Alito and CAP(Concerned Alumni for Princeton)

[tilefish]

Should the Senate committee subpoena the records of the Ultra conservative Princeton Alumni group?

I can't believe people are so indifferent about the confirmation hearings of a life time appointment to the Supreme court by a 55 year old judge? Particularly given the legal ramifications that this appointment could be.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Why?

Has he in his past hearings been questioned about it for other judicial nominations? Has he shown a propensity to play activist from the bench?

Or is that the word "conservative" crops up in the description you have the group that so bothers you?

I would like to bring to attention one each Ruth Bader Ginsberg, ACLU Lawyer, now supreme court justice... Enough said.

[Apeman81]

The Senate has an incredible ability to waste time and money. The time and effort to examine these records would be yet another opportunity to do so.

The New York Times has spent time and money just such an effort, to find that this lead is a dead end. Certainly, this one time association, during the senior year of his attendance at Princeton, certainly has no greater affect on one’s ability to hold high, governmental office than, say, active membership in the Klu Klux Klan.

This is a boondoggle to misrepresent Alito’s association with a group. His own testimony is that he joined the group in protest to the administrations movement toward removal of the ROTC from the campus. An abundance of evidence is available to demonstrate that Alito has had no record of discrimination.

What are they trying to prove? Nothing. They ARE trying to create a false appearance.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Why?

Maybe because it would mean the difference between Monarchy and Democracy in the long run

Has he shown a propensity to play activist from the bench?

Yes! And worse! He has shown that he would not recuse himself from sitting on a case that he promised he would, and that by sitting on and judging in favor of the corporate interests, he stood to gain financially. He is morally bankrupt. He should be executed, not promoted. (After a fair trial by a democratic jury, of course)

Or is that the word "conservative" crops up in the description you have the group that so bothers you?

Conservative would be OK. Neo-Con makes us cringe.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Mr V The Senate has an incredible ability to waste time and money. The time and effort to examine these records would be yet another opportunity to do so.

If he had not lied about CAP, then yes, it would be a waste of time. But when he put down only 2 references and one of them was a bigotted cause, he would remember that. He lied when he claimed that the society was one among many that he belonged to. He put that one down to impress the far reich wing fascist he was was warming up to. That women and blacks are 2nd class citizens and he was proud to be against them. Now he just cant recall that episode in 1985. Bullshit.

Investigate.

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[Apeman81]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Maybe because it would mean the difference between Monarchy and Democracy in the long run Yes! And worse! He has shown that he would not recuse himself from sitting on a case that he promised he would, and that by sitting on and judging in favor of the corporate interests, he stood to gain financially. He is morally bankrupt. He should be executed, not promoted. (After a fair trial by a democratic jury, of course) Conservative would be OK. Neo-Con makes us cringe.

You DO know that the case you refer to had Alito as one of a panel of Jurists, and that therefore Judge Alito did NOT have sole control of the decision?

You DO know that he stated he would be willing to recuse himself, then when asked, DID recuse himself?

You DO know that the case was then reheard and the next panel came to same conclusion as the panel of which Alito was a member?

Your having based your argument on partial and incorrect data suggests you may wish to rethink the issue.

[rcne]

Is anyone else watching the Hearing? They are beating the CAP association to death - whats the point? Now they are going back to records of 25 years ago to check for what?

I saw Teddy K's questioning and wished Alito could have somehow referenced Chapaquitic. I'd like to see Teddy's case reviewed as much as an Alumni organization.

Geez, I wish they would quit grandstanding.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Apeman81 You DO know that the case you refer to had Alito as one of a panel of Jurists, and that therefore Judge Alito did NOT have sole control of the decision?

True, it was a panel of 3 judges.

You DO know that he stated he would be willing to recuse himself, then when asked, DID recuse himself?

Doesnt matter. He lied when he said he would voluntarily recuse himself and then tried to pull a fast one. He got caught! He is a FRAUD.

You DO know that the case was then reheard and the next panel came to same conclusion as the panel of which Alito was a member?

