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shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 03:24 pm

What should it be?

shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 03:41 pm

I feel it should be $9.00 an hour, and that it should go into effect immidiatley after it passes and the President signs it.

Nono · Oct 30, 2005, 03:49 pm

Pardon my vulgar ignorance, but what is it at present? I do remember that Clinton got it raised, which I consider one of the crowning achievements of his presidency.

A higher minimum wage is a form of wealth distribution and a way to put more money in consumers' pockets, money that will be spent locally and not on vacations in Caymans.
Excellent economic sense.

shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 04:12 pm

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Pardon my vulgar ignorance, but what is it at present? I do remember that Clinton got it raised, which I consider one of the crowning achievements of his presidency.

A higher minimum wage is a form of wealth distribution and a way to put more money in consumers' pockets, money that will be spent locally and not on vacations in Caymans.
Excellent economic sense.

It is $5.15 per hour.

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/minimum_wage.php

tman_ndsu08 · Oct 30, 2005, 05:00 pm

The minimum wage should be abolished.

Then the power goes back to business owners who rightfully should get to decide what their employees are worth to them.

shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 05:05 pm

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Quote by: tman_ndsu08

The minimum wage should be abolished.

Then the power goes back to business owners who rightfully should get to decide what their employees are worth to them.

You own a Business I take it?

Nono · Oct 30, 2005, 05:11 pm

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The minimum wage should be abolished.

"Jesus drove the money-changers out of the temple. You want to inscribe their title deed on the altar cloth."

-- Aneurin Bevan

grandpa · Oct 30, 2005, 05:21 pm

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Quote by: tman_ndsu08

The minimum wage should be abolished.

Then the power goes back to business owners who rightfully should get to decide what their employees are worth to them.

Yeah, Tman, because only business owners should be able to decide peoples' standards of living.
[Sarcasm]

Grandpa h.

Mark A Shrider · Oct 30, 2005, 06:31 pm

My wife & I are small business owners & a $9.00 per hour minimum wage would sink our business. It would also prevent any future entrepreneurship from happening. It's already hard enough to start your own business & you want to make even harder. A higher minimum wage would contribute to higher inflation. It has never really helped anyone & likely would put more folks into the poverty level as inflation would likely skyrocket.

If I currently pay an employee $9.00 per hour they're above minimum wage (considerably). If you raise the minimum wage to $9.00 per hour I would have to pay almost $13.00 an hour to attract the same quality worker & they'd also have to make that much to maintain their current standard of living. Plus, how many high school kids working at McDonald's is worth $9.00 per hour? Not many. Some have suggested that maybe we should have a different minimum wage for minors & adults. Not sure if that would work or not.

The bottom line is that minimum wage has never lifted anyone out of poverty. Plus minimum wage jobs are usually the jobs we have on our way to a better job. Raising the minimum wage would only encourage folks to stay where they're at & not to work toward improving their situation.

shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 07:03 pm

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My wife & I are small business owners & a $9.00 per hour minimum wage would sink our business. It would also prevent any future entrepreneurship from happening. It's already hard enough to start your own business & you want to make even harder. A higher minimum wage would contribute to higher inflation. It has never really helped anyone & likely would put more folks into the poverty level as inflation would likely skyrocket.

If I currently pay an employee $9.00 per hour they're above minimum wage (considerably). If you raise the minimum wage to $9.00 per hour I would have to pay almost $13.00 an hour to attract the same quality worker & they'd also have to make that much to maintain their current standard of living. Plus, how many high school kids working at McDonald's is worth $9.00 per hour? Not many. Some have suggested that maybe we should have a different minimum wage for minors & adults. Not sure if that would work or not.

The bottom line is that minimum wage has never lifted anyone out of poverty. Plus minimum wage jobs are usually the jobs we have on our way to a better job. Raising the minimum wage would only encourage folks to stay where they're at & not to work toward improving their situation.

