Culling the Herd

[gr8fuldaniel]

Worse than Frankenstein.
Reviving a virus that killed 50 million people, and its in the hands of morally bankrupt profiteers. Politicians and Pharmaceutical Corps. A deadly soup.

Experts Unlock Clues to Spread of 1918 Flu Virus The New York Times October 6, 2005 By Gina Kolata (gr8fuldaniels Note: I wonder if her parents were drunks ) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/06/he...html?th&emc=th <snip> "This is huge, huge, huge," said John Oxford, a professor of virology at St. Bartholomew's and the Royal London Hospital who was not part of the research team. "It's a huge breakthrough to be able to put a searchlight on a virus that killed 50 million people. I can't think of anything bigger that's happened in virology for many years." The scientists painstakingly traced the genetic sequence, synthesized the virus using tools of molecular biology, and infected mice and human lung cells with it in a secure laboratory at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The research is being published in the journals Nature and Science.

What if the CDC were infected with an agenda shift?

Like if the CDC were in the pocket of the Pharmaceutical industry ?(CDC Locks Up Flu Data)

When a deadly pathogen is detected at DC peace march, its waved off as a natural occurance by DHS.

Tularemia agent found in DC air, but no cases seen Oct 3, 2005 (CIDRAP News) – Several air sensors detected traces of the tularemia pathogen on the Capitol Mall in Washington, DC, Sep 24 and 25, but no cases of illness have been reported among people who were in the area at the time, according to health officials. In a Sep 30 message to health agencies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said environmental air monitors in the Capitol Mall "signaled the low level presence of Francisella tularensis," the bacterium that causes tularemia. The microbe is one of the six agents considered most likely to be used by terrorists as a biological weapon. But Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said the pathogen probably was a natural occurrence and not the result of bioterrorism, according to a Washington Post report.

Goddammit this is listed as one of the top 6 bio-weapons.
Why are they tipping their hand with this kind of .....they WANT us to be terrorized.

How could this be a natural occurance? Remember bush was safely tucked away in the Colorado mountains, and Democratic Congress critters were ordered, not to appear at the Peace Rally. There were Above Top Secret war games on the Capital Mall that same day. Were they testing a Bio-Weapon delivery system? Crop Duster Flyovers would have been suspect, at least, in the "No-Fly Zone". We can state the obvious. This was a terror attack on American soil, against Americans, and if there is no investigation (like they are really going to investigate themselves) we can assume the worst. If they kill the dissenters, no need for those stupid "Free Speech Cages", anymore.
Who stands to gain more than the CPIM (Corporate-Political-Industrial-Military Complex) ?

If they poison all those who overtly oppose "The Agenda", who can stop them?
Who will utter a discouraging word?

AMPP: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/eden/depopulation.html

Remember when all the top microbiologists started dropping like flies? (Who’s Killing the World’s Microbiologists?)

US Mulls Federal Troops For Bird Flu Quarantine Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:10 PM ET By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon is looking at the possibility of using federal troops to enforce a quarantine in the event of an outbreak of pandemic bird flu in the United States, a senior official said on Wednesday. President George W. Bush said last week he would consider using the military to "effect a quarantine" in response to any outbreak of avian influenza, but provided few details. Bush at the time also suggested he might place National Guard troops, normally commanded by state governors, under federal control as part of the government's response to the "catastrophe" of such a flu pandemic.

The most dense populations will be hit first. Will you be jumping on the trains "For Your Own Good"?

Compare:
God tells Bush to attack Iraq (The oil is under their sand)
God tells Bush to attack/contain you (The flu is under your skin.)
Dont get on the trains, my friends
Dont get on the trains
Dont get on the trains
Dont get on the trains
If a powerful schizophrenic, on Americas throne, with a direct line to God decides your city should be destroyed as a punishment for their sins. The delusions are nothing new with agressive acts of murder/evil and passive acts of negligence/feined incompetance, the result of which culminated in the deaths of thousands.

Empire building is a bloody enterprise.

Whaddya think?

[tinybear]

I think we should stock up on Tamiflu.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: tinybear I think we should stock up on Tamiflu

More likely we will be hit with a non-curable flu virus. What if its Plague? If the science is available to revive the 1918 strain, why not ancient virus's and plagues. Or a particularly nasty carcinogen?

