Do statists suffer from Stockholm Syndrome?

[forecg]

If you favor having a powerful central government (whether it exercises this power in the either the economic or social spheres or both), is it because:

a) objective arguments lead you to honestly believe that such a system is better for you than voluntary transactions, or

b) we have had such a system for so long that you've formed an emotional attachment to it and will support it regardless of whether or not you objectively think it's for the best?

what about the reverse? that dissatisfaction with our current givernment has lead to an honest belief that no government at all is better?

is that called retards syndrome?

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
what about the reverse? that dissatisfaction with our current givernment has lead to an honest belief that no government at all is better?

is that called retards syndrome?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

For some it might be, and probably is. I'm not asking about anarchists, though. I want to understand why some people tend to get emotional when they're trying to defend an arguement in favor of central authority.

[tusaki]

A government is better than no government.. Organized, controlled groups of people are better than unorganized, uncontrolled masses.

[Mathieu]

For almost the same reason that the people in favor of an irealist anarchist utopia get emotional when they try to bring some logic into their tripe.

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,)
A government is better than no government.. Organized, controlled groups of people are better than unorganized, uncontrolled masses.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

This appears to be a position against any positions in favor of total anarchy, but that doesn't necessarily make it statist, and it doesn't answer the orginal question.

i think the reason pro-state people get worked up, if because most progovernment is anatrual state of being we dont usually have a stance until we are forced into taking one by anarchists. We naturally assume and quite rightly that whether or not there is a givernment isnt even an issue

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
For almost the same reason that the people in favor of an irealist anarchist utopia get emotional when they try to bring some logic into their tripe.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
ROTFLMAO!!

So now logic is emotion? Orwell would be proud, Mat!

[tusaki]

I'm not a statist. but. a) would be my answer I guess. I'm sorry if I presumed b) would lead to the conclusion of anarchy.

[tusaki]

Lightbearer: I'm sorry, but so far you have only logically proven that logic can be used to cloud issues and make any sensible discussing impossible.

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,)
For almost the same reason that the people in favor of an irealist anarchist utopia get emotional when they try to bring some logic into their tripe.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Okay, okay, I think we can all agree that anarchists are frequently unrealistic. That doesn't prove they ALL are, though, and it really doesn't have anything to do with this topic.

Is there anyone who favors a strong central authority who can make an argument without attacking anarchists?

a central government is so basic an idea its like saying anyone in favor of eating meat and vegatables to maintain life

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
a central government is so basic an idea its like saying anyone in favor of eating meat and vegatables to maintain life<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't explicit enough. When I said "strong central authority" I meant "stronger than it is now", not "strong enough to avoid being completely and utterly superflous".

well its pretty strong right now, so anything stronger would seem a big extremist, and this extremist would be similar to the unthinking false logic the anarchists love

[tusaki]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (forecg)
I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't explicit enough. When I said "strong central authority" I meant "stronger than it is now", not "strong enough to avoid being completely and utterly superflous". <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Funny, I dont really see that many statist on this forum, so how should they reply? :)

yanno i came here to discuss politics not defend government to pissed off virgins and wannabe commune bunnies that dont like to pay taxes

there is alot of world out there where u can live and get away with not paying taxes

kinda build yourself a boat (because all anarchists are responsible and capable humans) aim it towards tahiti and dont come back

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
yanno i came here to discuss politics not defend government to pissed off virgins and wannabe commune bunnies that dont like to pay taxes

there is alot of world out there where u can live and get away with not paying taxes

kinda build yourself a boat (because all anarchists are responsible and capable humans) aim it towards tahiti and dont come back<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I came here to discuss politics too, not to listen to people rant about questions that aren't being asked or complain about anarchists.

well you are an anarchist and even if you arent you make a question like this and you expect something?

THIS is what anarchy is like!
excellent illustration

[forecg]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
well you are an anarchist and even if you arent you make a question like this and you expect something?

THIS is what anarchy is like!
excellent illustration<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

How can you be so sure I'm an anarchist just because I ask whether or not people have formed a strong emotional bond to the idea of a powerful centralized state? Disorder is the _last_ thing I'd want - I'm just trying to understand why some people seem so strongly attached to a single particular type of order.

[tusaki]

You both have a point. (I love being in the middle). This is the x-th thread about anarchy, so why dont we make a seperate forum for that... But you shouldn't bitch about a topic, just ignore it or don't reply.