A Skull and Bones election

[mlingley]

I would like to open this up for debate. What do you guys think about Skull and Bones.. both George W. Bush and John F. Kerry are members of this elite fraternity at Yale. The conspiracy theorists should have a hay day with this one. Does anyone think the "elite" are controlling the United States? You could argue that this is evidence of that.

[Mathieu]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society.

President Bush: It's so secret we can't talk about it.

Russert: What does that mean for America? The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild.

President Bush: I'm sure they are. I don’t know. I haven't seen Web pages yet. (Laughs)

Russert: Number 322.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Meet the press


Now you can go wild ...

[Impenitent]

skull and bones is nothing, it's the illuminati and the masons you need to watch...

black helicopters everywhere...

[Mia]

I've gone to the Websites about this Scull and Bones thing. I won't claim there is nothing sinister about it, but I will say I don't see it.

Having hung out with the "Greeks" in College, I know that ALL fraternaties are strange in many of their little initiation practices, etc. The websites making noise about this one hasn't convinced me of anything to actually be concerned with.

[dotcoma]

The Skull and Bones society has direct financial and idealogical connections to Nazi Germany. Prescott Bush, W.S. Harriman , Alan Dulles were all members of Skull and Bones. All have Nazi-German connections. Prescott was arrested and cited three times for trading with the enemy (funny, after we imported most of the Nazi scientists after WWII during Project Paperclip, the charges "went way" and Bush went on to spawn a future president who went on to spawn even more little Nazis). The CIA was actually set up to mirror the Nazi S.S. after WWII. The Nazi's didn't lose the war, they just had to move.

[PatrickHenry]

Anybody that wants to go more in depth with Skiull and Bones check out this resource I found: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

To Hegel, our world is a world of reason. The state is Absolute Reason and the citizen can only become free by worship and obedience to the state. Hegel called the state the "march of God in the world" and the "final end". This final end, Hegel said, "has supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the state." Both fascism and communism have their philosophical roots in Hegellianism. Hegellian philosophy was very much in vogue during William Russell's time in Germany.

From the first issue of The Iconoclast, an independent publication on the Yale University campus, 1873:

"Year by year the deadly evil is growing. The society was never as obnoxious to the college as it is today, and it is just this ill-feeling that shuts the pockets of non-members. Never before has it shown such arrogance and self-fancied superiority. It grasps the College Press and endeavors to rule it all. It does not deign to show its credentials, but clutches at power with the silence of conscious guilt. "To tell the good which Yale College has done would be well nigh impossible. To tell the good she might do would be yet more difficult. The question, then, is reduced to this -- on the one hand lies a source of incalculable good -- on the other a society guilty of serious and far-reaching crimes. It is Yale College against Skull and Bones!! We ask all men, as a question of right, which should be allowed to live?"

Another interesting group of "Bonesmen" is the Harriman/Bush crowd. Averil Harriman ('13), "Elder Statesman" of the Democratic Party, and his brother Roland Harriman ('17) were very active members. In fact, four of Roland's fellow "Bonesmen" from the class of 1917 were directors of Brown Brothers, Harriman, including Prescott Bush ('17), George Bush's dad. Since the turn of the century, two investment bank firms -- Guaranty Trust and Brown Brothers, Harriman -- were both dominated by members of Skull and Bones. These two firms were heavily involved in the financing of Communism and Hitler's regime. Bonesman share an affinity for the Hegellian ideas of the historical dialectic, which dictates the use of controlled conflict -- thesis versus anti-thesis -- to create a pre-determined synthesis. A synthesis of their making and design, where the state is absolute and individuals are granted their freedoms based on their obedience to the state -- a New World Order.

Debaters, I hope this will not be viewed as a "conspiracy theory." This is an issue that has very little media play, but profound significance to the US and the world. Why are both mainstream parties' nominees from this outrageous occult Order? An Order with links to the CIA and massive capital... Not a problem for you? Did you know that the American Education System was remade along Hegelian lines of thought by prominent Bonesmen?

The Daniel/Gilman/White trio was also responsible for the founding of the American Economic Association, the American Chemical Society and the American Psychological Association. Through their influences on John Dewey and Horace Mann, this trio continues to have an enormous impact on education today.

Statism is taught in US education: the rectitude of the state--Glorious America. Yet the foundations of the US government system are the exaltation of INDIVIDUAL rights, not the rights of the state. And these educational tenets originate with John Dewey, cursed be his name.

Do some research and let's debate.

