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Old Nov 16, 2005, 12:53 am   #21 (permalink) (top)
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The immigrant communities face poverty, unemployment and discrimination. Most of the rioters appear to be French born children of African and Arab immigrants with few prospects and little real future. The riots are not about Islam but jobs, opportunities and police harrassment. Like all rioting it is unjustified and probably self defeating but it is a wake up call for France as a whole.

Of course the Muslim bashers of the Washington Times will blame Islamic radicalism, even when it doesn't exist. So, what else is new?

A more nuanced perspective from the Washington Post:

Rage of French Youth Is a Fight for Recognition
Spreading Rampage in Country's Slums Is Rooted in Alienation and Abiding Government Neglect
Where have they come from and why Rick?

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 12:55 am   #22 (permalink) (top)
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they are also a poor underserved minority. I think this has alot more to do with it because if they were good muslims they would listen to the fatwas against the riots
But why are they poor, give us the real reason, please!

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:03 am   #23 (permalink) (top)
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You just made 7 posts in a row. I think that's a new record.

Since you're apparently an American, let me ask you a question.

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Synner, tell us, why are these Africans there in France. What about their homeland? Why have they left it.? Is it so bad there, they cannot live there? Why synner? Is it true their homeland is living hell, how come synner?
Zealot, tell us, why did your ancestors come to America? What about your homeland? Why did they leave it? Why Zealot? Is it true your homeland was living hell, how come Zealot?
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:09 am   #24 (permalink) (top)
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I've been reading where their religion and culture have had EVERYTHING to do with this.
The Muslims have made everyone else move out of those neighborhoods and would prefer a millet system of government within the government of France and elsewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_...oman_Empire%29

So much for the religion of peace train.
They want a Muslim state within the countries they reside.
Above is a link to the Millet concept of government for you.
Thank you GBA, good job!
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:10 am   #25 (permalink) (top)
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Funny, there are thousands of people who want a Christian state here. Somehow, I don't picture you bitching.
But Son, you haven't seen a Christian riot with all the scorched earth, have you? Are you a bit prejudiced against Christians sir?

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:12 am   #26 (permalink) (top)
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The major difference being that the christians here aren't satisfied with a region, they want the whole place to themselves. Other than that, I'd say the circumstances appear the same, like you say.

Ish, do you have any links to cover that proclamation? Remember the Zealot?

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:15 am   #27 (permalink) (top)
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How dare they fire at our GIs to defend their homeland against unwanted invaders. Those dirty sandniggers.
Did you use the "N" word Son, isn't that against the rules? Pat will get you friend.

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:31 am   #28 (permalink) (top)
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You just made 7 posts in a row. I think that's a new record.

Since you're apparently an American, let me ask you a question.



Zealot, tell us, why did your ancestors come to America? What about your homeland? Why did they leave it? Why Zealot? Is it true your homeland was living hell, how come Zealot?
Sure Son, I made seven in a row because there were seven replies to my thread that demanded my attention. Can't you post such an interesting thread and have the need for lots of attention?

That is an excellent question about my German grandfather Son. He came over here around WW1 time and you betcha, it was hell over there. He proudly became an American citizen and then proceeded working and raising his family. He taught my dad and my dad taught me to work hard and be a good American. Also they both taught me how to be a good Christian. We helped make America a wonderful place. We didn't ask the government what they could do for us, we asked, what can we do for thee. No riots, no crime, we earned our way. Isn't that the right way Son?

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:41 am   #29 (permalink) (top)
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But Son, you haven't seen a Christian riot with all the scorched earth, have you?
Zealot, yes, I have. When they put on white robes and burned down a church killing several children in the fire. Were you there?
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:46 am   #30 (permalink) (top)
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Sure Son, I made seven in a row because there were seven replies to my thread that demanded my attention. Can't you post such an interesting thread and have the need for lots of attention?
That's why you answer them all in the same post, or edit the old post. What you're doing is considered spamming and very bad etiquette. I'll double post sometimes, but god, seven times is ridiculous.

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That is an excellent question about my German grandfather Son. He came over here around WW1 time and you betcha, it was hell over there. He proudly became an American citizen and then proceeded working and raising his family. He taught my dad and my dad taught me to work hard and be a good American. Also they both taught me how to be a good Christian. We helped make America a wonderful place. We didn't ask the government what they could do for us, we asked, what can we do for thee. No riots, no crime, we earned our way. Isn't that the right way Son?
That's not the point. You were inferring they were inferior because their old country was so bad. Well, your country killed millions of men, women and children, did experiments on them, worked them to death in camps, gassed them and burned them.

