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Mar 6, 2004, 06:16 pm

dangerous activites by criminals, specifically crimes that hard others.

Mar 6, 2004, 06:18 pm

but i suppose if a person is robbing a bank we should let them go and hope they have enough sense of civic duty to give up

because otherwise i dunno what u think will happen

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:20 pm

The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law:

__1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage."

__2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance."

--Jackney Sneeb

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law:

__1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage."

__2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance."

--Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

PS - #2 is the rationale for cops carrying guns.

Mar 6, 2004, 06:23 pm

we call that negative reinforcement
(1) isnt the death threat. stay with it man!

(2) regardless those kinds of measures only occur if you are acriminal
forgive me if im not sympathetic to anyone breaking the law

(a) why are you breaking the law?
(b) if you are caught, why are you resisting arrest?
© crime doesnt pay

Mar 6, 2004, 06:24 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law:

__1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage."

__2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance."

--Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

PS - #2 is the rationale for cops carrying guns.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

jack baby i read ALL of the answers in that poll u posted above
and im not impresed that you can parrot it back to me as a response

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
we call that negative reinforcement
(1) isnt the death threat. stay with it man!

(2) . . .<hr size="1" /></blockquote> . . .is a threat.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
(a) why are you breaking the law?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Irrelevant to the threat you admit you're making.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
(b) if you are caught, why are you resisting arrest?
© crime doesnt pay<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
You just tried to justify making a death threat against someone merely for breaking a "law." Now, the "law" might be righteous, or it might not. It is irrelevant to the fact that you're admitting that you advocate threats of death against someone breaking a law. This is symptomatic of state-worship - the idea that guns are lethal, dangerous, and should be controlled when in the hands of civilians, yet they somehow become benign and NON-threatening when in the hands of the "authorities." Despite all the senseless slaughter of human beings last century on the part of the state, some people can still say with a straight face, "the state doesn't make death threats." When confronted by the evidence, they resort to, "well why were you disobeying the state?" As if that makes their previous denial of reality somehow plausible.

If I say, "Keep off my property, or I'll shoot," that's a threat. It's a righteous threat, to be sure -- it's still a threat. If you say, "Don't grow a plant I don't approve of or I'll lock you in a cage, and if you resist I'll shoot," it's just as real a threat. It may not be righteous, in which case I have a right to ignore, disobey, and shoot back in self defense. The "law" is no different from my threat or yours.

--Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:45 pm

i have a question, how do you anarchists enforce law??

Mar 6, 2004, 06:46 pm

in this world after the government goes away
how?

how do you anarchists enforce law??

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
i have a question, how do you anarchists enforce law??<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I don't believe in laws. I enforce self-defense. I would use whatever force necessary, even guns. I don't pretend guns aren't a deadly threat against bad guys.

--Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:48 pm

i see so women must protect themsleves? and children? or must i give them guns also?

Mar 6, 2004, 06:49 pm

sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers

oh wait, ther was aterm for that..what was it called again...
umm...
oh yeah! the dark ages!

yeah those were good times!

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
i see so women must protect themsleves? and children? or must i give them guns also?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
It's up to you.

911 is not the bad-guy-disable code. The police aren't magical fairies that come between you and an assailant at a moment's notice. And the police use guns. Why should you use anything less while waiting for them to arrive?

--Jackney Sneeb

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 06:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Not where I live.

--Jackney Sneeb

"An armed society is a polite society"
--Robert Heinlein

Mar 6, 2004, 06:57 pm

no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes (yes i used many)
like i told your clone lightbringer
some people will act in their best interests as the sacrifice of others if there is noting enforcing civility

Mar 6, 2004, 06:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Not where I live.

--Jackney Sneeb

"An armed society is a polite society"
--Robert Heinlein<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

thats cause you DONT live there baby! you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 07:02 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Proof? In fact, the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect you from anyone.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
some people will act in their best interests as the sacrifice of others if there is noting enforcing civility<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
That's my argument for an armed populace. Thanks for your assistance.

--Jackney Sneeb

Jackney Sneeb · Mar 6, 2004, 07:03 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)

you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Which you now admit exist.

--Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 07:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Proof? In fact, the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect you from anyone.

That's my argument for an armed populace. Thanks for your assistance.

--Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

so we will just have any ignoramus walking around with a gun?

might i yet again make a historical reference ot he old west> live by thr gun? death comes easily??

do you think anachy will be a more secure time??

Mar 6, 2004, 07:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)

you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Which you now admit exist.

--Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

wtih a name like jackney youd think youd understand sarcasm

Mar 6, 2004, 06:21 pm	#44 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law: __1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage." __2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance." --Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> PS - #2 is the rationale for cops carrying guns.

