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Old Mar 1, 2004, 11:35 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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It seems that since the end of WW2, and even before, America has been adopting a policy of world domination. Even in the 40's, professional military planners figured out how America would go about remaining the world Superpower for ever.(The USSR never had the economy to compete with the US.) Even then, the US had plans to secure the recources in the middle east. It seems that whenever a poular government starts coming to power anywhere, the US somehow always manages to sabotage it, unless it is Pro America. All they do is support dictators, who have financial interests at heart. These interests are satisfied by American companies. Guatemala, Nicaragua etc. It seems as though the two biggest threats to American world domination are the Third world, and the people of America. These are not major threats, but they are the only threats I can think of. It seems now that there is no way any other country could ever achieve the level of power and domination the US has now.

I would love to know if anyone believes there is anyway that any other country could ever atain the level of dominance that America has now. Really the only way would be if the country physically got destroyed, but i doubt that will happen.

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Old Mar 2, 2004, 12:19 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Only China could achieve World Superpower status in the coming decades.
I don't think the U.S. people are really any threat to the policy of world domination. People aren't open to the ideas that you are suggesting.
I for one am getting out of the United States in the near future. I'm going to go teach English overseas... probably in central or south america. I used to live in Brazil and I know the atmosphere was alot more social and laid back than it is here in the U.S. Alot of people here are getting paranoid because of all the crap that is on television.
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 01:23 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I know the US people aren't a threat to US domination policy, but when you think about it, they are our only hope. There the only ones with the power to turn the situation around.

This doesnt really have to do with what we are discussing, but People forget that the only reason the "allies" won WW2 was because of the Russians. Look at the figures. 300,000 US Soldier dead. 20 million Russians dead. They made the most sacrifices to defeat the "axis" in WW2, yet America acts as if it was the one who won the war.
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 03:35 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I think most American's feel disenfranchised. The majority of us don't even take the time to vote. No one thinks their vote is going to make a difference especially when all politicians sound the same.. doesn't matter if they are democrats or republicans.. they all make promises to get elected and then don't do anything to change things.
The people may be the only hope, but the people can't do anything if the leaders are corrupt. It is so hard to get people to care... it's really impossible. It is next to impossible for some average joe to get into politics in the U.S. You got to have $$$$$$$ to get elected these days..
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 03:55 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 04:16 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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It's just a game. Very apathy-inspiring. As far as the US being a world-dominator: The problem is that if we continue acting like it and throwing our weight around, I fear it will backfire. The Romans had a great Empire once too. There are so many people that hate the US and this is what they tell themselves and each other.


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Old Mar 2, 2004, 04:51 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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yeah i suppose, i guess when you think about it, every major super power through out time has lost its power. I guess its just a matter of time before someone who's a victim of US foreign policy detonated a nuclear bomb in every major city! That would really slow down the USA and make them think twice about their Foreign Policy, or they would just blow up the rest of the world.
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 05:08 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Every country pursues a policy of trying to become the superpower, the US just happens to be the best at it this century... the last couple centuries were the brits, and before them the Dutch, and before them the Spainiards and Ports and before them the Ottomans and Ming... I mean every country does it, its nothing new, and any country in the position of the states would do it now too... so really, we can criticize, but as lnog as we support our own governments blindly, we're just hypocrites
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 05:51 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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the US has plenty of 'chinks' in its armor, and in fact, if it continues on its current trend of economic policy, it has no other choice but to implode under weight of its debt.

The thing to take note of is that, tho it has been true of almost every other superpower in history, the 'next' superpower will not be gauged by its military might - it will be by its economic vibrancy. The funny thing about the Free Market is once a significant portion of the world's eceonomy is truly 'free market' the rest of the nations will be forced to do the same or be 'left in the dust'. Alot of significant changes in the world political landscape and the variety of different social-political systems... very interesting and scarey all at the same time.

Hope I am still around in 50 years... isn't it a chinese proverb that says 'may you live in interesting times'... or is that a curse?


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Old Mar 2, 2004, 06:44 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Very very interesting. Your definately on the right track.
I understand that it is normal for a country of Americas might, but it is still WRONG. And, it is also wrong how the politicians and the media misslead the American people. Sorry guys this is a bit of a lame reply by me, but im so stoned now, and i wasnt before, so i but then i had some, and i must go now. Ill see if this posts still up tomoorow??
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 06:48 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
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The real problem is Americans would prefer to be misled, as long as it allows us to go on with our lives and not think too much or be bothered to much. Sad, but true. We have been SPOILED!


