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**Sean** · Nov 7, 2005, 01:59 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4413250.stm

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About 30 policemen have been injured by shots and stones in a Paris suburb - on an 11th night of unrest across France.
They were attacked by some 200 rioters in Grigny, south of Paris. Two policemen were seriously injured.

The incident came hours after President Jacques Chirac said that restoring order was an "absolute priority".

Hundreds of cars were set on fire in different towns on Sunday night, and police had to use tear gas to disperse a club-wielding mob in Toulouse.

Rioters have burnt nearly 4,000 cars and more than 300 arrests have been made since the unrest began, gripping mostly African and Arab communities.

The violence was triggered by the deaths of two youths in the rundown Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, who were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity sub-station after reportedly fleeing police.

Targeting police

The two police officers were injured by gunfire in what police described as an "ambush" in Grigny late on Sunday.

Osborn F Enready · Nov 7, 2005, 02:22 am

This needs to happen to more government representatives and agents, who work to empower a system its people are trying to vomit out of office.

Compugasm · Nov 7, 2005, 02:28 am

Holy crap, 11 days this has been going on, and spreding? The article mentions stuff being destroyed but I'd have more confidence if they could direct the activity at the government. Sounds like they're just hurting "their own", as it were.

Zealot · Nov 7, 2005, 02:38 am

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4413250.stm

This could very well happen in the US someday soon!

Zealot

grandpa · Nov 7, 2005, 11:52 am

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This could very well happen in the US someday soon!

True. The President is very unpopular among some people.

Grandpa h.

IndieC · Nov 7, 2005, 11:58 am

It's been described by one police officer as "civil war" and the army has been called in now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4414684.stm

Oh... and the first fatality of the rioting.

One policeman also noted that the attacks seemed bent on the Police...

grandpa · Nov 7, 2005, 12:04 pm

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It's been described by one police officer as "civil war"
and the army has been called in now:

It's the big fish eats the small fish.

Grandpa h.

tinybear · Nov 7, 2005, 12:11 pm

Shades of the 1992 LA riots?

IndieC · Nov 7, 2005, 12:19 pm

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Quote by: grandpa

It's the big fish eats the small fish.

Grandpa h.

Unless the small fish is a piranha... (i think that's how its spelt)

grandpa · Nov 7, 2005, 12:20 pm

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Unless the small fish is a piranha... (i think that's how its spelt)

That's a good point. Riots do tend to get quelled, though.

Grandpa h.

Allas · Nov 7, 2005, 01:00 pm

Well, the way i see it, France has 2 options at this point.
1. Beg the British and US for help again and then take credit once the rebels are defeated.
2. Rebuild the Maginot line, hope that will spark a German invasion and thus have them defeat the rebels. Though im slightly worried the French will start extraditing Jews out of pure habit. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. This has gotten out of hand. Im pretty amazed this sort of thing can actually happen. Its clear that the only reason this is continuing on the scale it is, is because the government is unwilling to go the whole-nine-yards.

rmnunez · Nov 7, 2005, 01:45 pm

I agree the French authorities have been too indecisive, relucctant to deploy or use force. Maybe the French are trying to demonstrate some new way of dealing with insurgents or terrorists, it seems more like their usual debility.

grandpa · Nov 7, 2005, 01:52 pm

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Quote by: rmnunez

I agree the French authorities have been too indecisive, relucctant
to deploy or use force.
Maybe the French are trying to demonstrate some new way
of dealing with insurgents or terrorists, it seems more like
their usual debility.

How did the LA riots end? The LA riots ended when people had looted most of the stuff that was in the area. I don't think massive military campaigns solve everything.
It's important to consider what these and other riots are actually about.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/1...8,00050003.htm

It sounds like class, race and police abuse issues are the main causes.

Grandpa h.

Osborn F Enready · Nov 7, 2005, 02:07 pm

The riots everywhere, in every nation, will continue to get worse as mass public opinion of globalism is convinced of the direction their governments are taking them.

What the news hasn't been showing is that the riots are going on in several countries right now, many of them over the war in Iraq.

rmnunez · Nov 7, 2005, 02:07 pm

The French authorities need to show the rioters and others so inclined will face consequences for their actions. The authorities need to be mindful whatever they do in the vicinity of Paris will be precedent setting. If they establish a perimeter, contain the rioters and just let them do their thing until there are no more cars to burn or shops to loot, it will be expected rioters elsewhere will be handled the same way.

I don't think this is a good precedent, I do believe the authorities should contain the mobs and I'd highly recommend deporting the foreigners. Rioters who've acquired French citizenship, unless they have retained some other citizenship, would have to be prosecuted under whatever laws apply. Those with dual or multiple citizenship should have their French citizenship removed (for incompatible conduct) and then be deported.

Osborn F Enready · Nov 7, 2005, 02:10 pm

Obviously if they are RIOTING WITH POLICE, they are not concerned with consequences Rmunez.

rmnunez · Nov 7, 2005, 02:13 pm

Obviously they are not concerned with the consequences of RIOTING WITH THE POLICE because none have followed -yet.

