U.S. Health Care Most Expensive & Most Error Prone

[Sonart]

Quote by: bishop what a great father.. stick the bill with the kids.

If you've read his stuff, particularly on his "conservation" thread.... he isn't kidding.

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[tman_ndsu08]

Ha!!! Exactly what I figured would happened!

When I present you with a logical and practical NON GOVERNMENT means to take care of a problem you get completely flustered and have no choice but to resort to ad hominem attacks!

Typical.

[Boetie]

It's all politics. Let me tell you of a knowlege that I have. Many doctors are doctors only because their dad was.

There is this guy that is a doctor because his dad was. His dad just so happens to be on the board of a major hospital. Because of daddy this bozo of a clown was allowed to handle a case that is way beyond his scope. The case resulted in a disaster.

Daddy and the hospital needed to protect the son. Attorney Generals in our state is elected. Daddy and the hospital pull strings. Strings are pulled everywhere. Fake evidence is introduced. Note: don't worry about the plaintiff attorney he is a mecenary and Republican too, he'll take money to throw the case.

All in all there is a lot of bullshit in this business and people do get hurt and we have Republicans looking out for the big bucks and not the people.

[Sonart]

Quote by: tman When I present you with a logical and practical NON GOVERNMENT means to take care of a problem you get completely flustered and have no choice but to resort to ad hominem attacks!

Nearly half of all personal bankruptcies now filed in the U.S. are because of overwhelming medical expenses. Pointing out that you're the most monumentally selfish, self-centered, if-there's-nothing-in-it-for-me-screw-it cuss I've ever come across on this or any board is not an ad-hominem, tman, it's simple establishing a point of reference for this particular debate.

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[grandpa]

Quote by: Sonart Nearly half of all personal bankruptcies now filed in the U.S. are because of overwhelming medical expenses. Pointing out that you're the most monumentally selfish, self-centered, if-there's-nothing-in-it-for-me-screw-it cuss I've ever come across on this or any board is not an ad-hominem, tman, it's simple establishing a point of reference for this particular debate.

I hope he never gives any seminars. I personally see Anarcho-Capitalism as ideological sado-masochism.
Morality is simply not allowed and the poor deserve whatever artificial deprivations they get.
With them, the debate will be over before it can ever start because the only consideration is the business one.
Protostar pointed that out simply in some other threads. It's a shame more people didn't join those discussions.

Grandpa h.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Sonart Nearly half of all personal bankruptcies now filed in the U.S. are because of overwhelming medical expenses. Pointing out that you're the most monumentally selfish, self-centered, if-there's-nothing-in-it-for-me-screw-it cuss I've ever come across on this or any board is not an ad-hominem, tman, it's simple establishing a point of reference for this particular debate. .

If those bills are too much to pay take out a loan.

[grandpa]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 If those bills are too much to pay take out a loan.

What if you can't pay back the huge loan ASAP? What then? Take out another loan?
It's not going to get rid of the overall cost--it's going to create a new type of debt.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Grandpa h.

[5010]

Could it be that Americans don't care enough about prevention? Why do we sit on the couch at night? Why do we pork out on processed bleached nutritionally bankrupt fried food and sugar and sodium? Why do we drive everywhere even if within easy cycling distance? Why do we drive so fast and tailgate and cut people off and talk on the phone while on meds or drugs or alcohol or sleep deprivation? Why do we smoke and drink and shoot and pop and huff? Why do we lay half naked in the sun without sunscreen? Why do we jump in bed with so many partners?

Just call it the "jackass factor"...

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Ha!!! Exactly what I figured would happened! When I present you with a logical and practical NON GOVERNMENT means to take care of a problem you get completely flustered and have no choice but to resort to ad hominem attacks! Typical.

Is asking you to back up some of your claims an attack? To my knowledge you have never answered ONE of my requests for a link or a source.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: grandpa What if you can't pay back the huge loan ASAP? What then? Take out another loan? It's not going to get rid of the overall cost--it's going to create a new type of debt. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Grandpa h.

