The Abduction of Jill Carroll

[Apeman81]

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...147652,00.html

I was wondering why the story of Jill Caroll had not been brought up on volconvo earlier.

[RickSp]

Typical Ape. A strawman thread title - suggesting a position that no one takes. Perfect definition of a troll.

The story does say a lot about the complete failure of the US to provide the most rudimentary security, even in Baghdad, almost three years into the occupation. The most powerful nation in the world cannot even secure the seven mile highway to the airport or for that matter, protect a woman journalist.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Because she works for the "Christian Science Monitor" that's why. No one here reads such (well, a few of us do).

Remember, Volconvo isn't slanted left/anti-chritian/anti-Bush.

This lady is toast, figure tonight we'll see the video on the web... damn it.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp Typical Ape. A strawman thread title - suggesting a position that no one takes. Perfect definition of a troll. The story does say a lot about the complete failure of the US to provide the most rudimentary security, even in Baghdad, almost three years into the occupation. The most powerful nation in the world cannot even secure the seven mile highway to the airport or for that matter, protect a woman journalist.

The idea that the terrorists in Iraq that are struggling to impede that nation’s advance toward a free society are "Freedom Fighters" is not new to the volconvo boards.

The absurdity of the title highlights the absurdity of that position.

Sure. It's the U.S. fault, not the fault of the terrorists who took her, that she was captured.

Abductions of one sort or another occur in every nation. Perhaps it is your hope that here in the U.S. we increase our police presence to such numbers that would make any such crime an impossibility? Say 1 officer for every 3 people?

And not a word from you condemning the actions of the abductors? Interesting.

This women has been abducted, and not a single thread mentioning it. Why is that? Is the idea of terrorist threatening to murder a women so passé as to avoid notice here?

Maybe we’re waiting for the tape of her beheading before we take note. At least then we can blame the U.S. for her death.

[Mr.Vicchio]

apeman, come on, you know why she wasn't mentioned here. She is a reporter for a Christian website. The majority of posters here could care less about that. You know it, I know it, they know it. They just can't admit that's why they don't care.

I really fear she'll be dead before the day is out, and if you hadn't posted this thread, I doubt few here would even know about it, or even know her name.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Because she works for the "Christian Science Monitor" that's why. No one here reads such (well, a few of us do). Remember, Volconvo isn't slanted left/anti-chritian/anti-Bush. This lady is toast, figure tonight we'll see the video on the web... damn it.

I'm afraid you are likely to be correct, and this women will suffer and die at the hands of these murderous terrorist scum.

And it will continue to be a page 5, lower left corner story. It is sickening the scant mention this atrocity receives. You can be damn sure that if this woman was being held by a Christian or a Jew the story would be front page, banner headline.

[Apeman81]

http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...1147652,00.html

"When Jill Carroll, 28, a Baghdad-based freelancer for the Christian Science Monitor was kidnapped on Saturday, the tightly knit community of reporters in the Iraqi capital knew of the abduction within hours. But in an almost unprecedented move, media organizations in Baghdad— Arabic and English alike—kept a lid on the news in hopes that a media blackout would give negotiators and rescuers time to win her release."

I was wondering why the story of Jill Caroll had not been brought up on volconvo earlier. Perhaps it was the hope of the borad that further silence would "would give negotiators and rescuers time to win her release."

[Mr.Vicchio]

I heard about it on the radio the day it happened. 1200 WOAI San Antonio...

It's out there, I think Apeman, it's because few here care about some reporter from the "Christian Science Monitor" they see the word Christian, and move on. Who cares about them around here?

I hope they win her release, but I have a sinking fear we'll see her beheading video on certain websties very soon....

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yes, or if the reporter was from a big liberal paper/TV media it would be page one. But she works for a site that is religious, and the WRONG religion...

Sigh. I pray for her, and her family. Let's hope this ends up in a good way.

