The Birth of an Impeachment

[gr8fuldaniel]

Here we go!

LINK Kucinich Uses Resolution Of Inquiry To Demand Documents From White House Group That Developed Strategy To “Sell” War To The Public And Press Washington, Oct 20 - Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) today introduced a Resolution of Inquiry to demand the White House turn over all white papers, minutes, notes, emails or other communications kept by the White House Iraq Group (WHIG). “This group, comprised of the President and Vice President’s top aides, was critical in selling the Administration’s case for war,” stated Kucinich. “We now know that the Administration hyped intelligence and misled the American public and Congress in their effort to ‘sell’ the war. After over 1,900 American troops have been killed in Iraq, it is long past time for this Congress to ask serious questions about WHIG and its role in the lead up to the war.” A Resolution of Inquiry is a rare House procedure used to obtain documents from the Executive Branch. Under House rules, Kucinich’s resolution is referred to committee, and action must be taken in committee within 14 legislative days. “For two-and-a-half years Congress has sat on the sidelines neglecting its oversight responsibility when it has come to Iraq,” continued Kucinich. “We owe it to the American people to hold this Administration accountable and to find out the truth.”

This Inquiry should reveal cover-ups like why the FBI NEVER Investigated the Niger Yellow Cake Forgery (but this guy did!). My hats off to Patrick Fitzgerald if he gets past the surface issue of the TREASONOUS outing of NOC agent Valerie Plame and cuts to the heart (Plamegate is a symptom of the real disease) of the administration, which.....

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." ---Downing Street Memo

Lets bring charges, get the show on the road.

[Milton Bradley]

I really am surprised a Democrat could attempt such a thing.


I'm sure they must know that if the whole web of lies comes out, they will certainly be implicated as well.


The hijacking of the Presidency is far older than these NeoCon war mongers, far older. The usurpation of power goes hand in hand with the way this country has been run for many years. They are all guilty.

[Osborn F Enready]

Also, please note this page.

Also note the endorsers, and the gain of momentum of the movement.

http://www.impeachnow.org/

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I really am surprised a Democrat could attempt such a thing. I'm sure they must know that if the whole web of lies comes out, they will certainly be implicated as well.

Kucinich was against the war from the start. Some people try to credit Howard Dean. Not so.
Dennis K. didnt follow the herd. I agree with you that a lot of heads will roll, (more likely they'll just not be re-elected) if all complicity is exposed. Kucinich is one of the few with a soul.

All the Dems who voted for the war, Should do what Dick Gephardt did ....Admit he was wrong.

So all thats left for them is to start doing the right thing NOW.....Support this Resolution Of Inquiry ! !

[gr8fuldaniel]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions. Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

"if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction" That "if" is a helluva lot bigger than it looks.

When they assume they make ASS's out of themselves alone, while evryone else gets fucking murdered and bombed.

[grandpa]

Every day sees another group of stories revealing growing dissatisfaction with Bush.
And why wouldn't it be that way?

Indictments, Resignations This Week?:
"Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) said yesterday that he expects White House officials will step down if they are indicted this week but stressed that speculation should cease until special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald announces the results of his investigation into the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...300926_pf.html

Bush Calls CIA Leak Case 'Very Serious':
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush said on Monday the investigation into the outing of a covert CIA operative was "very serious," even as Republican allies started casting aspersions on the prosecutor and the possibility of perjury charges."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...401029_pf.html

Scowcroft Slams White House on Iraq War:
"Jeffrey Goldberg has written a critique in The New Yorker of the Bush White House that equals Ron Suskind's devastating critique of Bush before the last election titled 'Without a Doubt.'"
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001024.html

Grandpa h.

[zynner]

Bottom line: We KNOW Bush lied about the facts surrounding his reasons for going to war in Iraq.

Any congressman who pushes forward a way to shed light on what really is going on should be applauded, regardless of his personal and/or political motivations.

I would never vote for Kucinich for other reasons, but I support him in this inquiry.

~ zynner

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I really am surprised a Democrat could attempt such a thing. I'm sure they must know that if the whole web of lies comes out, they will certainly be implicated as well. The hijacking of the Presidency is far older than these NeoCon war mongers, far older. The usurpation of power goes hand in hand with the way this country has been run for many years. They are all guilty.

Well that particular Democrat would more accurately be described as a communist, so don't be that surprised MB.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Well that particular Democrat would more accurately be described as a communist, so don't be that surprised MB.

I guess if that sort of name calling is the best you can do, that is all you can offer.

