State of Emergency Declared in France, etc.

[grandpa]

[The world stays stupid.]

State of Emergency Declared in France:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Internatio...ory?id=1291618
"PARIS Nov 8, 2005 — President Jacques Chirac declared a state of emergency Tuesday, paving the way for curfews to be imposed on riot-hit cities and towns in an extraordinary measure to halt France's worst civil unrest in decades after 12 nights of violence. "

US Cutting Diplomatic Ties With Syria:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable
"Washington -- The United States has cut off nearly all contact with the Syrian government as the Bush administration steps up a campaign to weaken and isolate President Bashar Assad's government, according to U.S. and Syrian officials."

Bush Defends CIA's Secret Prisons:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/...h/bush_torture
"PANAMA CITY, Panama - President Bush on Monday defended U.S. interrogation practices and called the treatment of terrorism suspects lawful. "We do not torture," Bush declared in response to reports of secret CIA prisons overseas."

Grandpa h.

[phoenix_fire]

Bush is an idiot and France is full of idiots. I rather think that Bush is probably laughing at the French, though.

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[Son of Belial]

Did the riots in France have anything to do with Iraq? That cartoon seems to imply it.

[phoenix_fire]

Well, supposedly the riots are supposed to be about Islamic youth who feel that they are being slighted. The popular media links all of this to terrorism (as they are wont to do). I think the implication is, however, that the French poo-pooed Bush for trying to do something about his Muslim problem and now they are impotent to do anything about their own. Not that I support Bush, but I still find the implication pretty humorous.

[bishop]

the french have always ignored problems with islamism.. just look at how they coddled arafat all those years.

their opposition to the iraq war is a completely different story and it totally irrelevant to their own internal problems.

[phoenix_fire]

True, but for the sake of the joke, one can't help making the parallel.

[Son of Belial]

Ah, I thought it had to do with two kids running from the cops and getting hurt or something. Maybe the kids were Islamic, and now the Moslems are crying that they only got chased because they were Moslem. Typical bullshit.

[Zealot]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Well, supposedly the riots are supposed to be about Islamic youth who feel that they are being slighted. The popular media links all of this to terrorism (as they are wont to do). I think the implication is, however, that the French poo-pooed Bush for trying to do something about his Muslim problem and now they are impotent to do anything about their own. Not that I support Bush, but I still find the implication pretty humorous.

THe French opened their borders just like we have. They did the multicultural, diversity trip just like we folks, get ready, arm yourselves, you're gonna need em!

Zealot...there are several groups already talking armed insurrection right here in America.

[Nono]

Quote by: bishop the french have always ignored problems with islamism.. just look at how they coddled arafat all those years

You mean: the French have always done what they deem to be in their interest.

If you think the French are in the habit of "ignoring" problems generated by Islamism, how do you explain the energy with which, over the past 10 years, they've been deporting non-French nationals preaching the stuff and taking off the streets French nationals they find dangerous?

I've been greatly amused by the breadth of the French-are-this and French-are-that remarks made on this board the past few days.

Quote by: Son of... Now the Moslems are crying that they only got chased because they were Moslem. Typical bullshit.

Typical racist drivel from Son of.

[Son of Belial]

Quote by: Nono Typical racist drivel from Son of.

Try taking what I said in context. I said I wasn't sure what the story was.

And how is that "typical?" When the hell have I said something racist?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Nono You mean: the French have always done what they deem to be in their interest. If you think the French are in the habit of "ignoring" problems generated by Islamism, how do you explain the energy with which, over the past 10 years, they've been deporting non-French nationals preaching the stuff and taking off the streets French nationals they find dangerous?

France has actually adopted a considerably "anti-Muslim" stance in recent years.
They even banned headscarves.

Grandpa h.

[Nono]

Quote by: Sonof And how is that "typical?" When the hell have I said something racist?

True, I can't say how typical it is. Let's say that if you describe French Muslims as "crying" (i.e. implying they're cry-babies) you just don't grasp the situation.

[Son of Belial]

Quote by: Nono True, I can't say how typical it is. Let's say that if you describe French Muslims as "crying" (i.e. implying they're cry-babies) you just don't grasp the situation.

Perhaps, again, you should take what I said in context.

Ah, I thought it had to do with two kids running from the cops and getting hurt or something. Maybe the kids were Islamic, and now the Moslems are crying that they only got chased because they were Moslem. Typical bullshit.

[Kite]

Lets see how the French like it when some whacked out muslims attack their country.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Kite Lets see how the French like it when some whacked out muslims attack their country.

Obviously they are not going to like getting attacked, but it's no excuse for anyone to follow Bush into places like Iraq. Let France deal with things as they will.

Grandpa h.

[Sonart]

Quote by: Kite Lets see how the French like it when some whacked out muslims attack their country.

Well, I don't see them preparing to invade and occupy Algeria, if that's what you were expecting.

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[Zealot]

Quote by: grandpa France has actually adopted a considerably "anti-Muslim" stance in recent years. They even banned headscarves. Grandpa h.

Yes Grampa, the Muslims too have a way of inciting the worst. But does their response fit the crime? What is happening in France may soon happen in Holland. Remember the man who was gunned down and stuck with a note on a knife? The Hollanders haven't forgotten that incident, would you?

Zealot

[Nono]

Quote by: Sonof Perhaps, again, you should take what I said in context.

OK, let's try it: Two kids electrocuted while hiding from cops are what touched it off, à la Rodney King. The roots -- obviously -- go much deeper.

Quote by: Kite Lets see how the French like it when some whacked out muslims attack their country.

Attacking their country? Well, Kite, what would you say is the proportion, say tonnage-wise, of US explosives targeted on Muslim countries in the past 20 years to Muslim explosives (bombs, aircraft, fuel) targeted against the US. Care to take a guess, hmm? A million to one? That sound 'bout right?

[leftcider]

Quote by: Zealot THe French opened their borders just like we have. They did the multicultural, diversity trip just like we folks, get ready, arm yourselves, you're gonna need em!

French immigration policy is not equal to American immigration policy. The French North African Muslims were deliberately brought in from a former colony to fill labor shortages and were set up in these government built ghettos. No parallel exists in America.

there are several groups already talking armed insurrection right here in America.

Militias? Communists? Nazis? Commie-Nazi Militias? Of whom doth ye speak?

[grandpa]

Quote by: leftcider French immigration policy is not equal to American immigration policy. The French North African Muslims were deliberately brought in from a former colony to fill labor shortages and were set up in these government built ghettos.

That doesn't sound like the best deal to me.

Grandpa h.