A Skull and Bones election

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Young, Prior to WW2 America wasn't this great War machine & Israel wasn't a state, so funding Hitler establishes both. The motives aren't just with the security of America in Mind, thats what scares me, & Cheney was a member Too.....Richard Cheney look it up.

As comrade pointed out - how did they know Hitler would lose?

[Young]

Right! So now that we know both of you understand this...whose to say they didn't want Hitler to Win....and We had to allow Pearl in order to garner the support to stop it?

[Comrade]

I repeat my comment about ignorance. You seem to only have cursory knowledge of the beginning of WW2.

And, anyways, how is getting Japan to attack us going to ensure war with Germany? Japan wasn't fighting Germany's enemy the Soviet Union. How could they know that we wouldn't do like all you leftists are saying, and appease?

This is a delusion from someone who will do anything to forment hate to push his simplistic agenda.

[Young]

I'm Right there Buddy, the Good Right. Pearl wiped out opens up fears of a Japanese west coast landing & assault. Fear moves Us towards anger and War & not a second too late.

[Comrade]

Yes, war against Japan. Do you even know HOW we got involved with Germany? I don't think you do. And you certainly aren't the Good Right on this one, Buddy.

[Young]

Japan was aligned with Germany & Italy....It all started with the assassination of a Duke, and We went to defeat Germany before they overrun the British...if that would of happened we'd of been looking at the Japs on the westcoast & the Germans on the Eastcoast. So are you saying i'm the good right on every other one?

[Comrade]

Heh. No, World War One was not about Franz Ferdinand, and no, the American populace did not believe Germany was a threat at the beginning of WW2.

Germany and Japan were allied, yet strangely Japan didn't declare war on Russia until the very end. The reason we DID go to war with Germany was because Germany declared war on us in the hopes that Japan would declare war on Russia.
Roosevelt did know Nazi Germany was a threat, but the American population did not agree until Germany started sinking ships and declared war.

Young, this is my FIELD.

I'm waiting for you to cart out some story about how Skull and Bones forced Hitler to declare war.

[Young]

Franz's assassination was an event that led to events that put the war in motion, and if not for the Bones boys Hitler would of had to have found 50% of his War material somewhere else...if this is Your FIELD.... i find it strange that You can't see how Bush "Compares" to Hitler.

[Comrade]

You really think Bush=Hitler, huh?

Young, Franz's assassination with the feather that broke the camel's back, Europe had been on the brink of war for a dozen years previous.

And the "bones" boys did NOT fund 50% of Hitler's war machine, that is simply absurd. Hitler's biggest trading partners in 1939 were actually France and Poland, strangely enough, and his biggest trading partner in 1941 was the Soviet Union. I thought trade built peace?

Anyways, if Bush was anything like Hitler, I would be able To See™. All I see is delusions of Bush haters who know nothing of Hitler.

[Young]

Young, Franz's assassination with the feather that broke the camel's back, Europe had been on the brink of war for a dozen years previous

Thanks for letting me Know i was right.

[Nono]

The idea of supporting Hitler in order to further the Zionist cause is something like the idea of standing on a pile of TNT and setting it off as a means to get across town. You never know, it MIGHT just work. After all, a cow or two has survived a trip in a tornado.
But the risks of it having a negative rather than positive effect for you are astronomically huge.

No. People like Bush's grand-dad backed Hitler as a wedge against Bolshevism. There had damned near been a real revolution in Germany as WWI ended -- a close shave. And they had investments there. Not far to the east the Bolsheviks had successfully beaten back an attempt to eject them from power, and were now busily stirring things up in Germany where there was sky-high inflation and other dangerous ferment to help things along.

Nothing like a guy like Adolph to restore order while keeping the capitalists happy. National SOCIALIST my ass, eh?

[Comrade]

What?
Franz Ferdinand's assassination was the feather that broke the camel's back, therefore the entire war was about Franz Ferdinand? No, I don't think so.

Originally posted by Young Franz's assassination was an event that led to events that put the war in motion.

