Bush team gasses the masses.

[Technosoul]

As you know Saddam is on trial for gassing the Kruds during their civil war. Now the news is reporting that Bush is giving the green light to companies to release toxic gasses into the air without public knowledge about what they are about to breathe. Who knows how many people will die or become sickly due to the long term effects of such polution?

The point is - Bush is doing the same thing Saddam did only not getting busted for it.

Free speech becomes difficult when you must wear a gas mask.

What kind of an insane America are the Republicans trying to establish anyway?

[Boetie]

Bush Jr has never been a leader. He has been a yes man to his master. That is why he has to overcompensate by wearing a mcflight suit and waging a war on an innocent and helpless country. He is trying to hide the obvious which is he is a flaming butt kisser to special interests, a partisan hack, a boy with no leadership ability but boy does he know how to get down on his knees.

Bush Jr and Cheney should dress in drag, it will send the correct message which is they are submissive.

[Zeebadee]

Link please.

[Jimmy the Pro]

Quote by: Technosoul The point is - Bush is doing the same thing Saddam did only not getting busted for it.

Same basic idea, different motive.

Is Bush purposely trying to kill millions of Americans? I think that is a little hard to believe. An appeal to carelessness or ignorance might be a better motive.

Comparing Bush to Saddam, not a good idea.

Yes, they do share many qualities but honestly tell me their intentions are the same.

[Osborn F Enready]

Idlemaniac said:
Yes, they do share many qualities but honestly tell me their intentions are the same.

I say:
Yes, they are the same in intent.

Both want a supreme rulership, untouchable by the masses, or especially the minority whichever form it may take.

Both believe in strong leadership above and beyond what is limited by petty law.....

Both are willing to shrug off Constitutional entrapments, or limits on power, to achieve what is in their personal view, a "better" nation.

They are both extremists, both seperated from reality by a deafeningly blind ideology and basis of what reality actually is.

To me there is only ONE difference. Saddam wanted to rule for as long as possible to ensure his message was carried on. Bush has a large party of co-conspirators, so he is comfortable handing over power to other equally corrupt, narrow visioned morons at the end of his term, be they from the puppet "other party" or his "home party". Both major parties are hell bent on the same agenda anyway, so it is of no matter which one reigns for their short term periods.

[Protostar]

Quote by: Zeebadee Link please.

Wouldn't surprise me, but I agree with Zeebadee. Can I get a link to that?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Technosoul As you know Saddam is on trial for gassing the Kruds during their civil war. Now the news is reporting that Bush is giving the green light to companies to release toxic gasses into the air without public knowledge about what they are about to breathe. Who knows how many people will die or become sickly due to the long term effects of such polution? The point is - Bush is doing the same thing Saddam did only not getting busted for it. Free speech becomes difficult when you must wear a gas mask. What kind of an insane America are the Republicans trying to establish anyway?

My guess is that the link will be to a story, written from the histerical side, about a change to some EPA regulations concerning one industry or another.

It will assert that by allowing x ppm instead of y ppm of one thing or another, we are going to kill hundreds if not thousands of people. It won't be long until someone asserts it is being done so in order to adversely affect one or another ethnic, socio-political group at the behalf of another.

Which, of course, is the EXACT SAME THING as using chemical weapons on the citizenry. At least, it is if you believe it is.

[xyzer]

It's true we may have to go the the EPA for greater control of noxious gasses in this country.
The verbal flatulence from leftist anti war, anti Bush, protestors is reaching dangerous levels.
The damagogues from the so called 'party of the people' are making strong attempts to impede the war effort and slip us into greater danger...to lift the strongest barriers we have against illegal entry and terrorist attacks.

The war against terrorism is now having to be fought under peacetime rules. A strange mix of civil rights demands and restraints is being flung against attempts to fight terrorism with any and all means we can. War has become the province of lawyers and politicians the new experts on how to fight terrorists. Protecting our citizenry from attack is secondary to protecting them from unsurveilled calls with known enemy? Strange indeed is it not?

What madness is this? Those who work to protect us from evil are called evil and attacked?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Zeebadee Link please.

Just go to the news page created here at Volconvo and I believe you will find at least two news stories about the new standards that now allow American companies the liberty to polute the air with toxic emissions known to be unhealthy.

[Matt W]

Quote by: xyzer It's true we may have to go the the EPA for greater control of noxious gasses in this country. The verbal flatulence from leftist anti war, anti Bush, protestors is reaching dangerous levels. The damagogues from the so called 'party of the people' are making strong attempts to impede the war effort and slip us into greater danger...to lift the strongest barriers we have against illegal entry and terrorist attacks. The war against terrorism is now having to be fought under peacetime rules. A strange mix of civil rights demands and restraints is being flung against attempts to fight terrorism with any and all means we can. War has become the province of lawyers and politicians the new experts on how to fight terrorists. Protecting our citizenry from attack is secondary to protecting them from unsurveilled calls with known enemy? Strange indeed is it not? What madness is this? Those who work to protect us from evil are called evil and attacked?

Xyzer, stay on topic and debate the point at hand. Or don't post.

Do not respond to me within this thread. PM myself or Sean if you have any questions.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Omg, the air is going to kill us all. Run for the hills! It's the end of the WORLD!

Remember this is the SAME Bush that changed the mercury regulations by an infintesimal amount that now endangers every American!

What ever shall we do?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Omg, the air is going to kill us all. Run for the hills! It's the end of the WORLD! Remember this is the SAME Bush that changed the mercury regulations by an infintesimal amount that now endangers every American! What ever shall we do?

Your Chicken Little humor and making light of an important event does not really reduce nor does it solve the problem - the problem being mainly the Bush policy.

