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french_jew · Mar 4, 2004, 06:16 am

After Sept.11, after suicide attacks in Turkey, after the discover of many terrorists in European States, after the arrest of a Canadian working for Hamas...etc

Will the terrorists success to make US afraid ?

We french just discover that a terrorist group threatens the french gov't of bomb attacks on trains !
Police already found one !

That's crazy, and I wanna know your feeling about that.

Nathan

Here's a news :
Video : http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?PH...b12c80f2eb34141

Article : http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?pa...b12c80f2eb34141
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News 4 March 2004

4/03 06:06 CET Bomb threats spark French rail search

An army of railway workers in France is undertaking a painstaking search of 32,000 kilometres of rail tracks following a spate of bomb threats. A shadowy group calling itself AZF claims to have planted ten bombs around the network.
It is reportedly demanding a four million euro ransom not to detonate the devices. One bomb has already been discovered on a line near a village close to the city of Limoges.
Police were directed to it by the group. Detectives have been communicating with the extortionists in messages published in the small advertisements section of newspapers.
Since last December the previously unknown group has also sent six threatening letters to President Jacques Chirac and the Interior Ministry. Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, has appealed to the media not to report the threats.
"I know the press has a job to do, but please leave the police and gendarmerie to work in peace," he said. The bomb threats have caused unease among commuters, but there is no evidence yet that people are avoiding taking trains. For now the group, which takes its name from a chemicals factory where an explosion killed 31 people three years ago, remains a troubling mystery
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Impenitent · Mar 4, 2004, 08:55 am

looks like the chickens are coming home to roost...

but what the hell, chirac knew enough to piss off bush because he didn't want bush finding out about the illegal trade connections between iraq and france...

4 million euro ransom? nice... but if you refuse to defend yourself you get extorted...

it all depends now on france... pay the piper, destroy your enemies or paint a big bullseye on everyone...

french_jew · Mar 4, 2004, 06:28 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
but what the hell, chirac knew enough to piss off bush because he didn't want bush finding out about the illegal trade connections between iraq and france... <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Illegal ???
No please, that's totaly wrong !
I agree with the fact that economic trades between Chirac and Saddam was shameful... even worse yet when you know that some parliamentary groups and MPs used to show off about that because France was the first Iraq's supplier.

Anyway those trades were completely legal, that's why France urged the UN to give up the Oil-For-Food program...it prevented France from making more money with Saddam's barbarous regime.

It's definitly the way we are ruled ..

Nathan

whl626 · Mar 4, 2004, 10:01 pm

If you keep hearing news about bombs ripping apart human bodies here and there. You are sure at the mercy of terrorists. So, will terrorists succeed to force fear into us. The answer is Yes.

NotScientific · Mar 5, 2004, 08:28 am

Let's face it. Who are the real terrorists? That's bush!

He's killing millions of innocents, making million of children without parents. If he was arresting the bad ones, that would've been ok but he's not.

Now think abt it, when you kill the parents of a small child, you're actually creating a generation of terrorists. This child will always hate you and that's it.

Bush is not banishing terrorism but in the contrary...

Impenitent · Mar 6, 2004, 02:52 am

millions?

you need to get some perspective...

bush is taking the fight to them and winning

mlingley · Mar 6, 2004, 05:20 am

You are right NotScientific..
The war on terror is just going to lead to more terror in the long run. It is an unwinable war that has no end.. just like the war on drugs.

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." : -- Dwight Eisenhower

Impenitent · Mar 6, 2004, 10:10 am

and refusing to fight makes you a slave to whatever the "terrorist" demands...

"I bet you can squeal like a pig..." -Bill Mc Kinney

Mar 6, 2004, 12:16 pm

id like to hear what mingley thinks we should do

ruiner · Mar 6, 2004, 02:02 pm

Just let the intelligence services do their jobs and stfu - that's what people should do. The "war" on terror does not concern you just as FBI investigations do not concern you. The average person is far more likely to be involved in an automobile accident, killed in a shooting or die in an earthquake than be killed by terrorism yet wtf has Bush done about any of THOSE threats huh?
Once people stop acting like children and getting all emotional about it they might realise how the government is using terrorism as a boogeyman to scare the population to get more support. Control through fear. One of Bush's claimed strong points for his re-election is dealing with terrorism. If the terrorist issue disapeared tommorow, Bush would have less chance of being re-elected. There are huge gains to be had by this present US administration by over-exagerating, prolonging, and keeping the terrorist issue in the public spotlight

Control Via Fear:
Government: "We need to install cameras in your home"
Citizen: "Why??"
Government: "To protect you against terrorism"
Citizen: "Well...I dunno"
Government: "Did you know there is an ORANGE ALERT?"
Citizen: "ORANGE??! OMG install the cameras now!!"