No, this isn't true, you have it backwards, like I said. Europe was already READY for war, Franz's assassination just put their plans in motion, but the war was NOT about treaties and protection pacts, it was about a greedy Prussia. Ferdinand couldn't have less to do with WW1, he was an excuse.

"Thanks for proving I'm right", whatever

[Young]

Ok Franz doesn't get shot, and maybe they dance around war for another couple of weeks....or maybe until Hitler arrives on the scene who knows, but in my history classes that is pointed to as being the catalyst or exuse if you'd like.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Nono, People like Bush's grand-dad backed Hitler as a wedge against Bolshevism. There had damned near been a real revolution in Germany as WWI ended -- a close shave. And they had investments there. Not far to the east the Bolsheviks had successfully beaten back an attempt to eject them from power, and were now busily stirring things up in Germany where there was sky-high inflation and other dangerous ferment to help things along. Nothing like a guy like Adolph to restore order while keeping the capitalists happy. National SOCIALIST my ass, eh?

Wrong, Nono. One leetle problem with your analysis: They supported the Bolshies, too.
http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...kull/part_3.htm

Funding and political maneuvering on the part of "Bonesmen" and their allies helped the Bolsheviks prevail in Russia. In defiance of federal laws, the cabal financed industries, established banks and developed oil and mineral deposits in the fledgling U.S.S.R. Later, Averil Harriman, as minister to Great Britain in charge of Lend-Lease for Britain and Russia, was responsible for shipping entire factories into Russia. According to some researchers, Harriman also oversaw the transfer of nuclear secrets, plutonium and U. S. dollar printing plates to the U.S.S.R.

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wa.../chapter_07.htm

This affiliation and mutual business interest between Harriman and the Thyssen interests does not suggest that the Harrimans directly financed Hitler. On the other hand, it does show that the Harrimans were intimately connected with prominent Nazis Kouwenhoven and Groeninger and a Nazi front bank, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart. There is every reason to believe that the Harrimans knew of Thyssen's support for the Nazis. In the case of the Harrimans, it is important to bear in mind their long-lasting and intimate relationship with the Soviet Union and the Harriman's position at the center of Roosevelt's New Deal and the Democratic Party. The evidence suggests that some members of the Wall Street elite are connected with, and certainly have influence with, all significant political groupings in the contemporary world socialist spectrum — Soviet socialism, Hitler's national socialism, and Roosevelt's New Deal socialism.

Look, it's what is happening on the American political scene TODAY. Two clear cut "sides". And Hegelian support and control of BOTH. The synthesis? New World Order. GHWB-POTUS41 called for it himself in public speeches.

[Nono]

I stand corrected, PH, that is if one can trust such a vaguely formulated source ("Funding and political maneuvering on the part of 'Bonesmen' and their allies helped the Bolsheviks prevail in Russia. In defiance of federal laws, the cabal financed industries, established banks and developed oil and mineral deposits in the fledgling U.S.S.R."). Though I'll be damned if I can imagine what would have prompted them to support the Bolsheviks.

As for Lend-Lease, the US was pouring resources into a country that was its ally in a world war -- no longer a country ruled by godless commies but by cuddly "Uncle Joe". One example is the fact that there are far more DC-3s flying in Russia today than in its country of origin, the US. They were built there under L-L.

If Harriman actually helped transfer nuclear secrets and plutonium to the USSR he must have had a serious screw loose. What POSSIBLE interest could the US have had in that? Or was H. a fellow traveller maybe?

Any ideas there, PH?

[PatrickHenry]

The Hegelian ideal(as I understand it) is a balance of both sides of an equation. The profits accrue and the goal of World government is advanced. Making money for ones self and friends is THE goal. The means are negotiable. Capitalist, socalist, humanitarian, totalitarian, secular, sectarian, you name it: the players have supported all sides financially, and reaped megaprofits. Money has no conscience.

The US is a pawn in the Money Scheme. A Big Bad Pawn, but controlled nonetheless by the Shadow Men. Likely your nation is, too, Nono.