Mar 6, 2004, 06:24 pm	#46 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law: __1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage." __2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance." --Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> PS - #2 is the rationale for cops carrying guns.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> jack baby i read ALL of the answers in that poll u posted above and im not impresed that you can parrot it back to me as a response

Mar 6, 2004, 06:36 pm	#47 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) we call that negative reinforcement (1) isnt the death threat. stay with it man! (2) . . .<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> . . .is a threat. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (a) why are you breaking the law?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Irrelevant to the threat you admit you're making. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (b) if you are caught, why are you resisting arrest? © crime doesnt pay<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You just tried to justify making a death threat against someone merely for breaking a "law." Now, the "law" might be righteous, or it might not. It is irrelevant to the fact that you're admitting that you advocate threats of death against someone breaking a law. This is symptomatic of state-worship - the idea that guns are lethal, dangerous, and should be controlled when in the hands of civilians, yet they somehow become benign and NON-threatening when in the hands of the "authorities." Despite all the senseless slaughter of human beings last century on the part of the state, some people can still say with a straight face, "the state doesn't make death threats." When confronted by the evidence, they resort to, "well why were you disobeying the state?" As if that makes their previous denial of reality somehow plausible. If I say, "Keep off my property, or I'll shoot," that's a threat. It's a righteous threat, to be sure -- it's still a threat. If you say, "Don't grow a plant I don't approve of or I'll lock you in a cage, and if you resist I'll shoot," it's just as real a threat. It may not be righteous, in which case I have a right to ignore, disobey, and shoot back in self defense. The "law" is no different from my threat or yours. --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:48 pm	#50 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) i have a question, how do you anarchists enforce law??<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I don't believe in laws. I enforce self-defense. I would use whatever force necessary, even guns. I don't pretend guns aren't a deadly threat against bad guys. --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:54 pm	#53 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) i see so women must protect themsleves? and children? or must i give them guns also?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It's up to you. 911 is not the bad-guy-disable code. The police aren't magical fairies that come between you and an assailant at a moment's notice. And the police use guns. Why should you use anything less while waiting for them to arrive? --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:16 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	dangerous activites by criminals, specifically crimes that hard others.

Mar 6, 2004, 06:18 pm	#42 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	but i suppose if a person is robbing a bank we should let them go and hope they have enough sense of civic duty to give up because otherwise i dunno what u think will happen

Mar 6, 2004, 06:20 pm	#43 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	The law itself is a threat to use deadly force. (If there were no force behind it, guess how many people would pay any attention to the law.) Which of the following are not consistent with the law: __1) "If you do X, we will lock you in a cage. If you don't do Y we will similarly lock you in a cage." __2) "If you resist, we will escalate the use of force up to and including your death, if necessary, to gain your compliance." --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 06:23 pm	#45 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	we call that negative reinforcement (1) isnt the death threat. stay with it man! (2) regardless those kinds of measures only occur if you are acriminal forgive me if im not sympathetic to anyone breaking the law (a) why are you breaking the law? (b) if you are caught, why are you resisting arrest? © crime doesnt pay

Mar 6, 2004, 06:45 pm	#48 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	i have a question, how do you anarchists enforce law??

Mar 6, 2004, 06:46 pm	#49 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	in this world after the government goes away how? how do you anarchists enforce law??

Mar 6, 2004, 06:48 pm	#51 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	i see so women must protect themsleves? and children? or must i give them guns also?

Mar 6, 2004, 06:49 pm	#52 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers oh wait, ther was aterm for that..what was it called again... umm... oh yeah! the dark ages! yeah those were good times!

Mar 6, 2004, 06:56 pm	#54 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Not where I live. --Jackney Sneeb "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein

Mar 6, 2004, 06:57 pm	#55 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes (yes i used many) like i told your clone lightbringer some people will act in their best interests as the sacrifice of others if there is noting enforcing civility

Mar 6, 2004, 06:58 pm	#56 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) sounds like a fabulous place whereveryone is on their guard always distrusting strangers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Not where I live. --Jackney Sneeb "An armed society is a polite society" --Robert Heinlein<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> thats cause you DONT live there baby! you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!

Mar 6, 2004, 07:02 pm	#57 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Proof? In fact, the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect you from anyone. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by some people will act in their best interests as the sacrifice of others if there is noting enforcing civility<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> That's my argument for an armed populace. Thanks for your assistance. --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 07:03 pm	#58 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Which you now admit exist. --Jackney Sneeb

Mar 6, 2004, 07:05 pm	#59 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) no 911 isnt, but the "threat" of police interaction prevents many crimes<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Proof? In fact, the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police are under no obligation to protect you from anyone. That's my argument for an armed populace. Thanks for your assistance. --Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> so we will just have any ignoramus walking around with a gun? might i yet again make a historical reference ot he old west> live by thr gun? death comes easily?? do you think anachy will be a more secure time??

Mar 6, 2004, 07:06 pm	#60 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) you have the big bad gun carrying police scaring away crime with their death threats!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Which you now admit exist. --Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> wtih a name like jackney youd think youd understand sarcasm