Mar 6, 2004, 02:38 pm

someone needs a ritalin and a book

mlingley · Mar 6, 2004, 04:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
someone needs a ritalin and a book<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What an intelligent, well thought out arguement that was gecko. Comments like that add sooo much to the debate.. bravo.

"We have grasped the mystery of the atom and rejected the Sermon on the Mount. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living"
-General Omar Bradley

Mar 6, 2004, 05:09 pm

niether did ruiner.
and instead of whining tome, why didnt you ADD to the debate? oh yuou just wnna fight also?

Bravo, no really i mean it good job hypocrite

mlingley · Mar 6, 2004, 11:14 pm

Gecko you asked what I think we should do. Here is what I think. We should all love one another.
Peace

Impenitent · Mar 7, 2004, 12:38 am

stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away...

peace is death

ruiner · Mar 7, 2004, 09:21 am

Livin' in fear ain't livin' to me
I'am armed with a gun defending the free
They blew it in Nam shot up my friends
I'm back in the streets the fight never ends

I was born with a gun in my hand
I'll die for my country
But I'll die like a man
Violence and Bloodshed
Violence and Bloodshed
Violence and Bloodshed
ManOWar - Violence and Bloodshed

Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. However I never heard Jesus say anything like "peace is death" or "stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away". Makes me chuckle

dotcoma · Mar 7, 2004, 02:22 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)

bush is taking the fight to them and winning<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

ha...

dotcoma · Mar 7, 2004, 02:24 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ruiner,)

Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

According to whom, may I ask?

Impenitent · Mar 7, 2004, 03:10 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ruiner,)
Livin' in fear ain't livin' to me
I'am armed with a gun defending the free
They blew it in Nam shot up my friends
I'm back in the streets the fight never ends

I was born with a gun in my hand
I'll die for my country
But I'll die like a man
Violence and Bloodshed
Violence and Bloodshed
Violence and Bloodshed
ManOWar - Violence and Bloodshed

Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. However I never heard Jesus say anything like "peace is death" or "stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away". Makes me chuckle<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

jesus said "I am the SWORD"

god remains dead

and the "stick your neck out in trust" is a quote from the Dead Kennedys

gecko · Mar 7, 2004, 03:11 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,)
Gecko you asked what I think we should do. Here is what I think. We should all love one another.
Peace<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

no thats a goal not an action
learn the difference

Mar 4, 2004, 08:55 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	looks like the chickens are coming home to roost... but what the hell, chirac knew enough to piss off bush because he didn't want bush finding out about the illegal trade connections between iraq and france... 4 million euro ransom? nice... but if you refuse to defend yourself you get extorted... it all depends now on france... pay the piper, destroy your enemies or paint a big bullseye on everyone... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 4, 2004, 06:28 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
french_jew Molten Ash Posts: 43	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) but what the hell, chirac knew enough to piss off bush because he didn't want bush finding out about the illegal trade connections between iraq and france... <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Illegal ??? No please, that's totaly wrong ! I agree with the fact that economic trades between Chirac and Saddam was shameful... even worse yet when you know that some parliamentary groups and MPs used to show off about that because France was the first Iraq's supplier. Anyway those trades were completely legal, that's why France urged the UN to give up the Oil-For-Food program...it prevented France from making more money with Saddam's barbarous regime. It's definitly the way we are ruled .. Nathan

Mar 4, 2004, 10:01 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
whl626 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 11	If you keep hearing news about bombs ripping apart human bodies here and there. You are sure at the mercy of terrorists. So, will terrorists succeed to force fear into us. The answer is Yes. Learn English every day http://englishdaily626.com http://foreseefuture.com - Foresee your future

Mar 5, 2004, 08:28 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
NotScientific Molten Ash Location: Mauritius Posts: 35	Let's face it. Who are the real terrorists? That's bush! He's killing millions of innocents, making million of children without parents. If he was arresting the bad ones, that would've been ok but he's not. Now think abt it, when you kill the parents of a small child, you're actually creating a generation of terrorists. This child will always hate you and that's it. Bush is not banishing terrorism but in the contrary... I'm Columnist here at Volconvo.com and also at BackWash.com. Check my columns in the Science forum then.

