US vows to stop illegal migrants

[rmnunez]

I am surprised to learn labour costs are so insignificant in the agricultural sector, I guess they spend more on water and fertilizer -what other costs are associated with making a head of lettuce?

[Irene]

I have an idea. For those who want to argue that the illegals do the jobs nobody will do, I say lets put our correctional institute members to work. The "employer" can pay the "state" the same wages they do illegal immigrants. The "State" will use the money to pay for the room and board of the prisoners, guards salaries, upkeep of the facilites, and administration of this new worker program. The convicts payback their debt to society, they possibly get a new job skill, there will be less violence in the prison system, because they will be tired from a good days work and it would take a burden off of the state to pay for the housing of those criminals. Work might even be a deterrent for them returning to a jail and it may even create a few new jobs. What say you?

[Son of Belial]

Irene, I agree. If we're not going to execute criminals, we can put them to work. Didn't we used to do that? Now prisoners CAN do some work but they have to elect to do it. Feh.

[Cephus]

Quote by: PatrickHenry The deal with food is this: If the price rises are too steep, people will start growing it in their yards... Apples too high at Safeway? I'll buy 'em from the little kid with a wagon, selling them door to door...

Go ahead and take your chances that there's nothing wrong with them. Grow your own for all I care. Heck, I have 10 acres of orange groves, I don't know the last time I bought an orange, apple, lemon or avocado at a grocery store because I get them straight from the tree for free.

Of course, we can apply this to most industries you want. Construction trade? Prices go up a few cents. What are you going to do, build your own house? Cleaning crews? Clean your own office. Heck, you could do that right now and save a bundle, couldn't you?

[Cephus]

Quote by: Son of Belial Irene, I agree. If we're not going to execute criminals, we can put them to work. Didn't we used to do that? Now prisoners CAN do some work but they have to elect to do it. Feh.

Personally, I think every single prisoner needs to be required to do at least 8 hours of hard labor per day, every day, even if it amounts to making big rocks into small ones. Prison isn't supposed to be a country club, it's supposed to be punishment and a repayment of a debt to society.

So when do they start paying?

[amana1man]

Quote by: Zeebadee This is garbage. Bush's idea of stopping illegals from entering the country is to change the laws so they're not illegal anymore. The migration will continue unabated.

Yes I agree. Bush would like all us "poor people" to be working for $3.00 an hour picking apples or other crops. He can do this by getting many Mexicans across the border. In one house in north Missouri 25 Mexicans live in one house and most work at minuim wage or less jobs while drawing food stamps and welfare on there large families. Some illegals have been in this country for many years and have not tried to become legal. When they become legal they must pay taxes. Mean while drugs are brought in from Mexico and our prisons in the USA are over flowing with Mexicans. I hear that some 20% of out prisoners are of Mexican descent. Rep. Steve King of Iowa said we need a fence with razor wire on top. Sounds good to me. I think it could be electric also. The border guards need to say "stop or we will open fire" and do as they say. In the last couple years I have seen signs going up in Iowa which are wrote in Mexican. This is a drain on our taxes. One place in Iowa got in trouble when a under age person was found in the club. She was Mexican and said she could not read the signs which said "no one under 21 admitted". I have worked with many different races of people and find most are good workers and honest people. I do not include the Mexican's in this because many are lazy and dishonest. The two races in the USA which have been treated the worst are in large the most honest and hard working. That would be the Indian and the Black man.

[amana1man]

Quote by: Irene I have an idea. For those who want to argue that the illegals do the jobs nobody will do. Work might even be a deterrent for them returning to a jail and it may even create a few new jobs. What say you?