The current panic is prolly just a marketing scheme.

Bird Flu is not really much of a problem, it has never been transmitted from person to person. Not really weapons grade if its non-transferrable.

[SteveA]

Quote by: tinybear I think we should stock up on Tamiflu.

I'm certain it's patented. Maybe they'd sell it as free public information. It would likely do more good in that form.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree Daniel.

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel More likely we will be hit with a non-curable flu virus. What if its Plague? If the science is available to revive the 1918 strain, why not ancient virus's and plagues. Or a particularly nasty carcinogen? The current panic is prolly just a marketing scheme. Bird Flu is not really much of a problem, it has never been transmitted from person to person. Not really weapons grade if its non-transferrable.

Daniel:
The current strain of Avian flu has already been transferred to humans in China. I saw an interview with a Chinese Doctor about it on Sunday who confirmed the documentation. He stated it will spread quickly in the overcrowded cities of Asia. It is a mattter of time before it goes west. I don't know about the current panic probably being a market scheme, but it is real, and needs to be dealt with soon.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Thanx Os

The stage is set for Bubonic Plague in New Jersey....... Mice infected with deadly plague are missing in N.J.

If these Rats fell into the wrong hands, how fast can this disease be bred for distribution? The rats were missing 3 weeks before this was reported a month ago.

The weapon delivery system will likely be fleas which can hitch a ride on your best friend. Doubtless, again, the primary target areas will be the metropolis near you.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: brien Daniel: The current strain of Avian flu has already been transferred to humans in China.

I know it has been transmitted to humans. FROM Birds to Humans. Has there been a case of Human to Human transmission yet? Source?

EDIT:
See this: WHO Watching for Human-to-Human Transmission of Bird Flu Virus

[gr8fuldaniel]

I dont know if this is good or not.



Remember what happened to the last guy he said this to!

[northtexan]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel More likely we will be hit with a non-curable flu virus. What if its Plague? If the science is available to revive the 1918 strain, why not ancient virus's and plagues. Or a particularly nasty carcinogen? The current panic is prolly just a marketing scheme. Bird Flu is not really much of a problem, it has never been transmitted from person to person. Not really weapons grade if its non-transferrable.

The 1918 flu was a bird flu. It doesn't take much mutation to jump to infecting humans; and not much more to evolve into a human-transmittable virus. The recreation of the 1918 virus COULD serve us by providing more information about such viruses. On the other hand, trusting to that DOES entail trusting the government under the current administration -- something that I am loathe to do. They might well decide to use it to create a bioweapon.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: northtexan The 1918 flu was a bird flu. It doesn't take much mutation to jump to infecting humans; and not much more to evolve into a human-transmittable virus. The recreation of the 1918 virus COULD serve us by providing more information about such viruses. On the other hand, trusting to that DOES entail trusting the government under the current administration -- something that I am loathe to do. They might well decide to use it to create a bioweapon.

I agree with all that.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: northtexan On the other hand, trusting to that DOES entail trusting the government under the current administration -- something that I am loathe to do. They might well decide to use it to create a bioweapon.

Or just release the Genome to the internet so it can be reproduced.

NY TIMES October 17, 2005 Op-Ed Contributors Recipe for Destruction By RAY KURZWEIL and BILL JOY AFTER a decade of painstaking research, federal and university scientists have reconstructed the 1918 influenza virus that killed 50 million people worldwide. Like the flu viruses now raising alarm bells in Asia, the 1918 virus was a bird flu that jumped directly to humans, the scientists reported. To shed light on how the virus evolved, the United States Department of Health and Human Services published the full genome of the 1918 influenza virus on the Internet in the GenBank database. This is extremely foolish. The genome is essentially the design of a weapon of mass destruction. No responsible scientist would advocate publishing precise designs for an atomic bomb, and in two ways revealing the sequence for the flu virus is even more dangerous. First, it would be easier to create and release this highly destructive virus from the genetic data than it would be to build and detonate an atomic bomb given only its design, as you don't need rare raw materials like plutonium or enriched uranium. Synthesizing the virus from scratch would be difficult, but far from impossible. An easier approach would be to modify a conventional flu virus with the eight unique and now published genes of the 1918 killer virus. Second, release of the virus would be far worse than an atomic bomb. Analyses have shown that the detonation of an atomic bomb in an American city could kill as many as one million people. Release of a highly communicable and deadly biological virus could kill tens of millions, with some estimates in the hundreds of millions. MORE.....