Don't get me wrong, I love Germany and have been trying to learn German. But you're being a hypocrite.
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 01:46 am   #31 (permalink) (top)
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That is an excellent question about my German grandfather Son. He came over here around WW1 time and you betcha, it was hell over there. He proudly became an American citizen and then proceeded working and raising his family. He taught my dad and my dad taught me to work hard and be a good American. Also they both taught me how to be a good Christian. We helped make America a wonderful place. We didn't ask the government what they could do for us, we asked, what can we do for thee. No riots, no crime, we earned our way. Isn't that the right way Son?

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Sounds exactly like my family. We're two different people. In two generations, it will sound like the story of a Muslim family that moved here to escape the Hell over there. You have good point when you say that America is wonderful. I think it takes all kinds to make life good.
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:01 am   #32 (permalink) (top)
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Zealot, yes, I have. When they put on white robes and burned down a church killing several children in the fire. Were you there?
Were they Christians?
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:05 am   #33 (permalink) (top)
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Awwwww! The Poor little muslem kids! They were "excluded from French society"! Well, that excuses them completely. This "protest" is sure to endear them to french society.
Naturally, when questioned, the kids don't identify themselves as French, and have no intention to mainstream into french society, and identify themselves as muslem.
Bury your head in the sand, if you wish.
A sarcastic message, but there's a lot of truth in it. When you emigrate to a new country and society, the onus is on you to integrate. If you keep to yourself and persist in your old foreign ways, it's no wonder your new society has not 'accepted' you. And even if, for this reason, you are not 'accepted', it doesn't give you any reason to riot and break the laws of the country you chose to live in.
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:09 am   #34 (permalink) (top)
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Um... yes. Yes they were.

GOD, race, and nation my shizzle:


Note their symbol is a CROSS with drop of CHRIST'S blood in the center.



Note "AMERICA FIRST" and "STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER." I think Zealot is in there somewhere.



Hail the cross...



Aw, isn't that sweet?
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:11 am   #35 (permalink) (top)
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That's why you answer them all in the same post, or edit the old post. What you're doing is considered spamming and very bad etiquette. I'll double post sometimes, but god, seven times is ridiculous.



That's not the point. You were inferring they were inferior because their old country was so bad. Well, your country killed millions of men, women and children, did experiments on them, worked them to death in camps, gassed them and burned them.

Don't get me wrong, I love Germany and have been trying to learn German. But you're being a hypocrite.

I do not how to bunch up all those question on one post. Why does it bother you? Are you jealous or just plain cruel?

My sister, brothers and relatives fought against the Germans, so your slanderous accusation that we are hypocrites reveals some real problems.

You missed the point Son in your haste to belittle. When my relatives came here to America they did not burn it, they helped build it. Gosh guy, you could think better if you got over that prejudice!

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:12 am   #36 (permalink) (top)
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I do not how to bunch up all those question on one post. Why does it bother you? Are you jealous or just plain cruel?

My sister, brothers and relatives fought against the Germans, so your slanderous accusation that we are hypocrites reveals some real problems.

You missed the point Son in your haste to belittle. When my relatives came here to America they did not burn it, they helped build it. Gosh guy, you could think better if you got over that prejudice!

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What prejudice? I said I liked Germany. Way to take comments out of context. AGAIN. I didn't call your ancestors hypocrites, I called YOU a hypocrite.
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:16 am   #37 (permalink) (top)
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Oh, here's something DTwhateverhis name is. It's a little something I like to call, "On fire for God"

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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:21 am   #38 (permalink) (top)
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Zealot,

Algier was once a colony of France. France at one time had a labor shortage and because of this many of the people of French colonies immigrated to France to do the work.

After about four generations the young in the ghetto began to put 2 plus 2 together and realized there is no upward mobility no matter what they did. Chirac said, "we need a dialogue." That dialogue never happened. The youth in the ghetto got the message which is they(ghetto youth) are not worth talking to.

The French elite have been doing some pretty good smack talk about the people in the ghetto. The youth in the ghetto smacked talked back. Then bammmm a riot.

Nothing to do with Muslim. Hate to pop your bubble Zealot, but the problem goes wayyyy beyond ones religion orientation. The problem is a result of years of France's inaction with the ghetto problem.
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:27 am   #39 (permalink) (top)
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What prejudice? I said I liked Germany. Way to take comments out of context. AGAIN. I didn't call your ancestors hypocrites, I called YOU a hypocrite.

Your prejudice does not allow you to read carefully, "WE" means all of us, and we did not burn, we worked. Nothing out of context, just brain out of gear. Do you know the difference between the words work and burn?

Zealot, looks like you're spamming now too, huh?
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Old Nov 16, 2005, 02:32 am   #40 (permalink) (top)
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Wow, and Zealot STILL doesn't take my words in context OR address the fact that he's being a hypocrite.

BIG SURPRISE

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