I agree. I myself looked two years for a "good job" and found none. I took a job at Walmart where I was fired 5 months later because I could not do the work which I told them I could not do when hired. Workforce said it was most likely a "your a insurance risk thing" since in 6 months one can get insurance. My two sons, Joseph looked for four years before being hired part time at a good job. Joshua is almost 20 and has yet to find any work. We live in Iowa where some 125000 jobs have been lost in the last several years.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Cephus Go ahead and take your chances that there's nothing wrong with them. Grow your own for all I care. Heck, I have 10 acres of orange groves, I don't know the last time I bought an orange, apple, lemon or avocado at a grocery store because I get them straight from the tree for free. Of course, we can apply this to most industries you want. Construction trade? Prices go up a few cents. What are you going to do, build your own house? Cleaning crews? Clean your own office. Heck, you could do that right now and save a bundle, couldn't you?

Not really trying to debate the need for food from the neighbors, just saying that if it gets too costly there are alternatives. I have personally grown substantial quantities of produce in my yard. Now that may be a little tough to do with wheat or rice, but grain farming isn't dependent on migrant labor is it?

[Compugasm]

Quote by: PatrickHenry ...but grain farming isn't dependent on migrant labor is it?

No, it's threshed with huge combines. I forgot the details of what they can cut/bail in a day, but they're amazing. You could also do hydroponic farming, take a look at how many strawberries plants they have stacked up here. This retired couple is growing 6200 heads of lettuce, and the maintainence is computer controlled. The lack of hard labor in these types of setups, must make it easier to recruit workers. I guess the next question, can you grow wheat hydroponically?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Cephus Heck, I have 10 acres of orange groves, I don't know the last time I bought an orange, apple, lemon or avocado at a grocery store because I get them straight from the tree for free.

How do you get apples, lemons, and avocados to grow on orange trees?

[OswaldTheOsprey]

We should stop illegal immigration, punish the businesses bringing them in.

[tinybear]

Yep, that's what's happening here in Hong Kong. It's an offense punishable by imprisonment to employ an illegal immigrant.For a first offender on a plea of guilty, the starting point is madatory two months' imprisonment.

[Irene]

amana1man, DO you have alot of illegal immigration there where you live? It seems to me that within the last year, where I live, there has been an explosion. I've heard several stories that people are in car accidents and those illegals that were driving, they all get out and run. We've had two homes recently sold in our neighborhood and I swear you''d think it was a flop house. Each of these homes has at least two families living in them, and the one has 2-3 renters. They have at least 6 cars coming and going and this is a small dead end street. I'm not against anyone wanting to come to the U.S. to live because this is the greatest country in the world, however, people wishing to come here need to do it the legal and proper way. I also heard that Mexico does not have an innoculation program for their children and so that some of the heavily populated areas are bringing in diseases that we have since eradicated.

[Son of Belial]

TinyBear, hasn't it totally destroyed your econony and caused hatred and flames and famine? lol...

amana1man, I hear ya. I've had three places tell me, yeah, you have experience, you're our man, come on in, we need you. Then just played with me. Wal-mart tried playing with me like you said... wanted to pay $6.50 an hour to to stock work. Yeah, right. That was the only place that had offered to hire me and I have a bad back.

Get this... I was called into a pawn shop and told it was pretty much guaranteed I had the job since I have experience is sales, pawnbrokering, and customer service. I'd barely need training, I already knew what to do. Great. I don't drive, and it's like an hour by bus to get there. The guy told me to RIDE MY BIKE if I had to because I had this job.

Well I go out there, make a long story short, instead of hiring me, they hired the Puerto-Rican girl who barely spoke English, had no experience, and was complaining that she "didn't want to get dirty." Jesus Christ. Don't hire the experienced guy who's done this work before and was eager to begin as soon as possible, hire the bimbo who was afraid she might sweat if she works too hard and speaks broken English.

"Duh, immigrants are good for us." What the fuck ever.

[Cephus]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Not really trying to debate the need for food from the neighbors, just saying that if it gets too costly there are alternatives. I have personally grown substantial quantities of produce in my yard. Now that may be a little tough to do with wheat or rice, but grain farming isn't dependent on migrant labor is it?