[kharmajunkie]

Dieval's head is exploding as we speak. I didn't know that Teresa's first husband was a bonesman too.

[bishop]

it's all circumstantial and is a conspiracy theory. other people who have caused this country great harm were not bonesmen. lbj for instance..

being a member of an elite club does not have to translate into being involved in some global conspiracy to take over the world.

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks for giving it your time of day, "bishop". No kudos for your research however...

[bishop]

i read your links. they weren't substantive whatsoever.

how, exactly, does bush's and kerry's membership in skull and bones make them similar? kerry's voting record alone isn't even remotely similar to how bush would have voted if he was a senator. kerry's voting record is very similar to clinton's policies. and i might add that clinton is not a member of this club. neither was nixon, roosevelt (either), lbj, etc...

talking about nazi connections.. there are even a couple jews in skull and bones. go figure.

when the nazis were taking over, many elite anglos in the world shared anti-semitic beliefs - not just those in skull and bones. for every skull and bones member that you mention that's a member of a major corporation or other influential body, i can point out other equally or more influential people who are not.

[kharmajunkie]

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence and the more it piles up, the less power that whole "it's circumstantial" arguement has.
I think people deny these things because they don't want to admit that
they might be powerless.

[bishop]

I think people deny these things because they don't want to admit that they might be powerless.

i'm not one of those people. i look at this list and i see all sorts of incredibly powerful people who aren't s&b members.

http://illuminati-news.com/skull-&-bones-memberlist.htm

like the people i already mentioned.. you can toss alan greenspan into the list of powerful non-s&b people.

if we're going to go by circumstantial evidence, then saddam had wmd's, had the capability to make wmd's, had connections to al qaeda, etc...

[Dieval]

Originally posted by kharmajunkie, Dieval's head is exploding as we speak.

:rolleyes:

[gr8fuldaniel]

From Page 2 "The Tomb" of the 1st link you offered

On the west wall, hung among other pictures, an old engraving representing an open burial vault, in which, on a stone slab, rest four human skulls, grouped about a fools cap and bells, an open book, several mathematical instruments, a beggar's scrip, and a royal crown.

One of the skulls is Geronimo, another probably Pancho Villa,

Skull and Bones, with headquarters on the campus of Yale University, also includes President George Bush, Bush's father and grandfather as members. The secret society has bizarre and cultish initiation ceremonies and there are credible allegations that Prescott Bush, George's grandfather, personally desecrated the grave of the Apache Chief Geronimo and stole his skull. Also, just recently, I uncovered evidence that Prescott Bush paid a covert agent of the US government, by the name of Emil L. Holmdahl, $25,000 dollars for the skull of the legendary Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa in 1926. Holmdahl was arrested in Parral, Chihuahua for desecrating Villa's tomb but high level interference by the US State Department resulted in his release.

Who are the other two? My best guess, possibly, JFK, His brains were stolen, skull too? GHW Bush (Loyal Bonesman) was CIA at time of assination, had access to all evidence. The other could be Hitlers skull? Just a guess, Based on secretive roots of Skull and Bones in Germany.

EDIT to add link

[Dieval]

You know, any site that has -


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[Mr.Vicchio]

The real funny thing is, the Skull and Bones peeps, have to read stuff like this and laugh their arses off. Greatest prank ever pulled off by college students. And some people take it, hook line and sinker.

[kharmajunkie]

I like to make light of conspiracy theories too, but it gets to a point that you have to realize that there's a lot of truth in there.
Some of you guys ignore the facts with the verocity of an OJ juror.

[Nono]

Secret societies. Mumbo jumbo. Conspiracy. Why not just say the word that Americans dare not utter about their society: class?

[Young]

Ok does Israel exist if Brown & Harriman don't finance Hitler? Does Hitler & WW2 not create the Zionist movement? So i would say that some members are jewish and that Jews are a well respected part of the group....LBJ, while not a Bonesmen was a Friend of Texas Oil money and thus in cahoots with S&B. If the group was un-important than why be so Secret? If two Bonesmen are running in the same year....something important to the group must be about to be carried out. Prior to WW2 America wasn't this great War machine & Israel wasn't a state, so funding Hitler establishes both. The motives aren't just with the security of America in Mind, thats what scares me, & Cheney was a member Too.....Richard Cheney look it up.

[Comrade]

So the Skull and Bones people had prescient powers to know exactly what Hitler would do and that we would go to war with him and win? And then attacking the Jews? This is just disgusting, and it's the most dangerous type of ignorance.