The Minimum wage has never lifted anyone out of poverty because the Min. Wage has remained well below the poverty level. The min wage hasn't even kept pace with inflation. And I am sorry it would affect small business owners, I don't have a solution for that but the bottom line is it would help a greater number of Americans than it would hurt and the good of the many outweights the good of the few.

Rave7pt0 · Oct 30, 2005, 07:05 pm

I don't think there should be a minimum wage at all -- I think to a large degree it's the single worst source of inflation.

Compugasm · Oct 30, 2005, 09:35 pm

I wonder what abolishing this would do to unemployment figures? Like someone gets the bright idea to give everyone a job, by paying them one penny an hour, just so that they can in fact, say they're employed to "exchange oxygen to carbon dioxide".

**Chris** · Oct 30, 2005, 09:47 pm

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I feel it should be $9.00 an hour, and that it should go into effect immidiatley after it passes and the President signs it.

Thats great news.

I got so pissed off after watching Morgan Spurlocks special show called "30 days" where he attempted to live off minimum wage. The Fed Min wage has not increased since 1997! Yet the do-do heads in Congress got pay raises constantly since then.

Fucking asshats.

I hate it when Neocons also just tote the party line saying an increase isn't necc. And I say that is freakin garbage.

You absolutely cannot live off $5.50 per hour these days You just fucking cant.

$220 per week??? before taxes? you gotta be freakin kidding me right? thats only $880 per month before taxes. You cannot live off that bullshit.

grandpa · Oct 30, 2005, 09:55 pm

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Thats great news.

I got so pissed off after watching Morgan Spurlocks special show called "30 days" where he attempted to live off minimum wage. The Fed Min wage has not increased since 1997! Yet the do-do heads in Congress got pay raises constantly since then.

Fucking asshats.

I hate it when Neocons also just tote the party line saying an increase isn't necc. And I say that is freakin garbage.

You absolutely cannot live off $5.50 per hour these days You just fucking cant.

$220 per week??? before taxes? you gotta be freakin kidding me right? thats only $880 per month before taxes. You cannot live off that bullshit.

Well, here's a radical idea. Wages are imagination-based excuses to exploit people. Whether they are "high" or "low," it doesn't matter in itself, as they are imaginary. Somebody is going to be benefitting greatly from the labor of others who are dehumanized accordingly. I think the answer to the problem of how low the wage should be is ZERO for anybody.

Grandpa h.

Protostar · Oct 30, 2005, 09:57 pm

There should be no minimum wage period. This type of socialist legislation (along with a whole host of other socialist legislation) is what is driving companies abroad. Who is the government to tell what business owners are going to pay their businesses? Wage controls discourage businesses from hiring more workers because of the increased wages they would have to pay them. And like someone points out, it hurts small businesses the most. The only ones who would be able to take the increased wages financially would be large corporations. So it would actually be to their advantage for the minimum wage to increase as it would crush smaller competitors who wouldn't be able to stomach the increased wages.

grandpa · Oct 30, 2005, 09:58 pm

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Quote by: |Chris|

Thats great news.

I got so pissed off after watching Morgan Spurlocks special show called "30 days" where he attempted to live off minimum wage. The Fed Min wage has not increased since 1997! Yet the do-do heads in Congress got pay raises constantly since then.

Fucking asshats.

I hate it when Neocons also just tote the party line saying an increase isn't necc. And I say that is freakin garbage.

You absolutely cannot live off $5.50 per hour these days You just fucking cant.

$220 per week??? before taxes? you gotta be freakin kidding me right? thats only $880 per month before taxes. You cannot live off that bullshit.

Chris, you are pointing out the obvious---that the government OR businesses don't really care about your standard of living. They care that you can rent yourself out to them or face conditions of blatant poverty.

Grandpa h.

Protostar · Oct 30, 2005, 10:02 pm

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Quote by: |Chris|

Thats great news.

I got so pissed off after watching Morgan Spurlocks special show called "30 days" where he attempted to live off minimum wage. The Fed Min wage has not increased since 1997! Yet the do-do heads in Congress got pay raises constantly since then.

Fucking asshats.

I hate it when Neocons also just tote the party line saying an increase isn't necc. And I say that is freakin garbage.