Come on Patrick Fitzgerald. Let's see what you've got.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Kucinich was against the war from the start. Some people try to credit Howard Dean. Not so. Dennis K. didnt follow the herd. I agree with you that a lot of heads will roll, (more likely they'll just not be re-elected) if all complicity is exposed. Kucinich is one of the few with a soul. All the Dems who voted for the war, Should do what Dick Gephardt did ....Admit he was wrong.

Well, since I bet Kucinich's signature is on the Patroit Act, I bet he is not without blame for the problems we have here at home.


Since the Patriot Act is the single biggest treasonous act that has ever occurred in the U.S., and Congress all signed on the dotted line without even reading it, I say he is just as big a problem as the rest of them.


Allow me to present Pat Henry's astute observation in the form of a question.


Just who did write the Patriot Act?


I mean, Congress must know, right? Why else would they sign.


Until questions like this are answered, they all remain my enemies.

[gr8fuldaniel]

You bring up some good points. I didnt realize this:

Quote by: Milton Bradley Since the Patriot Act is the single biggest treasonous act that has ever occurred in the U.S., and Congress all signed on the dotted line without even reading it, I say he is just as big a problem as the rest of them.

I agree with you on that. We do have to remember the situation though. Those key Dems who spoke against the Act recieved love letters laced with ANTHRAX. Not everyone has the conviction to say "Give me Liberty or give me death", like one of our frequent visitors here has so aptly put it. There were only a handful who opposed it. If our congress critters arent willing to take a bullett for liberty, why should our troops?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel If our congress critters arent willing to take a bullett for liberty, why should our troops?

Principle?


I thought that liberty was what this country was all about.


Besides, I was talking more from a civilian perspective. We, as citizens, need to revolt against this type of tyranny

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Principle? I thought that liberty was what this country was all about.

Well, this country was founded on genocide and slavery.

Grandpa h.

[Osborn F Enready]

Grandpa said:
Well, this country was founded on genocide and slavery.

I say:
While I agree, and understand your point, things can only be made as right as time will allow. We cannot go back in time, but we can make it right with those who were wronged that still live, or their children. The Native American Indians got screwed, in many ways. I support them with my cigarrette purchases, and it also serves our mutual purpose of screwing the state out of their tax money.

It can be made right again. It only takes people, and perseverance. If it comes to guns, we should embrace it, since the line will finally be drawn. The American citizens have been getting robbed blind for years, to support wars and ideals they didn't even understand they were supporting, and many STILL don't know the policies they support with their extorted tax dollars. It is changing though, people ARE waking up. I only hope that I can partake in the revolt, should it come to that in my lifetime. I would gladly trade two pounds of my own flesh for the liberty and justice that has been stolen.

( I bet all the people that embrace peace and security over liberty and justice just cringed.)

[Livemike]

Quote by: grandpa Quote by: Milton Bradley Principle? I thought that liberty was what this country was all about. Well, this country was founded on genocide and slavery. Grandpa h.

Well no. It was founded on the principle of getting the hell away from those
madmen who governed Europe. The original settlers usually got on quite well
with the natives. It was only once government got substantial amounts of
power that the genocides happened.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Livemike Well no. It was founded on the principle of getting the hell away from those madmen who governed Europe. The original settlers usually got on quite well with the natives. It was only once government got substantial amounts of power that the genocides happened.

That may be true to an extent, but that doesn't mean genocide and slavery were not major parts of this country's development.

Grandpa h.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: grandpa That may be true to an extent, but that doesn't mean genocide and slavery were not major parts of this country's development. Grandpa h.

Indeed, but should the children suffer the sins of the Father? (leaving out Trust Fund Babies, as that is a whole seperate issue)


Doing the right thing has to start somewhere.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Indeed, but should the children suffer the sins of the Father? (leaving out Trust Fund Babies, as that is a whole seperate issue) Doing the right thing has to start somewhere.

Well, I'm not asking for anyone to suffer--but for people to constantly remember that when they claim this country was founded on ideas of liberty and freedom. Maybe for the first sons of white, Christian families.

Grandpa h.

[RickSp]

Quote by: grandpa Well, I'm not asking for anyone to suffer--but for people to constantly remember that when they claim this country was founded on ideas of liberty and freedom. Maybe for the first sons of white, Christian families. Grandpa h.

Applying 21st century standards to an 18th century revolution is ridiculous. Slavery was an institution as old as man in the 1700s and the mistreatment of indigenous peoples was in no way unique to the American republic. Saying this country was founded on "genocide and slavery" reflects either a lack of understanding of history or the willful distorting of the same.

[Milton Bradley]

Founded on the idea of ...


The genocide, and slavery happened after the establishment of the country, which was founded to escape tyrrany.


So, you are a liitle confused. The country was not founded to establish any of the things that you contend. These are merely ugly problems that developed after the inception of this country.