Mar 6, 2004, 02:52 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	millions? you need to get some perspective... bush is taking the fight to them and winning "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 4, 2004, 06:16 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
french_jew Molten Ash Posts: 43	After Sept.11, after suicide attacks in Turkey, after the discover of many terrorists in European States, after the arrest of a Canadian working for Hamas...etc Will the terrorists success to make US afraid ? We french just discover that a terrorist group threatens the french gov't of bomb attacks on trains ! Police already found one ! That's crazy, and I wanna know your feeling about that. Nathan Here's a news : Video : http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?PH...b12c80f2eb34141 Article : http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?pa...b12c80f2eb34141 -------------------------------- News 4 March 2004 4/03 06:06 CET Bomb threats spark French rail search An army of railway workers in France is undertaking a painstaking search of 32,000 kilometres of rail tracks following a spate of bomb threats. A shadowy group calling itself AZF claims to have planted ten bombs around the network. It is reportedly demanding a four million euro ransom not to detonate the devices. One bomb has already been discovered on a line near a village close to the city of Limoges. Police were directed to it by the group. Detectives have been communicating with the extortionists in messages published in the small advertisements section of newspapers. Since last December the previously unknown group has also sent six threatening letters to President Jacques Chirac and the Interior Ministry. Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, has appealed to the media not to report the threats. "I know the press has a job to do, but please leave the police and gendarmerie to work in peace," he said. The bomb threats have caused unease among commuters, but there is no evidence yet that people are avoiding taking trains. For now the group, which takes its name from a chemicals factory where an explosion killed 31 people three years ago, remains a troubling mystery -----------------------------------

Mar 6, 2004, 05:20 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	You are right NotScientific.. The war on terror is just going to lead to more terror in the long run. It is an unwinable war that has no end.. just like the war on drugs. "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." : -- Dwight Eisenhower

Mar 6, 2004, 10:10 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	and refusing to fight makes you a slave to whatever the "terrorist" demands... "I bet you can squeal like a pig..." -Bill Mc Kinney "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 6, 2004, 12:16 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	id like to hear what mingley thinks we should do

Mar 6, 2004, 02:02 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
ruiner Igneous Magma Posts: 180	Just let the intelligence services do their jobs and stfu - that's what people should do. The "war" on terror does not concern you just as FBI investigations do not concern you. The average person is far more likely to be involved in an automobile accident, killed in a shooting or die in an earthquake than be killed by terrorism yet wtf has Bush done about any of THOSE threats huh? Once people stop acting like children and getting all emotional about it they might realise how the government is using terrorism as a boogeyman to scare the population to get more support. Control through fear. One of Bush's claimed strong points for his re-election is dealing with terrorism. If the terrorist issue disapeared tommorow, Bush would have less chance of being re-elected. There are huge gains to be had by this present US administration by over-exagerating, prolonging, and keeping the terrorist issue in the public spotlight Control Via Fear: Government: "We need to install cameras in your home" Citizen: "Why??" Government: "To protect you against terrorism" Citizen: "Well...I dunno" Government: "Did you know there is an ORANGE ALERT?" Citizen: "ORANGE??! OMG install the cameras now!!"

Mar 6, 2004, 02:38 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	someone needs a ritalin and a book

Mar 6, 2004, 04:44 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,) someone needs a ritalin and a book<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What an intelligent, well thought out arguement that was gecko. Comments like that add sooo much to the debate.. bravo. "We have grasped the mystery of the atom and rejected the Sermon on the Mount. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living" -General Omar Bradley

Mar 6, 2004, 05:09 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
gecko Guest Posts: n/a	niether did ruiner. and instead of whining tome, why didnt you ADD to the debate? oh yuou just wnna fight also? Bravo, no really i mean it good job hypocrite

Mar 6, 2004, 11:14 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	Gecko you asked what I think we should do. Here is what I think. We should all love one another. Peace

Mar 7, 2004, 12:38 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away... peace is death "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 7, 2004, 09:21 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
ruiner Igneous Magma Posts: 180	Livin' in fear ain't livin' to me I'am armed with a gun defending the free They blew it in Nam shot up my friends I'm back in the streets the fight never ends I was born with a gun in my hand I'll die for my country But I'll die like a man Violence and Bloodshed Violence and Bloodshed Violence and Bloodshed ManOWar - Violence and Bloodshed Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. However I never heard Jesus say anything like "peace is death" or "stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away". Makes me chuckle

Mar 7, 2004, 02:22 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) bush is taking the fight to them and winning<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> ha...

Mar 7, 2004, 02:24 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ruiner,) Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> According to whom, may I ask?

Mar 7, 2004, 03:10 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ruiner,) Livin' in fear ain't livin' to me I'am armed with a gun defending the free They blew it in Nam shot up my friends I'm back in the streets the fight never ends I was born with a gun in my hand I'll die for my country But I'll die like a man Violence and Bloodshed Violence and Bloodshed Violence and Bloodshed ManOWar - Violence and Bloodshed Makes me chuckle to think this mindset is close to that of the American right-wing, who are by and large represent the more religious (christian) portion of society. However I never heard Jesus say anything like "peace is death" or "stick your neck out in trust... it'll be chopped away". Makes me chuckle<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> jesus said "I am the SWORD" god remains dead and the "stick your neck out in trust" is a quote from the Dead Kennedys "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 7, 2004, 03:11 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
gecko Molten Ash Posts: 70	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,) Gecko you asked what I think we should do. Here is what I think. We should all love one another. Peace<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> no thats a goal not an action learn the difference