Bush's Speech

[Osborn F Enready]

Bush said:
"The terrorists are trying to blackmail us into isolationism."

I say:
How can the terrorists blackmail us into sticking to our ORIGINAL INTENTIONS? :confused: One of the greatest Presidential speeches in our history, made by one of the most noble leaders we have ever had, spoke out on the dangers of entangling alliances, which both major parties have STRIVED to emplace, and enforce in nations all around the world. At the time Washington made his speech about economic freedom, and foreign policy isolationism, we had military bases in NO foreign countries, now we have over 700 bases around the world, the majority of them in OTHER COUNTRIES. It seems to me, both major parties have striven for a FOCUS on entangling alliances, and creating most of the mess we are dealing with today. We were never meant to even have a standing army, let alone an International Standind Army that serves as a global police force. :rolleyes:

Bush said:
"None of us must question the triumphs of the Iraqi people."

I say:
And according to you sir, we must also not question the integrity of our own system, its leaders, its decisions and actions. You advocate the use of free speech zones both in public institutions, and also for political rallies, when the entire nation is technically a free speech zone. You only attend debates with other politicians if the field has been isolated to only the major party canidates, in fear of having to take a stance on issues that were not consulted BEFORE the debate. You yourself, claim to be a "tool" of liberty, yet at every chance, you seek to remove liberty from your own people. :rolleyes:

Bush said:
"Democratic Federalism is the best system to right the wrongs of a people who were previously forced to endure tyranny."

I say:
Oh yes, Strong Centralized government that has the motto of protect the majority, burn the minority is a great system of reform. 51% of the people are all that matters, the other 49% are not equal, nor should they be treated so, right? :confused:

Bush said:
"Liberty, once chosen, improves the lives of all."

I say:
So then sir, why is it that you are secretly pursuing several actions to restrict that liberty of your own people, through legal and illegal means? Why are you an outspoken advocate for the most limiting document ever passed into law, with respect to liberty of the individual? (the Patriot Act) Why is it that you condemn rebellion in your own ranks, but encourage it in others, who have many of the same faults as yours?

Bush said:
"I hope the enemy tires of fanatacism and murder."

I say:
I find that hard to believe, since you are causing much of the same, and a supporter of both.

Bush said:
"Extremists are not freedom fighters, or patriots."

I say:
Nor are criminals, so when are you coming forward to allow the handcuffs and the firing squad for your high crimes?

Bush said:
"Self determination is the birthplace of liberty."

I say:
So how do you claim that the Iraqi's had this thing you call "SELF" determination, when it was our money, our soldiers, our weapons, our planning, that created the quaqmire in Iraq?
If Iraqi's had SELF determination to strive for liberty, and democratic government, they would have had a REVOLT, not a LIBERATION BY FORCE FROM ANOTHER NATION, that at least 30% of the people of that nation DON'T support. Also, I don't want to hear about the Kurdish rebellion that WE HELPED FOSTER, and then turned our backs as Saddam used chemical weapons that he very well could have obtained from us to quell the rebellion.

Bush said:
"Extremists claim that murder is justified, in attaining the goals of their grand vision."

I say:
So, is this an admission to being an extremist?

Bush said:
"We don't know the course of our own struggle."

I say:
That point is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, but thank you for showing your grand vision of leadership. Ignorance and failure to grasp reality, are highly under-rated.

[Milton Bradley]

Many good points. As you know, I happen to agree to each point made.


The real question is this.


How many other people watching this "speech" noticed how many of theses same behaviors Bush shares with his ideaological opponents?


Seemed like a great big Pot calling the Kettle black speech to me, as I fail to see any difference whatsoever between the behavior of Bush, and that of Osama. I was waiting for Osama, or Saddam to come out from behind the curtain so they could do the Who's on First routine.

[Rainbow]

Osborn F Enready, that Bush's speech was about whether Iraqi accept its new Constitution along with a following process and outcomes, that would allow you not to spend more money due to the price for oil.
Bush gambles (in his speech), trying to encourage Iraqi people to vote "yes" for new Iraqi Constitution (regardless what that Constitution regulates along with its potential results, in reality), while asking American People for patinece, in the same time.

[SteveA]

As I'm sure you know, you're singing to choir, Osborn.

Bush said:
"Democratic Federalism is the best system to right the wrongs of a people who were previously forced to endure tyranny."