I have no idea how many illegals work in grain farming but I would suspect a fair number. My point is that if we start requiring only legal residents to work in these industries, the world isn't going to end. Is Walmart going to stop cleaning their stores? Okay, bad example since they hardly do now. :) Life will go on.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Zeebadee How do you get apples, lemons, and avocados to grow on orange trees?

Very carefully?

I've got more than just orange trees, silly. :)

[Son of Belial]

SCRANTON, Pa. - Federal officials say the arrest of 125 workers at a construction site for a new Wal-Mart distribution center should serve as a warning to employers who hire illegal immigrants.

All 125 workers arrested in the raid will be deported, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officials said Friday. The workers from Mexico and Central America were detained Thursday at the site outside Pottsville, about 80 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

"Employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens, and those who utilize false documents to gain employment, face significant criminal and administrative charges," said John Kelleghan, acting special agent-in-charge for the immigration agency in Pennsylvania.

Complete story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051119/...llegal_workers

[amana1man]

Quote by: Irene amana1man, DO you have alot of illegal immigration there where you live? It seems to me that within the last year, where I live, there has been an explosion. I've heard several stories that people are in car accidents and those illegals that were driving, they all get out and run. We've had two homes recently sold in our neighborhood and I swear you''d think it was a flop house. Each of these homes has at least two families living in them, and the one has 2-3 renters. They have at least 6 cars coming and going and this is a small dead end street. I'm not against anyone wanting to come to the U.S. to live because this is the greatest country in the world, however, people wishing to come here need to do it the legal and proper way. I also heard that Mexico does not have an innoculation program for their children and so that some of the heavily populated areas are bringing in diseases that we have since eradicated.

In the area where I live we have packing houses which process hogs and chickens. They employ mostly mexicans. In the last few years there has been dozens of illegals picked up in Tama Iowa packing house. In Des Moines Iowa the meth problem grows daily. Iowa passed laws stopping the buying of stuff they make meth out of. The meth production in Iowa has dropped very much but now a new type of meth is being brought in from Mexico. In a drug bust in Des Moines a few weeks back the kingpin was found to be a illegal alien who escaped back to Mexico. It is said that 20% of our prison population are of Mexican descent. We have now many towns in Iowa where huge % of population is Mexican. In Victor a plastic factory now employes several Mexicans, some who does not speak or read english. The rate of pay has declined for all new employees hired by this coumpany. How does one get a drivers license if one can not read the road signs. In some towns new signs were put up in spanish. In Milan Missouri a packing house owned and operated by PSF hire mostly Mexicans. In one rented house some 25 Mexicans live. Places like Tama Pack and PSF who hire illegal aliens need stopped. Like someone said give the CEO of the company a month in jail for each offence and tack on a huge fine. If the CEO faced a month in jail he would not be so quick to hire them. New social security card should be issued and include a picture of the owner. Any one would pay a $5000.00 fine if found hireing anyone with a proper card with supporting documentation. Yes that could be one step. A second step would be to raise the mininum wage to about $8.00 per hour. How does a illegal alien live on say $4.00 an hour. Because they pay no taxes. They get $400.00 or plus overtime pay and pay nothing out of this for tax. Quite often the house is rented by a legal resident of the USA and they have a documented income of $1000 per month. They list a dozen relative living with them and get welfare and food stamps meanwhile the others in the house work jobs which pay cash under the table. The income for the total house hold may be $20,000.00 a month but still they claim only $1000.00. If caught most of the family is just deported. One lady was caught in Chicago last year. She worked for a firm who thought she was a legal resident because of false social security card. She was using her cousins social security card. She made if I remember correctly $16.00 an hour and her cousin filed tor tax credits each year. She was caught and deported, no fine, no jail time. The company said "she was a good employee and we will try to get her back." A woman was caught in Indiana and she had been in the USA for many years, She was honest when she said "why would I want to become a citizen, I make almost $2000.00 a month and pay no tax. If I become a citizen I would have all that tax to pay. Also think of this many in there 50s become citizens and work in this country for say 10 years and at 62 they sign up for social security. They would get about $300.00 a month and still be able to hold a job and make somewhere around $8000 per a year. They also get other money in the form of aid to the poor. When the plastic factory in Victor Iowa advertized for help I applied. I had worked in this type work for 24 years. I was not hired because I am an old man, they hired a Mexican or two most likely. :( America needs to wake up. Kick a bunch of people out of there government jobs. People like Senator Grassley and any others who puts big business and special interest ahead of the working people in this country. We should never have had to pay $3.00 bucks a gallon for fuel. Our government could have stepped in but most of them are in with the oil people. They were making money so why shot themselves in the foot. Last year my ultitly bill was $225.00 per month and this year it will be a mininum of $325.00. :eek: Life sucks