As for the source of my allegation about supporting the Russian Revolution: I refer to Antony C Sutton's book, America's Secret Establishment subtitled, An Introduction to the ORDER OF SKULL & BONES. This resource is not available online but can be purchased through Amazon.com for as little as $17 plus shipping. The work was published in 1984 and has insights for history up through that year. I am unable to quote large segments because I can't copy and paste, but to summarize: beginning on page 138 Sutton establishes the facts of Wall Street AND the Order pushing for assistance for the Bolshevik Army beginning in 1917. Sutton prints copies of letters and memos urging recognition, trade AND military assistance for the Reds while they were engaged in a struggle with the "reactionary" forces. Aid was banned by US law but the Order seems able to skirt the code. Many other items are presented for consideration regarding building up Red Russia. The Lusk Senate sub-committee investigated all of this state building and subversion, but it was never presented to the public. It was in fact, carefully concealed.

As to the Lend-Lease: the US was not at war yet. And even when America entered the war, the laws were violated. "The law required military goods only to be shipped. In fact, industrial equipment in extraordinary amounts was also shipped and Treasury Department currency plates so that the Soviets could freely print US dollars." opcit. pg. 163 emphasis original

Sutton also discusses how the Order aided the Nazis both in the early phase of their takeover and in the later war years. Chase Bank was a Nazi collaborator AND was a prime promoter in exporting US technology to the Soviets. Both sides of the dialectic.

Finally, at least for this post, the Order is found setting up a new arm of the dialectic in Communist China. A brief segment of Sutton's narrative glances at the way GHW Bush assisted, as Ambassador to the UN, in Peoples Republic of China displacing the Republic of China, an original, free enterprise member of the United Nations, which was expelled. There is further evidence of the business and trade connections with mainland China. Who is to say what the outcome of the present dalliance with Red China will be? Will they unite against America with the Russians? This may have been a miscalculation by the Order, but they profit either way.

Here's an item to consider: All Presidents since 1988 have been graduates of Yale U. This year we have not only two Yalies, but men two years apart in a group that only selects 15 per year, from the elite. Kerry's group picked the 1967 "Knights" who selected GW Bush's group. What a coincidence that they find themselves "competing" to direct the United States...

[m5lange1]

Cool PH.
Sounds like the beginning of a new Dan Brown novel.

[G. Adams]

I personally would suggest that S&B would be interested in getting friendly with the Bolsheviks because of the power the Bolsheviks had.

As far as I see it, S&B is not about National Socialism, Communism or any particular ideology, it is simply about power. All ideologies, when they are applied in real life become instruments of power for the few, no matter how noble the original ideology is. Even Marx of all people said as much (he of course, didn't consider communism as an ideology...). So the S&B will latch onto any group, irrespective of it's beliefs, as long as it advances them as a group.

And when people keep mentioning "oh well so and so isn't a bonesman", theres more than one one shadowy group to look into, the Bohemia Group to begin start with. And some people are members of multiple groups.

[PatrickHenry]

I agree, G. Adams. There are those that think events "just happen" without reasons or for elusive or even totally bogus reasons. Then there are accurate analysts, often labeled conspiracy theorists when their views conflict with the "official" story. Sadly, there are also the wackjobs who never saw an outlandish explanation that displeased them. The middle group often gets lumped in with the nuts, but by reasoned debate the truth can still be discerned.

There ARE a number of secret orgs. Their agendas, while often diverse, many times also converge. I may do some posting on this topic, but I would rather not work on it, then have to locate it in "butterface"...I must be discreet, or ...sneaky.

[G. Adams]

Well you could do what I did for a while, wage a campaign of corrupting every thread into a socialist dialectic argument, though of course you'd be corrupting it to conspiracy arguments. If you do it quickly enough, people end up pre-empt the corrupting for you, because they expect it, and then they get the blame. They can't butter everything :) Actually this campaign would be a conspiracy in itself. One I've already revealed....oops.