I doubt if Bush knows diddle about mercury or any of the other problematic chemicals he has set forth to undo regulations for. Nor do I fully comprehend his motives for taking such actions, or if he found another source of phoney data that he uses to justify his objectives.

It would seem somewhat self evident that polution is not a problem.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Technosoul It would seem somewhat self evident that polution is not a problem.

Uh, could you please explain the "self evident" part of that statement? Pollution isn't a problem here in this country? How is that "self evident"??

[Mr.Vicchio]

Bush Policy is evil, we know what the real issue is here. Bush approved a change, or his administration made a change, so since THEY did it, it's evil. It's obvious that is what really has some of you all up in arms.

You don't care about the what and the how, or even the hard science, just aht Bush made a change, and some people made a fuss about it. It's Bush, some people don't like it, it must be evil. Instead of making legitimate claims, a good link to both sides of the issue, the OP started out by trying to equate Bush to Saddam.

Hey Bush haters, don't you get it yet? Has it not SUNK in that no one, outside of your fringe, is buying the attempts to compare Bush to evil people? Did not the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections make it clear, NO ONE IS BELIEVING your lines?

You have a problem with the changes being made... okay great. It's a free country, you are welcome to say what you want about that. But instead of making a real case, with real information on why it's so bad, and if you really want to convince people you show why the administration MADE the changes.. you have to make ABSURD comparisions to try and get your point across.

There in should be the big clue, if you have to go to such extremes to make a point, that maybe your position is very weak. Very weak indeed.

I use the chicken little as a counter to the absurdity of the claimaint. As long as the Anti-Bush crowd can offer nothing but outlandish claims, then no one is going to take them seriously. Not that I mind, but it's funny to watch, and even funnier to point this out and watch them keep making the same mistakes.. over and over and over again.

[Osborn F Enready]

Vic, vic, vic ,vic....... You sure are colorful.

Watch the news headlines tomorrow.

70,000 plus signatures flooded Congress to open an impeachment investigation. Tomorrow the ball will start rolling when Conyers and 7 other Congress members make a call for the investigation to begin.

The majority????? lol

Bush may have won the elections, but that is only because it was dumb vs dumber, and the bi-partisan monopoly was "rollin' tough". As long as people believe they waste a vote for a non-major party, your little "majority" of dumb, or dumber will continue.

When a million people say a wrong thing..... it is still saying something wrong.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wow, impeachment...

It's not gonna happen, it's 70,000 people tha thave no clue how the system works.

70,000 out of 300,000,000... and the GOP is not going to impeach Bush based on what? less then 1% of the country making demands?

[Osborn F Enready]

No Vic, they will impeach on the laws he has broken, and the reason they will breach the subject is because 70,000 NON-usual activists demand so.

It is funny you bring up the ratio of percentage..... want to start a national mailing on opinion?

You act as if the 70,000 that mailed congress over two days, were the only ones in the nation to support the idea....... you would be laughingly mistaken.

Keep up the fight Vic! It is going to make it that much more enjoyable when the house of cards you are holding up falls in on itself.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Hey Osborn, the law WASN'T broken, that's the part you don't get.

You refuse to accept that. You refuse to see what really happened, you've bought into the lies. You're problem.

They were "spying" on people who had phone contact with known terrorist outside the USA. Damn the administration for that, ya know, keeping tabs on the bad guys.

Keep dreaming that Bush is going down because the NY Times swindled many of you into believeing thier hype. They had that story for OVER A YEAR why didn't they run it then?

You know why? $$. That's right, money, cash dollars. One of thier reporters was using that as a big center peice in his book...

But hey, if you want to believe them and not use your own head, go for it. This is why I don't join the Libertarian cause, to many extremist.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Wow, impeachment... It's not gonna happen, it's 70,000 people tha thave no clue how the system works. 70,000 out of 300,000,000... and the GOP is not going to impeach Bush based on what? less then 1% of the country making demands?

Well, V. , you seem to believe that that 50.7 percent of the votes that GWB got gives him some overwhelming majority. We on that 48.3 percent "fringe" would like to beg to differ.

Now, lets look at your 300,000,000 number. Is that "sort of" the number of people in the country? Yep. Does that number really mean anything when it comes to the question of how significant the number of signatures on a petition. Start off by reducing that 300 million to 216 million, voting age. Then we can reduce it a little more, 142 million registered voters. Now, it can get a little murkier. I have voted in every election I could vote in, nationally. I care pasionately about this issue. I did not sign the petition. I was not asked to sign the petition. Statictically speaking, that number is probably extremely significant. You don't know, apparently, that how the "system" works when it comes to abstacting the importance of an issue to the electorate from these type of responses.

[Zeebadee]

While it appears that the issue is one of requiring companies that release pollutants to use a "long" or a "short" form to report toxic release information I think there's more to it.

"The Bush administration in September announced it wanted to reduce the regulatory burden on companies by allowing some to use a short form when they report their pollution to the EPA’s Toxic Release Inventory.

Those changes would exempt companies from disclosing their toxic pollution on the long form if they claim to release fewer than 5,000 pounds of a specific chemical — the current limit is 500 pounds — or if they store it onsite but claim to release no amounts of the worst pollutants." (http://www.theunionleader.com/articl...5-c18af49a1d75)

But it appears that the short form doesn't include very much information about the types of toxic releases, or any details about them. From the same ink:

"EPA officials say communities will still know about the types of toxic releases, but not some of the details about how each chemical was managed or released."

It looks to me like bush wants to increase the limit of toxic releases by 10 times before any details or other information must be reported to the public.

I'm sure Mr. V can explain exactly how this is a good thing for our country.