Yes, and your point?
Is your point that they found another crooked judge to replace the first? Very impressive.

Your having based your argument on partial and incorrect data suggests you may wish to rethink the issue

What partial and incorrect data?
This? ........

Quote by: FORBES Link In 2002, Alito served on a three-judge panel of the 3rd Circuit that ruled unanimously in favor of Vanguard in a case involving the account of a deceased investor. The investor's widow sought a new review and Alito's disqualification, citing his substantial investments in the company. Alito wrote to the chief judge of the circuit that he did not believe he was required to withdraw from the case but would step aside voluntarily. The letter did not mention his promise to the Senate in 1990. The court reheard the case and came to the same conclusion.

Nothing I said is contrary to these facts

[gr8fuldaniel]

To Clarify:
A) In 1990 he said he would recuse himself from cases involving his own investments.

B) In 2002 he failed to recuse himself.

edit to add:
This makes him not only a liar, but a thief as well.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rcne They are beating the CAP association to death - whats the point?

Why are Alitos supporters trying to hide the Library of Congress records on CAP???
The Princeton group is unabashedly racially and sexually bigotted.

Do you think there is a place in the Supreme Court for a Klansman?
Why are you in favor of this cover-up?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Why are Alitos supporters trying to hide the Library of Congress records on CAP??? The Princeton group is unabashedly racially and sexually bigotted. Do you think there is a place in the Supreme Court for a Klansman? Why are you in favor of this cover-up?

Hide them? They are public record.

You DO know the New York Times has spent time and money to review them. And concluded no reasons exists for asserting the judge to have been involved in any way with the group’s activities beyond the Judges stated support for the protest of the movement to remove the ROTC from the campus.

For the congress to do so is wasteful, but go right ahead. It will not advance the weak "guilt by association" argument being made. Especially since Alito's "association" to CAP, a group to which he belonged for 1 year, the first year of the groups existence, compares to a person subscribing to a magazine.

Other than trying to imply negatives based upon this association, no evidence exists to suggest the judge has any discriminatory past, either in his decisions or personal practices. This is a rather poor attempt to taint the judge.

From my post #3 of this thread:
“The New York Times has spent time and money just such an effort, to find that this lead is a dead end. Certainly, this one time association, during the senior year of his attendance at Princeton, certainly has no greater affect on one’s ability to hold high, governmental office than, say, active membership in the Klu Klux Klan.”

Certainly you are capable of realizing that this statement is a conditional, comparative statement demonstrating that far more proven past associations with groups who hold believes not shared by the American people have managed to attain high office.

I have my doubts as to you ability to reasonably discuss Judge Alito as by you own words in post #4, you believe that “He should be executed, not promoted.”

You should truly free your mind.

[tilefish]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Why? Has he in his past hearings been questioned about it for other judicial nominations? Has he shown a propensity to play activist from the bench? Or is that the word "conservative" crops up in the description you have the group that so bothers you? I would like to bring to attention one each Ruth Bader Ginsberg, ACLU Lawyer, now supreme court justice... Enough said.

Governor I merely asked a question I take umbrage to your assertion that anything bothers me. Actually he seems like a very decent man who may have made a mistake by joining this radical group. The subpoenaed records should clear him.

[tilefish]

Quote by: Apeman81 The Senate has an incredible ability to waste time and money. The time and effort to examine these records would be yet another opportunity to do so. The New York Times has spent time and money just such an effort, to find that this lead is a dead end. Certainly, this one time association, during the senior year of his attendance at Princeton, certainly has no greater affect on one’s ability to hold high, governmental office than, say, active membership in the Klu Klux Klan. This is a boondoggle to misrepresent Alito’s association with a group. His own testimony is that he joined the group in protest to the administrations movement toward removal of the ROTC from the campus. An abundance of evidence is available to demonstrate that Alito has had no record of discrimination. What are they trying to prove? Nothing. They ARE trying to create a false appearance.