I doubt Bush understands federalism, or at least his first Supreme Court judicial appointee doesn't, and I believe the second won't either. (It amazes me that people fall for some believe that it's inappropriate to question these people before putting them on the bench. They'll have more power over their lifetime than many presidents have exersized, you'd expect their political views would be front page, center)

[Scribbler1]

I figure the speech was probably successful, owing to the fact that the sheep love a good slogan regardless of it's truth, and stop listening immediately after they hear it. They have heard all they need to hear.

[bishop]

gotta love how one of the other excuses for war (when the wmd and 9/11 links arguments were proven to be lies) is that it's "better to fight them over there than here at home"...

especially since we STILL have terror warnings here at home.. i thought this bullshit war was supposed to make our country safer?

[Scribbler1]

This just in...

New York Police Commisioner says there is a credible threat (and the most credible so far, I think) of an attack on some form of public transportation.

Why don't these people stay in Iraq where Bush says they are?



Does anyone else find it odd that this pops up the same day Bush gives his waste-of-airtime speech on this very subject?

[zynner]

That's some good stuff, Osborn. Some of these statements are good examples of how the government aristocrats use mind control...

"The terrorists are trying to blackmail us into isolationism."

"Terrorist" allows me to wear the white cowboy hat, leaving you with the black one. "Isolationism" is a dirty word, according to GW, or he wouldn't have used it. How about "non-interventionism?" After all, it is the interventionist foreign policy that lead to 9/11 and all the rest. Obviously, this line shows that Bush knows the real reason, which means he lies when he talks about "they hate us for our freedom" (which Bush seems to want to destroy).

"None of us must question the triumphs of the Iraqi people."

Don't question! Whatever you do, don't question! This is a subtle psychological tactic.

"Democratic Federalism is the best system to right the wrongs of a people who were previously forced to endure tyranny."

Does anybody else notice how strongly these bozos keep harping on and on about DEMOCRACY??? They never, ever talk about a constitutional republic or limited government. Never. I think this is a mandate from the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) to always mention the word "democracy" as the ultimate end of any political discussion. It's just too much of a coincidence that they all do it.

"I hope the enemy tires of fanatacism and murder."

Always, always, always paint the other guy as less than human. Doesn't matter if you're doing the same thing he is, paint him as the next Hitler (who did the same thing, of course).

"Extremists are not freedom fighters, or patriots."

White hat, black hat.

"Self determination is the birthplace of liberty."

Again, he's back to democracy (self-determination). Actually, LIMITED GOVERNMENT is the only means of LIBERTY. Democracy does not guarantee liberty and usually destroys it.

Democracy is only a method of casting votes. A dictator could cast all the votes and yet the people could be free. It is only the limitation on government itself that can ensure liberty.

Hell, the founders didn't allow the people to cast votes for the president. That was done through the Electoral College -- and most women didn't vote. Yet the people had liberty (not including the slaves, of course).

"Extremists claim that murder is justified, in attaining the goals of their grand vision."

"Extremists" and "murder" are interesting words coming from this guy. But, hey, how else to whip up a frenzy among the masses, eh? Use lots of colorful emotional words. Don't provide any evidence. Just work the emotion angle.

"We don't know the course of our own struggle."

It's a "struggle," so YOU will have to "sacrifice" (but not me or the government).

All this from the guy who brought us the "Department for Homeland Security." Can anybody guess what the initials K.G.B. stood for in the old USSR?

~ zynner

[RickSp]

As Goebbels said:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Bush has the first part down cold, but has failed to shield the American public from "the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie." So now he is just repeating himself while fewer and fewer believe him. The consequences, be they the lack of National Guardsmen to respond to a hurricane or a credbile threat to the New York subway, are just too great to ignore.

[SteveA]

"Self determination is the birthplace of liberty."

I think he got this one right. The problem is the hypocracy. On the one hand this is admitted but on the other hand, when people in Iraq differ from administration objectives, we resolve the issue by ignoring their rights of self-determination.

Self-determination would seem to imply people in Iraq make decisions for themselves instead of people in the U.S. making decisions for people in Iraq.

[zynner]

Another quote:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.

But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

- Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg trials

I'm out. Catch ya later.

~ zynner

[Milton Bradley]

This just in...

New York Police Commisioner says there is a credible threat (and the most credible so far, I think) of an attack on some form of public transportation.

Why don't these people stay in Iraq where Bush says they are?



Does anyone else find it odd that this pops up the same day Bush gives his waste-of-airtime speech on this very subject?

Sign me up to that list Sir.


P.S. Just yesterday the media made reference to Bush making a connection from 9/11, to Iraq, and they stated that there was a connection to this incident.


I never saw any tie to Iraq in Bush's speech, and I don't hear the press hyping up the tie to Iraq from this alleged terrorist threat in New York, post speech anyway.