Now we dont know who will be the next mass murderer, a common flu virus can be turned into a WMD much more deadly than a Nuke.

And blame Osama.........booga boooga

[gr8fuldaniel]

More "Culling the Herd"
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I am aware of 3 seperate reports of levee sabotage.
The sources are not "mainstream", but worth a look-see......
A)

Farrakhan: Levee May Have Been Bombed To Flood Black People WLKY News POSTED: 8:58 am EDT October 14, 2005 WASHINGTON -- Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan said it's up to the government to prove that a levee wasn't bombed to flood poor black people out of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Farrakhan said he's heard that military explosives may have been used to blow a hole in the levee, resulting in what he said would amount to "mass murder." Quoting the Bible and the Quran, The Rev. Farrakhan said he suspects there was a government conspiracy behind the New Orleans flooding, but is confident that God will reveal the truth.

B)

Bella Ciao Report from the Houston Astrodome... 10:23: Joel just got removed. Almost arrested. Fox News is down on the floor. I’m in dome, hiding in seats. They’re allowing some media on the floor, not others. 10:31 Just met members of the Polish press, they are being stopped from entering floor. Says this is like the former USSR. 10:57 Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee : "The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city... to keep the French Quarter protected, the ninth ward was sacrificed... people are afraid to speak out... everyone who was near there heard the bombings... they bombed seven times. That’s why they didn’t fix the levees... 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life. A six year old girl was raped in here.. 9 year old boy killed. A man in the shower beaten. No hot food. No help for elderly." Another evacuee: "Over 20 rapes per night happening inside this place. They bring in national guard for media purposes. Bush wants us to stay here to raise his ratings. Some workers are stealing the good stuff, like shoes." 11:16: Rough transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee, male: "We are treated like prisoners here. Placed under mandatory curfew. We are citizens!" 11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed "bomb sounds," believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate. Evacuee: "They blew the levee to save the city..." Saying a barge broke the levee. She is from St. Bernard Parish. "More expensive places were saved at the expense of the neighborhoods that aren’t as valuable... Rebuilding Bourbon Street matters more to the government... that’s what mattered to Governor Blanco..."

C)

Explosive residue found on levee debris http://www.total411.info/ <Note: This article is not available on home page of total411, you will have to search. I found this snippet HERE> New Orleans, LA -- Divers inspecting the ruptured levee walls surrounding New Orleans found something that piqued their interest: Burn marks on underwater debris chunks from the broken levee wall! One diver, a member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, saw the burn marks and knew immediately what caused them. He secreted a small chunk of the cement inside his diving suit and later arranged for it to be sent to trusted military friends at a The U.S. Army Forensic Laboratory at Fort Gillem, Georgia for testing. According to well-placed sources, a military forensic specialist determined the burn marks on the cement chunks did, in fact, come from high explosives. The source, speaking on condition of anonymity said, "We found traces of boron-enhanced fluoronitramino explosives as well as PBXN-111. This would indicate at least two separate types of explosive devices."

Have you heard any credible reports of this kind of foul play?
What are the odds of the Army Corps Of Engineers releasing a report, even if its true?

[gr8fuldaniel]

I meant to add this to my last post

WCNC News "I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater under the levee breach. It may have been blown up to destroy the black part of town." [...] Some evacuees who spoke to 6NEWS said they support Farrakhan and his look into what happened in New Orleans and other affected areas.

This could explain why the levee was never repaired. Why eliminate a scapegoat?

[PatrickHenry]

This kind of stuff is unacceptable to mainsteam America. They choke when evidence of non-Islamic evil is presented. The authorities hurting and killing citizens? That could NEVER happen!

But I give it credence, just like I know the elections were stolen...

[Logjam]

Quote by: northtexan The 1918 flu was a bird flu.