[amana1man]

Quote by: Son of Belial TinyBear, hasn't it totally destroyed your econony and caused hatred and flames and famine? lol... amana1man, I hear ya. I've had three places tell me, yeah, you have experience. Well I go out there, make a long story short, instead of hiring me, they hired the Puerto-Rican girl who barely spoke English, had no experience, and was complaining that she "didn't want to get dirty." Jesus Christ. Don't hire the experienced guy who's done this work before and was eager to begin as soon as possible, hire the bimbo who was afraid she might sweat if she works too hard and speaks broken English. "Duh, immigrants are good for us." What the fuck ever.

Victor Plastic's had a add in the paper requesting help. I have worked 24 years as an operater and as a die setter on injection molding machines. At my previous employee I went the extra mile to inprove quality and quality. I had documention to prove what I said both from Bayer plastic's and my previous supervisor. I put in my appliciation but was not hired by Victor Plastic's. A friend who works there said they hired a couple Mexicans who could barly speak english. Why was I not hired? Guess over the hill had something to do with it. Iowa say's it unemployment rate is under 6% but this includes everyone. Wonder what the unemployment rate is for someone 53 years old? Oh, Walmart. I bought a fire extinguisher at Walmart last fall. I had a small fire and it did not work. I took it back to Walmart for replacement, I did not have a reciept. The lady said to go get one and they would exchange it. I went and got one, she scanned the UPC on my old one and the price came up $9.95 she scanned the one I brought up and it scanned $14.95. "You will need to pay the difference if you wish to exchange it," the Walmart service desk lady said.
That was bull shit. I went and got a cheaper one and exchange it. The cheaper one sold for $7.90 well she exchanged it but I did not get the $2.05 difference paid to me. She wrote it as a even exchange. Most likely stuck the $2.05 in her pocket after I went out the door. Hey at Christmas they make thousands of dollars from people who have returns without reciepts. They reduce prices after Christmas and if you have no reciept you get screwed.

[amana1man]

Quote by: Cephus I have no idea how many illegals work in grain farming but I would suspect a fair number. My point is that if we start requiring only legal residents to work in these industries, the world isn't going to end. Is Walmart going to stop cleaning their stores? Okay, bad example since they hardly do now. :) Life will go on.

The point is that ever job a illegal takes is a job that a citizen loses. Those grain farms which is spoke of are not owned by John Doe who has a small farm. We are talking huge farms some which it would take most of a day to walk across. They are called company farms. One such farm in central Iowa gets almost a million dollars a year from our government. So people think those farms must hire illegal alians who they can hire for $3 or $4 bucks a hour. Those farms have the resources to pay a good wage and hire Americans. They are increasing there profit margin by hiring those who will work for such pay. I have done farm work and it is not unpleasant work, it is hard work and the pay should be at least $8.00 an hour. I think the pay of those Mexican workers is under the table and they work for around $3.00 an hour while drawing food stamps, welfare and any other aid pkg. which comes along. $3.00 X 60= $180.00X4=$720.00 plus $500.00 food stamps plus perhaps welfare or social security suppmental income. Hey they are making good money. The company farm is happy and who is getting screwed? The tax payer and the citizen looking for a honest good paying job. :( America needs to wake up. Give those people jail time for hiring undocumented workers.