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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | DOJ opinion on the 2nd Amendment http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm Quote:
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,770 | Yeah, well, the 4th amendment is even more clear, yet the current administration seems to have negated it quite effectively. A large percentage of the citizenry doesn't even seem to mind, they're actually eager to give it up, having been told it's for our "security". How negating the Bill of Rights contributes to our security escapes me completely, yet some citizens have bought into this ruse hook, line, and sinker. The foundations for the 2nd's demise have already been laid - a citizen may be armed, they don't have a uniform, they aren't a member of an organized military unit, they object to the agenda of whatever political party may in power; QED, they must be an "enemy combatant". "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen |
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | Zeebadee, ya know Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush used said powers that you accuse Bush of using to destroy the Bill of Rights. If you are going to inanely pratter off topic, at least put your complaints in perspective. I know you are all upset that Terrorist overseas calling people in America are getting tagged for eavesdropping, and that hurts you. Because it shows despite the million threads posts, movies and news articles to the Contrary Bush is doing his job and trying to keep another 9/11 from happening. The 2nd Amendment has always been clear. I find it interesting that the more people try to change the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, try to creat "Gun free" cities and countries, they are finding it just doesn't work. Washington D.C., the UK and Australlia are all prime examples of how disarming the public only enables the criminal element. The founding fathers were intelligent enough to realize that an armed popluace is prey for the criminal element, be it thieves or unjust government. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
Keith | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,770 | Quote:
"Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen | |
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| Anarcho-capitalist Posts: 1,972 | I think the right to vote ultimately stems from the 2nd Amendment (or at least the rationale behind it). Why don't we let dogs and cats vote in elections? Because listening to their views is optional. They can't defend themselves and so paying attention to their interests is seen as optional by most people. I'm not saying there isn't a better way of doing things but when you dig down far enough, all rights stem from an ability to defend them in some fashion. Every animal has some form of defense or protection, including humans. It's great when we can agree to terms that don't require using any of them though and this usually benefits everyone. Freedom - are you man enough to handle it? If so, join us in New Hampshire! The Free State Project ("Liberty in our lifetime!") www.freestateproject.com |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
If gun ownership was widespread under Saddam, it hardly seems sufficient to provide the often claimed Jeffersonian bulwark against tyranny. All things considered I worry more about the assault on the First Amendment rights of free speech and assembly, the Fourth Amendment rights to be "to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures" and the Six Amendment right to a fair and speedy trial than I worry about the Second Amendment. If our only choice is to pick up a gun, we have already lost. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
The real key, in my opinion, is hte division of the people. In the Soviet Union and Sadaam's Iraq the people were divided until they wouldn't cooperate or trust one another. This meant that they wouldn't work together to fight oppression. Look at our country today, how the two major political parties are working to seperate the people, to divide us. It's always about how the minorities are mistreated or how this group is taking advantage. This is what weakens the second amendment. Not the strength of the government but our willingness to let them seperate us so we don't provide a unified threat. Keith | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,770 | Quote:
"Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen | |
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![]() Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,294 | Quote:
Consult link Delusion- A persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. (i.e. religion) Shared | |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | One of the smaller items that annoyed me about the Badnarick campaign is that Mike kept claiming a direct link between gun control and violent crime. It doesn't exist. The issues are far more complicated than merely access to guns. Houston has effectively no gun control and has roughly twice as many murders per capita than New York City for example, which has relatively strict gun control. Crime over all is twice as high in Houston as New York. Can this be explained by gun control? Of course, not. Simplistic statements that either gun ownership or gun control lowers crime invariably miss the point. Societial interaction and crime are way too complex to be explained by pat single variable causes. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,456 | Quote:
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay | |
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | Isbenski, every president since CARTER has used those same powers in limited cases where the warrent system was too slow to react to a mobile threat. While going around the law Bush informed Congress, had oversight, and the program is on a 45 day rotating review system. There is a very real threat against this country, and the law allows the president certain leeway in the areana of foriegn intelligence. But don't let reality bite your trumped up fears, you might have to accept Bush isn't doing anything wrong. I know it's hard to accept for some, but that's life. Oh and Chris, you can try to call the rise in crime in the UK, D.C. and Australia a "myth" after guns were banned, but we all know it's just wishful thinking on the anti-gun lobbies part. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,770 | Quote:
"Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen | |
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| Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,456 | Quote:
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay | |
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,227 | Quote:
Do you think that when Bush Jr took oath to office to uphold the United States Constitution it included making a monkey out of the third branch of our government? How embarrassing it must be for the third branch of our government to be clowned by Bush Jr. Let's see how Junior clowns the third branch of government. Junior has no probable cause to get a warrant. Junior wiretaps illegally and then goes to the court with the illegally obtained information claiming probable cause. There is no one to contest the legality of this probable cause because of this the court has no choice but grant the warrant. The court just got clowned. Bush Jr violated his oath. Impeach Bush Jr, he cannot be trusted. | |
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