No, the flu of 1918 was the "swine" flu. It did mutate from a strain in animals and move to infect humans. It also killed more folks than did the Black Death in the 13th century.

Somehow the swine flu mutated to a point where it wasn't attacking people anymore.

Certainly this new flu could mutate to a variety that is dangerous to people. I heard a doc say last night on TV that it kills about half of the people it infects. If we do get this new flu it'll make AIDS seem like a bad cold in comparison.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Logjam the flu of 1918 was the "swine" flu

A bit of fact to contradict Jammy's customary disinformation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Flu

The Spanish Flu Pandemic, also known as the Great Influenza Pandemic, the 1918 Flu Epidemic and La Grippe, was an unusually severe and deadly strain of avian influenza, a viral infectious disease, that killed some 25 million to 50 million people worldwide in 1918 and 1919. It is thought to have been one of the most deadly pandemics so far in human history. It was caused by the H1N1 type of flu virus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H1N1

H1N1 is an influenza type of the A genus (avian influenza) of the virus family Orthomyxoviridae. A variant of H1N1 was responsible for the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 that killed between 25 and 50 million people worldwide. Responsible for several outbreaks among pig populations, Influenza A (H1N1) continues to circulate after being reintroduced to the human population in the 1970s.

So, it is a "bird flu" or avian influenza, which also afflicts pig populations, likely leading to Jammy's mistake on the nomenclature...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry The authorities hurting and killing citizens?

But what if it were a domestic (KKK or Neo Nazi) attack? Wouldnt that deserve an investigation? How do we know charges were NOT set the night before the 'cane?

I cant shake the visual of gwbush leaving Crawford the day before the 'cane. Something tells me that you cant take the fascination with destruction out of a delinquent.

A) Bush pumps fist, “feels good” as attack on Iraq begins. LINK

B) Blowing up frogs

C) and is responsible for the deaths of more prisoners (canned hunt) than any other governor in Texas history 154 Killed. Thats not much less than Tim McVeigh - 168 killed

Its impossible to count the innocent lives he has ended in the last few years. I wonder how he FEELS about it?

[speculation]Bush may have insisted on planting the charges on the levees himself [/speculation]

[northtexan]

Quote by: Logjam No, the flu of 1918 was the "swine" flu. It did mutate from a strain in animals and move to infect humans. It also killed more folks than did the Black Death in the 13th century.

I understood that following the reconstruction of the flu, it was discovered to be a bird flu. Well, as I understand it, the farm in Kansas it came from raised both pigs and chickens.

Its success at killing was aided by wartime censorship and military stupidity, which undermined effective public health efforts to control it. Come to think of it, the current Administration is likely to repeat all of the mistakes made by the WWI governments.

Why was it called the 'Spanish Flu'? It started in Kansas, not in Spain. But Spain was not a combatant nation in WWI, so did not have wartime censorship. Accordingly, the Spanish media reported the horrible things happening there, while the combatant nations' media did not report what happened in their countries, but were free to report on what was going on in Spain. So in the media, it appeared that all of the suffering and dying from the flu was going on in Spain. Yes, people elsewhere experienced the horrible flu, but experienced it as a local phenomenon -- whereas in Spain it was reported as a national phenomenon. No internet then to puncture the media blackout.

Somehow the swine flu mutated to a point where it wasn't attacking people anymore. Certainly this new flu could mutate to a variety that is dangerous to people. I heard a doc say last night on TV that it kills about half of the people it infects. If we do get this new flu it'll make AIDS seem like a bad cold in comparison.

[Logjam]

Quote by: PatrickHenry A bit of fact to contradict Jammy's customary disinformation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Flu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H1N1 So, it is a "bird flu" or avian influenza, which also afflicts pig populations, likely leading to Jammy's mistake on the nomenclature...

All data that I have read said that the flu started in Fort Riley, Kansas. Troops took it from the barn yard to the trenches. Furthermore it was thought for years that the strain was gone. Read last week that it has been found, I guess from tissue taken from cadavers.

But, my source is just my memory.

You want to call it the Spanish flu I guess I'm not going to argue. It is noteworthy that the flu killed something like 40 million folks.

BTW: Have you found a way to blame this bird flu on Bush yet?