Nothing wrong with managable debt!

Hell, I encourage it! That's c alled "credit" to a bank. That's how you get to buy your fancy little cars and houses and what not.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Is asking you to back up some of your claims an attack? To my knowledge you have never answered ONE of my requests for a link or a source.

I've never made an argument that required a source!

I've always argued from a base philisophical point of view. You don't need sources there because you're arguing at the level of ideas.

Hell, in any study you can find a base philosophical flaw with it!


So lets just argue from the base philosophical level!

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 I've never made an argument that required a source!

Like this one?

"The obviously point is that they don't do it better and that a private market heath system means LESS people die!

That's the truth even if you don't like it."

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Like this one? "The obviously point is that they don't do it better and that a private market heath system means LESS people die! That's the truth even if you don't like it."

You could find a philosophical argument against any source that I could provide and I as well could to any source that you provide to the contrary.

So lets just argue on the idea level.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 You could find a philosophical argument against any source that I could provide and I as well could to any source that you provide to the contrary. So lets just argue on the idea level.

Except what I quoted was an unsupported allegation you claimed was the truth. A lie. There is nothing philosophical about a lie.

[Protostar]

I think it's fairly obvious that a private healthcare system would provide better and faster service than a government controlled one. The government has no incentive to provide good service, which is why it takes an assload of time to get anything done when they are involved (getting a drivers license, etc.). Plus its more fair. Why should I be forced to pay for someone elses living expenses? No socialist has ever been able to explain that to me.

[oranged]

The reason the capitalist health care system doesn't work is because the companies aren't trying to heal people wounds and cure their sicknesses. That is what healthcare is for, but that's not what capitalist healthcare systems try to do. They try to make money. The truth is that, if they could get that kind of money legally making people sicker instead of curing people, they would do it.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: oranged The reason the capitalist health care system doesn't work is because the companies aren't trying to heal people wounds and cure their sicknesses. That is what healthcare is for, but that's not what capitalist healthcare systems try to do. They try to make money. The truth is that, if they could get that kind of money legally making people sicker instead of curing people, they would do it.

Have you ever heard of a pill that CURES anything? One pill does it all and leave s the patient totally cured. Of course that one pill is the LAST pill that patient will ever need and that ain't good for the stockholders.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Have you ever heard of a pill that CURES anything? One pill does it all and leave s the patient totally cured. Of course that one pill is the LAST pill that patient will ever need and that ain't good for the stockholders.

A clearly flawed logic.

New people will be born, right? And those new people will also need pills.


Just because you have a pill that cures doesn't mean you go out of business!


Typical socialists who have no business sense.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 A clearly flawed logic. New people will be born, right? And those new people will also need pills. Just because you have a pill that cures doesn't mean you go out of business! Typical socialists who have no business sense.

How does what I said make you think I'm a socialist? That is a direct question, by the way.

And sure, if EVERYONE who is born contracts the disesase our fictional pill cures there of course will be a short market for ONE PILL for each one of these newborns instead of possibly THOUSANDS of pills for each current sufferer. But of course, not every newborn will contract any specific disease so that reduces your fantasy world market even further.

Try it again.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Scribbler1 How does what I said make you think I'm a socialist? That is a direct question, by the way.

Because socialists have absolutely no business sense. Everything they advocate is either directly or indicretly aimed at making it hard for business to be run in this country. Possibly on purpose because they're jealous.

And sure, if EVERYONE who is born contracts the disesase our fictional pill cures there of course will be a short market for ONE PILL for each one of these newborns instead of possibly THOUSANDS of pills for each current sufferer. But of course, not every newborn will contract any specific disease so that reduces your fantasy world market even further.

So? As long as there is a profit to be made the market will dictate that supply will be supplied.

Again...no business or economics sense. Something that I find typical of socialists who refuse to see the world in anyway that doesn't fit into their flawed understanding of how it should work.