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PatrickHenry · Jan 23, 2006, 11:21 pm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012306Y.shtml

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The Abramoff scandal has been described as the biggest Washington scandal ever: bigger than Watergate; bigger than Abscam; bigger than Koreagate; bigger than the House banking scandal; bigger than Teapot Dome. Possibly so. It's certainly serious and significant.
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Comparing the current scandal to the "big" one, the Abramoff types are petty thieves. The government deals in trillions of dollars; the Abramoffs in mere tens of millions. Take a look at the undeclared war we're bogged down in 6,000 miles from our shores. We've spent 300 billion dollars already, but Nobel prize winner Joseph Stiglitz argues that the war actually will cost between one and two trillion dollars when it's all over and done with. That's trillions, not billions. Even that figure is unpredictable, because we may be in Iraq another year or ten- who knows? Considering the war had nothing to do with our national security, we're talking big bucks being wasted and lining the pockets of many well-connected American corporations. Waste, fraud, stupidity, and no-bid contracts characterize the process. And it's all done in the name of patriotism and national security. Dissenters are accused of supporting the enemy. Now this is a rip-off that a little tinkering with House rules and restraints on lobbyists won't do much to solve.

This guy needs a platform for his views...

Milton Bradley · Jan 24, 2006, 07:01 am

Indeed he does.

You actually think this is bigger than the Savings, and Loan scandal? I'm nat talking dollar amounts, I'm talking scandal. (Ironicaly, the mention of the Savings, and Loan scandal might have prevented Bush from becoming President, had it been brought up by anybody in the press.)

Osborn F Enready · Jan 24, 2006, 10:08 am

I wish Ron would make an appeal to the public, from one of those faux news shows.

grandpa · Jan 24, 2006, 11:48 pm

I would definitely vote for Ron Paul if he ran for President.

Grandpa h.

Keith Hamburger · Jan 25, 2006, 12:03 am

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I would definitely vote for Ron Paul if he ran for President.

Grandpa h.

He did. Did you vote for him? I did.

Keith

grandpa · Jan 25, 2006, 12:09 am

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He did. Did you vote for him? I did.

Keith

When did he run?

Grandpa h.

Keith Hamburger · Jan 25, 2006, 12:34 am

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When did he run?

Grandpa h.

I will have to look it up. 1988 as I recall. Give me just a moment ...

http://www.self-gov.org/ronpaul.html

Yep. That was it.

Keith

SteveA · Jan 25, 2006, 01:10 am

I saw this article earlier on a different site. Gotta love the guy. Now if we still had more of his types around in the Republican party we wouldn't be seeing this political collapse in D.C. but you can't undo it. To me he represents a breed of heroic figures that we've slowly bred out of society. He a smart guy, a doctor and he's dropped out of politics before and come back - it's not a career for him.

Wouldn't you love to see politics take a back burner and become a part time thing in the U.S.? We could pay them to take extended vacations and not come to "work"!

Here's a capitalist solution to the federal government - have Americans pool $10 billion (that's ~$33/head) in contributions and pay Bush and Congress to take a couple years luxurious vacation on a tropical island ... or anywhere far away ...

grandpa · Jan 25, 2006, 02:09 am

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Here's a capitalist solution to the federal government - have Americans pool $10 billion (that's ~$33/head) in contributions and pay Bush and Congress to take a couple years luxurious vacation on a tropical island ... or anywhere far away ...

Ah, but if we pay for them once they'll end up coming back for more. That's what these people do. That's money and vacation time these people don't need. And then when they sap one generation out of its money they move onto the next.

Grandpa h.

Jeff · Jan 25, 2006, 08:58 am

That is an interesting idea, SteveA. There a local bank in a suburb of Fort Worth that has been trying that for several years. It has always been a family bank. The current owner likes to make people happy. He used to loan money to anyone that wanted it. The board decided to pay him a million dollars a year not to enter the bank. He looses $100,000 in salary each time he enters the bank.

Jan 24, 2006, 10:08 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I wish Ron would make an appeal to the public, from one of those faux news shows. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 25, 2006, 01:10 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
SteveA Anarcho-capitalist Posts: 1,972	I saw this article earlier on a different site. Gotta love the guy. Now if we still had more of his types around in the Republican party we wouldn't be seeing this political collapse in D.C. but you can't undo it. To me he represents a breed of heroic figures that we've slowly bred out of society. He a smart guy, a doctor and he's dropped out of politics before and come back - it's not a career for him. Wouldn't you love to see politics take a back burner and become a part time thing in the U.S.? We could pay them to take extended vacations and not come to "work"! Here's a capitalist solution to the federal government - have Americans pool $10 billion (that's ~$33/head) in contributions and pay Bush and Congress to take a couple years luxurious vacation on a tropical island ... or anywhere far away ... Freedom - are you man enough to handle it? If so, join us in New Hampshire! The Free State Project ("Liberty in our lifetime!") www.freestateproject.com Last edited by SteveA; Jan 25, 2006 at 01:19 am.

Jan 24, 2006, 07:01 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Indeed he does. You actually think this is bigger than the Savings, and Loan scandal? I'm nat talking dollar amounts, I'm talking scandal. (Ironicaly, the mention of the Savings, and Loan scandal might have prevented Bush from becoming President, had it been brought up by anybody in the press.)

Jan 24, 2006, 11:48 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
grandpa blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,626	I would definitely vote for Ron Paul if he ran for President. Grandpa h.

Jan 25, 2006, 08:58 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Jeff Molten Ash Location: Texas Posts: 101	That is an interesting idea, SteveA. There a local bank in a suburb of Fort Worth that has been trying that for several years. It has always been a family bank. The current owner likes to make people happy. He used to loan money to anyone that wanted it. The board decided to pay him a million dollars a year not to enter the bank. He looses $100,000 in salary each time he enters the bank.