You absolutely cannot live off $5.50 per hour these days You just fucking cant.

$220 per week??? before taxes? you gotta be freakin kidding me right? thats only $880 per month before taxes. You cannot live off that bullshit.

They are wrong. An increase isn't necessary. It needs to be abolished altogether.

grandpa · Oct 30, 2005, 10:12 pm

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They are wrong. An increase isn't necessary. It needs to be abolished altogether.

Again Protostar--the pro-exploitation attitude is precisely what fuels the demand for minimum wages. You are creating your own worst problem.

Grandpa h.

shield772 · Oct 30, 2005, 10:23 pm

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There should be no minimum wage period. This type of socialist legislation (along with a whole host of other socialist legislation) is what is driving companies abroad. Who is the government to tell what business owners are going to pay their businesses? Wage controls discourage businesses from hiring more workers because of the increased wages they would have to pay them. And like someone points out, it hurts small businesses the most. The only ones who would be able to take the increased wages financially would be large corporations. So it would actually be to their advantage for the minimum wage to increase as it would crush smaller competitors who wouldn't be able to stomach the increased wages.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/chart.htm

Protostar · Oct 30, 2005, 10:28 pm

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Again Protostar--the pro-exploitation attitude is precisely what fuels the demand for minimum wages. You are creating your own worst problem.

Grandpa h.

Did you not read the post I made before? Big corporations support this because it would stifle smaller businesses. Is that what you want?

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Oct 30, 2005, 03:49 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,774	Pardon my vulgar ignorance, but what is it at present? I do remember that Clinton got it raised, which I consider one of the crowning achievements of his presidency. A higher minimum wage is a form of wealth distribution and a way to put more money in consumers' pockets, money that will be spent locally and not on vacations in Caymans. Excellent economic sense. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

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Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	I don't think there should be a minimum wage at all -- I think to a large degree it's the single worst source of inflation. Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

Oct 30, 2005, 09:57 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Protostar Hardcore Capitalist Location: North Carolina Posts: 759	There should be no minimum wage period. This type of socialist legislation (along with a whole host of other socialist legislation) is what is driving companies abroad. Who is the government to tell what business owners are going to pay their businesses? Wage controls discourage businesses from hiring more workers because of the increased wages they would have to pay them. And like someone points out, it hurts small businesses the most. The only ones who would be able to take the increased wages financially would be large corporations. So it would actually be to their advantage for the minimum wage to increase as it would crush smaller competitors who wouldn't be able to stomach the increased wages. "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." . . . Susan B. Anthony

Oct 30, 2005, 05:00 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	The minimum wage should be abolished. Then the power goes back to business owners who rightfully should get to decide what their employees are worth to them.

Oct 30, 2005, 06:31 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Mark A Shrider Sedimentary Rock Posts: 17	My wife & I are small business owners & a $9.00 per hour minimum wage would sink our business. It would also prevent any future entrepreneurship from happening. It's already hard enough to start your own business & you want to make even harder. A higher minimum wage would contribute to higher inflation. It has never really helped anyone & likely would put more folks into the poverty level as inflation would likely skyrocket. If I currently pay an employee $9.00 per hour they're above minimum wage (considerably). If you raise the minimum wage to $9.00 per hour I would have to pay almost $13.00 an hour to attract the same quality worker & they'd also have to make that much to maintain their current standard of living. Plus, how many high school kids working at McDonald's is worth $9.00 per hour? Not many. Some have suggested that maybe we should have a different minimum wage for minors & adults. Not sure if that would work or not. The bottom line is that minimum wage has never lifted anyone out of poverty. Plus minimum wage jobs are usually the jobs we have on our way to a better job. Raising the minimum wage would only encourage folks to stay where they're at & not to work toward improving their situation.

Oct 30, 2005, 09:35 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,643	I wonder what abolishing this would do to unemployment figures? Like someone gets the bright idea to give everyone a job, by paying them one penny an hour, just so that they can in fact, say they're employed to "exchange oxygen to carbon dioxide".