[thatoneguy00]

ok I will admit I am one that does not know the whole story, but did she go over ther? or did she live over there. I pray for her as well but I am not going over there unless I am in the military. That is asking for trouble being an american and christian over there right now at the time

[Apeman81]

Quote by: thatoneguy00 ok I will admit I am one that does not know the whole story, but did she go over ther? or did she live over there. I pray for her as well but I am not going over there unless I am in the military. That is asking for trouble being an american and christian over there right now at the time

I agree that to enter that area with her credentials is an act I would hesitate to take, even now that I am retired military. (Give me weapon of choice and platoon of old friends and thisng change)

But the silence of her abduction is deafening

[thatoneguy00]

Well I agree with ya about the silence, and ya know When the guy from pennsylvania got beheaded and the posted a video on the net. Someone sent it to me in an email that said watch this its funny. the email account that sent it to me is inactive I do not know who did this. But I get alot of jokes and comedy stuff in my email. and I got that video and thats when I really turned into a staunch person. I wanted to go over to iraq myself and take these peoples lifes. No one should ever have to endure that, Thats why I know this is not a war over religion because there is no religion in the world that says cut somebodys head off. That was the worst thing I had ever ever seen. But the military won't take me. I tried numerous times. They won't take me. And I bet I could have done just as good a job as anyone else.

[Clarence]

the Christian Science Monitor isn't pro-Bush or Iraqi invasion in the slightest. Have any of you even been reading their news? You do bring up a valid point about how some are protected and others...not. Perhaps that CSM journalist wasn't being 'objective' enough for the 'terrorists'. I know I'm out on a limb, but, I would go as far to say that this is a doing of our own gov't. :eek: Think about it. It's got you riled up and thirsty for blood, ain't it? At the same time that dissenting Christain journalist learns a lesson along with the others in the supposedly tight-knit group of journalists in Iraq.

[Mr.Vicchio]

The doing of the US Government? Why? To what point? Oh, to silence dissent... riiiiight.

I never said it was a "pro-Bush" site. I was making a commentary about some of the posters on Volconvo. "Christian" is all they need to see to ignore something.

[Matt W]

Mr V, whatever you may say about the posters on here now, I would remind you of those 'happy' days of Gorgo & Starboy?

As for me, I can't find anything about this woman as yet on the BBC - not even in the Americas section. Can find plenty of other hostage stories, though.

[thatoneguy00]

Hey matt, you ate my monkey LOL just kidding man hey I Found a site for you

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10779519

[Matt W]

Thanks...though I see Apeman81 has decided to post the same story yet again in Breaking News....how odd. :eek:

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Matt W Thanks...though I see Apeman81 has decided to post the same story yet again in Breaking News....how odd. :eek:

The last thread was moved to another area, and I felt this was indeed news. I have invented the title to the last post, and decided the reason it had been moved was that I had not followed the rule of using the original headline. So I created the new thread.

[Clarence]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio The doing of the US Government? Why? To what point? Oh, to silence dissent... riiiiight.

Here's some perspective on her views
http://www.jordantimes.com/sun/opinion/opinion1.htm

The kidnappers who abducted her could not have chosen a more wrong target. True, Jill is a US citizen. But she is also more critical of US policies towards the Middle East than many Arabs. Though as a reporter she always complies with the strictest requirements of objectivity and impartiality, Jill has been from day one opposed to the war, to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. More than just being sympathetic with average Iraqis under war and occupation, Jill is a true believer in Arab causes.

well, take this with a grain a salt and follow the trail of names. I agree with those that think that our gov't is fighting a war of terror. Fighting fire with fire is one way to look at it. Stooping to the enemy's level is another.

I never said it was a "pro-Bush" site.

true, I was just wanted to point out that she isn't pro-bush. I wouldn't say she is overtly anti either but if she felt compelled, she would write whatever she felt was 'right' and I don't mean right wing.

I was making a commentary about some of the posters on Volconvo. "Christian" is all they need to see to ignore something.

not me. On the other hand, many people assume Christian means pro-neocon agenda. I've read everything I can find that this woman wrote. She's good. God or no God. off topic

[Chris]

Well the CSM is not really a Christian media outlet (at least not that I know of) They put out good news. I only read them if they are on Google news. They are a major news outlet. I also think your stereotyping us at Volconvo as brushing off someone because of their being employed by the CSM is a bit daft.