Vermont talks secession

[Son of Belial]

The neo-conservatives running Washington, trampling on civil rights at home and invading countries overseas, have left a group of Vermont freedom fighters with no choice but to secede from the United States.

On Oct. 28, at the state capitol building in Montpelier, a historic independence convention was held, the first of its kind in the United States since May 20, 1861, when North Carolina decided to leave the Union.

More than 400 people gathered in the Vermont statehouse to start the daylong secession convention with a speech by keynote James Howard Kunstler, author of The Long Emergency, and ended with a resolution passed to secede from the United States.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...secession.html

[Jack]

This administration has managed to alienate more citizens across the country than nearly any before. Bush is definitely not going to be remembered as a unifier. Sad; with our current crises, we could use a lot of unification.

[CoffeeSaint]

I am so enamored of this idea, I can't even type; the Federal Government needs to recognize that we are not all one giant ball of goo, that they can slap about as they please.

But I've been to Vermont, and I'll tell ya, this:

He added: “Poland did get its freedom, mainly because it was a country liked around the world, sort of like how people in America feel about Vermont. When people think of Vermont, they have a warm and fuzzy feeling, an image of black and white Holstein cows and beautiful scenery.

is crap. I think of Vermont, I think of snow. And ice. And cold. And maple sugar so overpowering it's like eating crack. (Or so I would imagine, never having tucked into a crack taco). That sugar is some powerful stuff, though.

[Son of Belial]

Yeah, on another forum where I posted this someone was like "WTF? I never even think about Vermont except when I watch Bob Newhart."

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Isherwood This administration has managed to alienate more citizens across the country than nearly any before. Bush is definitely not going to be remembered as a unifier. Sad; with our current crises, we could use a lot of unification.

You didn't read the whole article.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Son of Belial http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...secession.html

I followed that link.
What about new passports :-)))))

This could only happen in Vermont where people are still fiercely independent and fed up with the course the American government is taking,” said Thomas Naylor, head of the group. “We have a lot going for us and if you think about it, we have a lot in common with Poland’s Solidarity movement, which many said would never succeed.” He added: “Poland did get its freedom, mainly because it was a country liked around the world, sort of like how people in America feel about Vermont.

Thomas Naylor has a hazy view on history of Europe, not to mention Poland and/or "Solidarity", while the biggest U.S. Labor Union (AFL-CIO) is just a "kiddo", in comparison to Polish counterpartner "Solidarity", starting from that Labor Union's statutes.
Former Premier of Japan (Tanaka, I believe) expressed his thoughts on Polish Labor Union - "Solidarity" in a following way :
- such Labor Union (read : "Solidarity") would have bever been allowed to exist in Japan (not quotted).
Try to figure out the political and social power "Solidarity" was in a possession of, that even AFL-CIO can only dream about.

Naylor should get in touch with the nearest psychiatric facility, and enroll as a patient, instead. It may improve his mental condition, at least. I wish him luck :-)))

[Osborn F Enready]

I followed the link, I read it, and all I can say is GO GO GO!!!!

We need more states to follow this lead. IT is the people DEMANDING smaller, more controllable government, minus the bureaucracy!

It only took 160 years, the regulation of every right enumerated in the Constitution, the perversion of the entire nations banking system, total change in corporate rules and rights, to set them off.......

What the hell.... better late than never I suppose. The only difference between this and the Free State Project are the fact the that the FSP doesn't want to seceed......YET. If Vermont does this, I am sure other states will follow suit in many ways, even if not as extreme.

Suddenly, I have a new affinity for Vermont.

If their secession is threatened by military means NOT to seceed, I will be travelling to Vermont to fight for their independence.

[tinybear]

OK, let's hold a referendum in Vermont and see how many REALLY want to secede.

[Milton Bradley]

Now when I think of Vermont I will feel all warm, and fuzzy.


I also think this is exactly the type of behavior that is long overdue. The Feds have been trampling over me my entire life, and I am in total support of the movement to throw off the Federal regulation of everything under the Sun. This seems the perfect place to start.

