If you think the government came before the people, then I understand why your views are so screwy. It is impossible for the government to have existed prior to the people who created it. There is no simpler way of saying it. If you disagree with that, then you are talking nonsense.Quote by: Sonart
The concept in this thread has to do with a political government. Animals are not capable of engaging in politics. Alphas and betas, yes; politics, no. There is no point in debating that issue. You are just wrong, by definition.Like I said, even a pack of wolves has a government
Correct.Perhaps you're right, I'm making an assumption.
That's exactly why you do not understand the concepts in this thread. You have been duped into thinking that anarchy necessarily means "without rules or laws." Not the case. You are confusing the term "government," with the product of governments (laws).Perhaps you can demonstrate what you mean with an example of a successful society that functioned without a governing body or means to enforce it's laws.
What I'm saying is that people will always have methods of interacting with one another, and that includes rules of society. Further, I am saying that this political concept of "government," which is simply a monopoly of force within a particular area, might not necessarily be the best method of creating and enforcing those rules. This requires thinking outside the box.
Homeowners associations are an example of people making and enforcing rules. At this moment in time, government (political force) is the ultimate arbiter of such disputes. But that does not change the fact that the people figured out a way to organize themselves and create rules without the aid of any government.
An anarchic society would do the same thing, but a "government," as such, would not be the final arbiteur. The English common law was developed in this way.
I am not saying I think it is going to happen any time soon. I said that in previous posts. I was throwing out the idea to find out what people think.
You, like just about everybody else in today's society, have been led to believe certain things because you have been educated in goverment-controlled schools. One of those things you've been taught is that no society can possibly function without a political government. Interesting that government schools would teach that, huh?
The thing that surprises me the most in this thread is not your harsh reaction to these ideas. That was expected. I am surprised at how many people DO undertand what anarchy is and consider it, at least in concept. Whether or not you think much of it is irrelevant, since you don't seem to really understand it. But we all have our areas of interest.
These kinds of questions have been asked and answered. Search "anarcho-capitalism" and you will find how many people answer these questions.Apparently anyone that wants to. Who's going to stop them? You? Where are you going to get the tools for smithing? The materials? You gonna mine, smelt and forge your own steel, make your own gunpowder? Do you think a society capable of all those technologies could exist without a governing authority enforcing the civilization necessary for cooperative commerce?
The primary point is this: it's not so much a desire to get rid of the government; rather, it is a questioning of the concept of government, per se; is it really legit, or does it actually cause more harm than good?
Look at the 20th century. That period is the height of power of the nation-state (concentrated, powerful governments). More than 100,000,000 humans were slaughtered by various actions of governments during that one century alone. Human rights abuses happen far more frequently at the hands of government employees than by people who do not work for any government.
Anarchy is a debate about the vary nature of political government itself, and it's a questioning of whether or not there might be a better way -- some day. The free market figures out how to feed people. The free market (mostly) figured out the English common law system. Perhaps the free market is a better way than political government, ultimately, for people to organize, settle disputes, and generally do things that today is handled by the force of government.
That's all the conversation is really about.
But, hey, it's not your thing.
Yeah, we get it.