Compugasm · Nov 7, 2005, 05:56 pm

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riots are going on in several countries right now, many of them over the war in Iraq.

Is this another incarnation of the "peace through war" kinda stuff? Is the objective to end the war, by causing so much destruction elsewhere?

Nono · Nov 8, 2005, 12:35 pm

France's right-wing government has just announced the reversal of some of its right-wing malignant-neglect policies that have helped fuel this. A silver lining here would be irreparable damage to the presidential ambitions of interior-minister-and-free-marketeering-vandal Nicolas Sarkozy.

Fascists who call for the "whole nine yards" are merely displaying their ignorance about what's going on in France. French cops have been overdoing things for years, and this is the bitter harvest. The whole nine yards won't work any better for the French authorities than it has for the hapless American bumblers in Iraq.

Son of Belial · Nov 8, 2005, 01:30 pm

China, France, the US... looks like it might be my time soon guys. Hope you have ammo saved up, I'm gonna have a party.

Nov 7, 2005, 02:22 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	This needs to happen to more government representatives and agents, who work to empower a system its people are trying to vomit out of office. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Nov 7, 2005, 02:28 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,643	Holy crap, 11 days this has been going on, and spreding? The article mentions stuff being destroyed but I'd have more confidence if they could direct the activity at the government. Sounds like they're just hurting "their own", as it were. Last edited by Compugasm; Nov 7, 2005 at 02:32 am.

Nov 7, 2005, 11:58 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
IndieC Igneous Magma Location: UK Posts: 303	It's been described by one police officer as "civil war" and the army has been called in now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4414684.stm Oh... and the first fatality of the rioting. One policeman also noted that the attacks seemed bent on the Police... "Never before in the history of warfare had destruction been so indiscriminate and universal" - makes you think of Hiroshima... -H.G. Wells, The War of the Worlds

Nov 7, 2005, 01:45 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	I agree the French authorities have been too indecisive, relucctant to deploy or use force. Maybe the French are trying to demonstrate some new way of dealing with insurgents or terrorists, it seems more like their usual debility. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Nov 7, 2005, 02:07 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	The riots everywhere, in every nation, will continue to get worse as mass public opinion of globalism is convinced of the direction their governments are taking them. What the news hasn't been showing is that the riots are going on in several countries right now, many of them over the war in Iraq. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Nov 7, 2005, 12:11 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Shades of the 1992 LA riots?

Nov 7, 2005, 01:00 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Allas Molten Ash Posts: 120	Well, the way i see it, France has 2 options at this point. 1. Beg the British and US for help again and then take credit once the rebels are defeated. 2. Rebuild the Maginot line, hope that will spark a German invasion and thus have them defeat the rebels. Though im slightly worried the French will start extraditing Jews out of pure habit. :rolleyes: Seriously though. This has gotten out of hand. Im pretty amazed this sort of thing can actually happen. Its clear that the only reason this is continuing on the scale it is, is because the government is unwilling to go the whole-nine-yards.

Nov 7, 2005, 02:07 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	The French authorities need to show the rioters and others so inclined will face consequences for their actions. The authorities need to be mindful whatever they do in the vicinity of Paris will be precedent setting. If they establish a perimeter, contain the rioters and just let them do their thing until there are no more cars to burn or shops to loot, it will be expected rioters elsewhere will be handled the same way. I don't think this is a good precedent, I do believe the authorities should contain the mobs and I'd highly recommend deporting the foreigners. Rioters who've acquired French citizenship, unless they have retained some other citizenship, would have to be prosecuted under whatever laws apply. Those with dual or multiple citizenship should have their French citizenship removed (for incompatible conduct) and then be deported. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff Last edited by rmnunez; Nov 7, 2005 at 02:11 pm.

Nov 7, 2005, 02:10 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Obviously if they are RIOTING WITH POLICE, they are not concerned with consequences Rmunez. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Nov 7, 2005, 02:13 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Obviously they are not concerned with the consequences of RIOTING WITH THE POLICE because none have followed -yet. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Nov 8, 2005, 12:35 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,768	France's right-wing government has just announced the reversal of some of its right-wing malignant-neglect policies that have helped fuel this. A silver lining here would be irreparable damage to the presidential ambitions of interior-minister-and-free-marketeering-vandal Nicolas Sarkozy. Fascists who call for the "whole nine yards" are merely displaying their ignorance about what's going on in France. French cops have been overdoing things for years, and this is the bitter harvest. The whole nine yards won't work any better for the French authorities than it has for the hapless American bumblers in Iraq. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Nov 8, 2005, 01:30 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Son of Belial BANNED: Requested ban Location: Acheron 27 Posts: 1,461	China, France, the US... looks like it might be my time soon guys. Hope you have ammo saved up, I'm gonna have a party.