Did the US Use Chemical Arms in Iraq?/Torture

[grandpa]

Did the US Use Chemical Arms in Iraq?:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1108/d...e.html?s=mesdu
"RAI, the all news state-run satellite channel in Italy, aired a documentary Tuesday that accused the United States of using chemical weapons against the civilian population during a November 2004 bombardment of Fallujah. AKI, the Italian news agency, reports that the documentary, entitled "Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre" and aired on the first aniversary of the assault on insurgents in Fallujah, includes interviews with former US soldiers and with residents of Fallujah who say that during the assault on the city the US military used the chemical white phosphorus."

[Yet another possible (if not probable) example of blatant US hypocrisy. Not only did we orignally sell Saddam chemical weapons, but we used DU weapons and now may have used phosphorus.
We have always been at the peak of Mount Hypocrite when it comes to Iraq, but when will we come down from there?]

Cheney Wants Free Rein for Prison Interrogators:
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...9/ixworld.html
"Dick Cheney, the US vice-president, is fighting a rearguard action to stop Congress imposing more humane rules on interrogating prisoners."

[This snarl-faced sadist seems like an unpopular Bond villain. ]

Report Warned on CIA's Tactics in Interrogation:
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news5/nyt30.htm
"WASHINGTON, Nov. 8 - A classified report issued last year by the Central Intelligence Agency's inspector general warned that interrogation procedures approved by the C.I.A. after the Sept. 11 attacks might violate some provisions of the international Convention Against Torture, current and former intelligence officials say."

Grandpa h.

[RickSp]

If proven true, the use of chemical weapons by the US in a war justified by false claims about Saddam's chemical and biological weapons would be hypocrisy on a truly breathtaking scale.

[PatrickHenry]

While I believe that some in the US chain of command would find a means of justitfying it, I don't think the US would be able to suppress the evidence of chemical warfare. Too many soldiers have a conscience...

[brien]

Quote by: grandpa Did the US Use Chemical Arms in Iraq?: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1108/d...e.html?s=mesdu "RAI, the all news state-run satellite channel in Italy, aired a documentary Tuesday that accused the United States of using chemical weapons against the civilian population during a November 2004 bombardment of Fallujah. AKI, the Italian news agency, reports that the documentary, entitled "Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre" and aired on the first aniversary of the assault on insurgents in Fallujah, includes interviews with former US soldiers and with residents of Fallujah who say that during the assault on the city the US military used the chemical white phosphorus." [Yet another possible (if not probable) example of blatant US hypocrisy. Not only did we orignally sell Saddam chemical weapons, but we used DU weapons and now may have used phosphorus. We have always been at the peak of Mount Hypocrite when it comes to Iraq, but when will we come down from there?] Cheney Wants Free Rein for Prison Interrogators: http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht...9/ixworld.html "Dick Cheney, the US vice-president, is fighting a rearguard action to stop Congress imposing more humane rules on interrogating prisoners." [This snarl-faced sadist seems like an unpopular Bond villain. ] Report Warned on CIA's Tactics in Interrogation: http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news5/nyt30.htm "WASHINGTON, Nov. 8 - A classified report issued last year by the Central Intelligence Agency's inspector general warned that interrogation procedures approved by the C.I.A. after the Sept. 11 attacks might violate some provisions of the international Convention Against Torture, current and former intelligence officials say." Grandpa h.

I can't speak to chemical weapons, but I have it straight from a soldier who was in Iraq that he used weapons that were certainly NOT conventional. This is all I will say about it.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: brien This is all I will say about it.

Why do you refuse to say more?

[grandpa]

Quote by: RickSp If proven true, the use of chemical weapons by the US in a war justified by false claims about Saddam's chemical and biological weapons would be hypocrisy on a truly breathtaking scale.

We were already that hypocritical when we supported (funded, armed, etc) Saddam through his worst atrocities.
There are now plenty reasons to believe Iraq's weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed in the early 1990s.
There was little to no REAL evidence to support Bush or Blair's
claims that Iraq had or was preparing to use chemical or biological weapons.
But both leaders suffer from delusions of "breathtaking scale."

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: brien I can't speak to chemical weapons, but I have it straight from a soldier who was in Iraq that he used weapons that were certainly NOT conventional. This is all I will say about it.

As PatrickHenry says: please say more.

Grandpa h.

[RickSp]

After initially denying it the US did admit to using napalm, well not exactly napalm, a slightly reformulated version of napalm, in Iraq. The UN banned the use of the napalm in 1980. The US did not sign the convention and is the only nation still using napalm.

[grandpa]

Quote by: RickSp After initially denying it the US did admit to using napalm, well not exactly napalm, a slightly reformulated version of napalm, in Iraq. The UN banned the use of the napalm in 1980. The US did not sign the convention and is the only nation still using napalm.

Another genius thing people sometimes do is call what we've done in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq "police actions." That way, if you suggest the American military should not use napalm, they can always make you out to be against law and order (or due process, or whatever).
If you oppose the killing of the innocent along with the guilty, they can always say you are against such "humanitarian gestures."

Grandpa h.