Iraqi Vote Unlikely to End Bloodshed, etc.

[grandpa]

I want to scare the hell out of the rest of the world.
– General Colin Powell



Iraq Count Now Points To 'Yes':
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in541815.shtml

Iraqi Vote Unlikely to End Bloodshed:
http://www.sundayherald.com/52292

[this is a "no duh" sort of article, but it's still something to consider]

Report: IRA Bombs Killed Eight British Soldiers in Iraq:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/uls...icle320004.ece

[This is a strange one--this makes the matter even more complicated]

Grandpa h.

[Jack]

At this point in time, Grandpa h., I agree with your assessment. I suspect the constitution just gives the separate groups more to fight over than it will bring them together. I'd like to be wrong, but I don't see the dove of peace suddenly deciding to settle down in that region now that there's a constitution proposed.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Isherwood At this point in time, Grandpa h., I agree with your assessment. I suspect the constitution just gives the separate groups more to fight over than it will bring them together. I'd like to be wrong, but I don't see the dove of peace suddenly deciding to settle down in that region now that there's a constitution proposed.

Yes, and when you're being occupied by a powerful country such as ours, obviously independence is going to be limited. Until we leave, we are the Iraqi government. And until the insurgency is greatly reduced, the Iraqi government won't necessarily be a popular one.

Grandpa h.

[Zealot]

Quote by: grandpa Yes, and when you're being occupied by a powerful country such as ours, obviously independence is going to be limited. Until we leave, we are the Iraqi government. And until the insurgency is greatly reduced, the Iraqi government won't necessarily be a popular one. Grandpa h.

Sorry grampa....

But you say it all wrong. It looks like you deliberately want to make America look bad so now say it correctly. Big America is and has set the Iraqi people free from a monster and they are now struggling to be free just like you are dear gramps. Does it hurt you to say something nice about the land you say you love?

Zealot

[Trotsky]

Quote by: grandpa Yes, and when you're being occupied by a powerful country such as ours, obviously independence is going to be limited. Until we leave, we are the Iraqi government. And until the insurgency is greatly reduced, the Iraqi government won't necessarily be a popular one. Grandpa h.

Jesus the Provo's are now suppling Muslim fundamentalists...what next, trading on the stock exchange as arms dealership companies?

[Allas]

Quote by: grandpa I want to scare the hell out of the rest of the world. – General Colin Powell Grandpa h.

You might want to add the context in which Powell said that.

It was regarding US military power prior to the gulf war in '91.

[Zealot]

Quote by: Allas You might want to add the context in which Powell said that. It was regarding US military power prior to the gulf war in '91.

I don't think gramps is too interested in the truth, he just seems to want to put America down. He had one of those professors too, I guess!

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Isherwood I suspect the constitution just gives the separate groups more to fight over than it will bring them together. I'd like to be wrong, but I don't see the dove of peace suddenly deciding to settle down in that region now that there's a constitution proposed.

I agree, while it could work in both ways.
The new Iraqi Constitution opens up the new path for the Iraqi government :
- new Iraqi Law

If established properly and put into effect, (that Iraqi Law) would create new mechanisms, in order to influence the whole Iraqi population.

I expect al-Sadr (and alike) to face its final confrontation (and its defeat) against the new Iraqi Constitution and the Law (regardless what it actually may represent, in reality).
In case of a civil war, North along with South will dominate Iraq, and that outcome most likely cause the following :
- Sunni to join and accept the new Iraqi Constitution and the Law
The reason :
- no party is going to give up the oil fields along with an access to the sea (read : Persian Gulf), at all costs.

[RickSp]

On the day of the voting six American soldiers died. It was barely reported in the US press.

Having a strong Sunni block feeling entirely disenfranched will lead to continued violence and more death. The US presence is part of the problem not the solution. The longer we stay the less legitimacy the government of Iraq will have.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Zealot Sorry grampa.... But you say it all wrong. It looks like you deliberately want to make America look bad so now say it correctly. Big America is and has set the Iraqi people free from a monster and they are now struggling to be free just like you are dear gramps. Does it hurt you to say something nice about the land you say you love? Zealot

I actually never claimed to love America, or any other country.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Zealot I don't think gramps is too interested in the truth, he just seems to want to put America down. He had one of those professors too, I guess!

America is hurting its own image with its expansionism. I'm merely pointing that out.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: RickSp On the day of the voting six American soldiers died. It was barely reported in the US press.

That's because soldiers are expendable to the government, by definition.

Grandpa h.