[rcne]

Could we trade Vermont with Canada for the province of Ontario? Maybe we can sweeten the pot and throw in Mass.

Must remember to toss the smiley's in less people take my suggestion seriously, or should they. smiley again.

[Sonart]

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Yeah, and Hawaii has a national independence movement and Northern California has a movement to secede from southern California. Neither is given any more of the "snowball’s chance in hell” than the Vermont movement. But this does make for jolly threadbait.

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[Rainbow]

Quote by: rcne Could we trade Vermont with Canada for the province of Ontario?

Not a bad deal.
I think it would bring us a good hockey team in return, at least :-)))

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint And maple sugar so overpowering it's like eating crack. (Or so I would imagine, never having tucked into a crack taco).

LOL!

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Sonart . Yeah, and Hawaii has a national independence movement and Northern California has a movement to secede from southern California. Neither is given any more of the "snowball’s chance in hell” than the Vermont movement. But this does make for jolly threadbait. .

Or, you'd like to think so.

[SteveA]

I wish them luck. Having a state or two seceed, I think, would discourage a lot of bad federal legislation - there's little reason why the federal government currently feels it has to keep itself in check ... though if it realized states weren't simply captive subjects, that might change the perspective of future federal proposals.

There's little of anything protecting individual states from being abused by others except the Supreme Court, and if that protection isn't forthcoming, it's probably better to just go it alone.

Quote by: tinybear OK, let's hold a referendum in Vermont and see how many REALLY want to secede.

I believe 4 towns in Vermont have already voted to seceed from Vermont itself. This is over the socialized system of government there that has made them into 'donors' of the current system. They wanted to become part of New Hampshire :)

One of the towns was Killington, a ski resort, but there were at least 3 other towns that held similar votes and wanted to become part of New Hampshire because the taxes in New Hampshire were a lot lower than in Vermont. But that's not really the same thing as state secession.

[Sonart]

Quote by: tman Or, you'd like to think so.

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath. :rolleyes:

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[bishop]

shit.. i'd love to flush a whole bunch of the po-dunk states right down the toilet.. useless states like alabama, tennessee, kentucky.. personally, i'd like to see the entire northeast seceed and become it's own country.

*northeastern arrogance...*




vermont's supposed to have good cheese and skiing too, although i wouldn't know.. the state has always been of an independent mindset, but don't mistake that for being some sort of wild west, live free or die, kind of state. dean was reelected as governor many times there.

[CoffeeSaint]

Actually, there's quite a good argument for Northern Cal seceding from Southern Cal; it has to do with the fact that the state's population are in the southern half, but the resources are mostly in the northern half, and the SoCal folk leech off NorCal -- or so I was told in college in San Jose, in NorCal . . . Sonart and Isherwood are the ones to ask, of course.
There's also an argument for Cali seceding, since it could be a self-sufficient nation with everything but drinking water, and the state has the 6th largest economy in the world -- after the 5 largest national economies, that is. But the question becomes: why would the Federal Gov. allow a state to secede? Do they respect the Constitution enough to really allow the state its rights? Or would they put up some legal challenge, through interstate commerce regulation, let's imagine, and try to use SCOTUS to block any secession? Look at the 2000 election, and I think you have the answer.

Do we hate this government enough -- and are we hopeless enough -- to go through another Civil War?

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Sonart Forgive me if I don't hold my breath. :rolleyes: .

My point was simply that you wouldn't consider any facts or polls even if they were right in front of you.

You just hope that Vermont doesn't suceed because you want a strong central government.

[PatC]

After living in VT for 3 months, i would'nt miss it. I just hope their economy shits the bed and i can go skiing here for $5. Obviously it isnt a serious movement, just old hippies pointing out that they live in one of the most liberal states apart of a country run by conservative. I have heard that Samuel untington has a book out about (or part of it is about) the southwest succeeding and becoming part of Mexico? Has anyone read this at all, sounds crazy but yet seems kind of interesting.