Ape my friend I think you may have gotten confused with the time line the same as I did. He joined CAP in 1985 when he was 35 years old. Not his senior year at Princeton. He sited his obvioulsly smoldering resentment about the ROTC program being kicked off campus when he was an undergrad as his "possible reason" for joining. Oddly however the ROTC program was reinstated in the early eighties which gives questionable credibility to Alito's reason for joining the Facist group.

[tilefish]

Hell as long as I am going to be criticised I'll give you a good one. How come with the exception of Orin Hatch and Arlen Specter the rest of GOP members of the committee sound like they have straw stuck between there teeth when they talk. It sounds like they have been taking diction lessons in Crawford, Texas.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Apeman81 Hide them? They are public record.

Nope. Arlin Specter made a big deal about subpoenas for the Rush records. They were saying how embarrassing it would be if the records were released after the death of Rush, and the records show Alito to be a bigot. (paraphrase)

You DO know the New York Times has spent time and money to review them. And concluded no reasons exists for asserting the judge to have been involved in any way with the group’s activities beyond the Judges stated support for the protest of the movement to remove the ROTC from the campus.

No, I do not know how much of the record the NYT has seen. Neither do you. Besides, what does it matter what NY Times has reported? We all know they are whores of this admin.

You DO KNOW that the New York Times will not release news if it is not favorable to the current administration?

W would not even be president if his domestic spying were exposed before the election. We shouldnt even be having this discussion.

[Scribbler1]

I don't know about this CAP outfit so I can't comment on it. However, I always find it a little suspicious when somebody is faced with an association from their past and develop instant amnesia. I'm only three years younder than that guy and I have a lousy memory, but I recall EVERY group I have ever been associated with, as well as every job I ever had. If it's that forgettable it doesn't seem worth joining I would think.

And I wonder if any of these people have a hard time remembering when they were in the Boy Scouts or other outfit that can't be politically embarrassing. Personally, I'd feel better if Alito said, "Yeah, I was in CAP, what of it?"

[gr8fuldaniel]

Alitos wife leaves the room in tears......

[tilefish]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Alitos wife leaves the room in tears......

Alito's wife was doing fine until the old JAG lawyer Lindsay Graham started yanking on her heart strings raining apologies about the mean Liberals who were just doing there job. Thats right I said doing there job! Think about it if we don't get the answer to his true association or lack of from this obviously racist group then we leave ourselves open to a potentially even bigger embarrassment and humiliation.

[tilefish]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I don't know about this CAP outfit so I can't comment on it. However, I always find it a little suspicious when somebody is faced with an association from their past and develop instant amnesia. I'm only three years younder than that guy and I have a lousy memory, but I recall EVERY group I have ever been associated with, as well as every job I ever had. If it's that forgettable it doesn't seem worth joining I would think. And I wonder if any of these people have a hard time remembering when they were in the Boy Scouts or other outfit that can't be politically embarrassing. Personally, I'd feel better if Alito said, "Yeah, I was in CAP, what of it?"

THere is no question he was a member of CAP he wrote that in an application for employment with AG Ed Meese during Reagans administration. At that time it seemed like he was proud of being a member. I am with you I certainly can remember every group that I was associated from my college and certainly the alumni groups since. I have to conclude that Judge Alito is probably lying when he says he doesn't even remember being a part of this group. Sorry but this is a supreme court position we are talking about there is no way he should be considered. He should be removed from consideration immediately and give Mrs. Alito a hankerchief please!

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tilefish THere is no question he was a member of CAP he wrote that in an application for employment with AG Ed Meese during Reagans administration. At that time it seemed like he was proud of being a member. I am with you I certainly can remember every group that I was associated from my college and certainly the alumni groups since. I have to conclude that Judge Alito is probably lying when he says he doesn't even remember being a part of this group. Sorry but this is a supreme court position we are talking about there is no way he should be considered. He should be removed from consideration immediately and give Mrs. Alito a hankerchief please!

If memory serves, Alito's non-answer to that was something like, "well I don't remember being in that group but if you say so I guess I was.", which sounds like "If I could lie about this I would but you have me so I'll almost admit it."

To me, the membership isn't that big a deal. The convenient memory lapse is what bothers me.