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Old Mar 2, 2004, 10:00 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 11:09 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
It's just a game. Very apathy-inspiring. As far as the US being a world-dominator: The problem is that if we continue acting like it and throwing our weight around, I fear it will backfire. The Romans had a great Empire once too. There are so many people that hate the US and this is what they tell themselves and each other.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
They will nothing to stop it; the leaders of Europe, for example, benefit politically by demonizing the US. Taking action against them would cause them to lose their precious scapegoats.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I guess its just a matter of time before someone who's a victim of US foreign policy detonated a nuclear bomb in every major city! That would really slow down the USA and make them think twice about their Foreign Policy<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
And I guess you think that's a worthy price, huh?

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
The real problem is Americans would prefer to be misled, as long as it allows us to go on with our lives and not think too much or be bothered to much. Sad, but true. We have been SPOILED!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
Not spoiled... bribed is a better word.
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Old Mar 2, 2004, 11:49 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah..god us Americans are just awful...all those countries we have conquered and occupied...all those colonies around the world. Plus we never give anything to the world at large...no charity, no food for the hungry, no medical technology...we contribute nothing...horrible place. At least no one is trying to get here and come across our borders...that would be terrible.


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Old Mar 3, 2004, 03:38 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Write Winger,)
Yeah..god us Americans are just awful...all those countries we have conquered and occupied...all those colonies around the world. Plus we never give anything to the world at large...no charity, no food for the hungry, no medical technology...we contribute nothing...horrible place. At least no one is trying to get here and come across our borders...that would be terrible.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


For the most part I agree with you. But our war in Iraq and the way we acted toward everyone not with us on it.....honestly we started to act like what we are accused of.

The Middle East has been occupied over and over. They think we are out to be the next occupier. We're making it look that way right now, so it's understandable. And look at our words and actions toward European countries over it - others have reasons to resent the US right now.

Hopefully you and I are right and we are not becoming this and everything will be alright :-)


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Old Mar 3, 2004, 07:08 am   #16 (permalink) (top)
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Yes, america's position of the global bully is about to come to a screeching halt. The USA is broke. The dollar is plunging continually, and foreign countries are dumping the dollar at alarming rates. Below is an article from one of the nations best known economic websites gold-eagle.com. It will explain what I am talking about with better details.

USA Out Of Business
Posted Mar 2, 2004 06:53 AM PST
The debt owed by United States of America is about to spiral out of control, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it.
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/ds...mith030304.html

USA OUT OF BUSINESS

Don Smith

It has been quite some time since I felt the need to formally write to you regarding the state of the US economy. The first time was back at the beginning of the year 2000. I will let the events that have occurred since then speak for themselves.

Once again I charge myself with the task of issuing a warning to good people under the influence of stock-pushing analysts and office-seeking politicians. Many people think we are in a bull market in stocks again while others believe we are in a bear market rally that is going to end shortly and wreak havoc unseen since the early part of the 20th century. What I would like to throw into the mix is the idea that the entire "Game" is about over.

Those of you that are familiar with my writing style know I like to write for the common person. I am not the most intellectual person around. If the message in this writing hits home, please check in with those that can articulate these issues with cool expertise.

Let's take a look at some rounded numbers:

The US National Debt = $7 Trillion
The US Income (not including funds that go specifically to Social Security and Medicare) = $1 Trillion
The US Deficit = $0.5 Trillion
Interest Rate on Debt >= 5% (based on $128 Million spent during the first trimester of fiscal 2004; www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm)


Assume for a moment that the statistics above are reasonably accurate and hold constant for a few years. Also assume the service on debt goes up a mere ¼ of 1 percent per year. As the graph below shows, by the year 2011, 100% of the revenue the government receives will go straight from the taxpayer's pocketbook to the holders of US debt instruments. There will be no money for any governmental function in the United States of America whatsoever.




No, there is nothing wrong with this graph. The debt owed by United States of America is about to spiral out of control, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it. Alan Greenspan has just warned lawmakers that the Social Security system, which currently enjoys a budget surplus that it donates to the country's general fund, will become over subscribed and begin operating in the red by the year 2008. So the influence of the Social Security surplus won't even help for much longer.

Now if I am smart enough to draw this graph, not holding a PhD in economics, what are the odds that the Japanese are smart enough to figure this out? How about the economists over in the European Union? The quick answer is, "Of course they know." However, through some manner by which the human psychic operates, our leaders have decided that you and I aren't supposed to know this. We're BANKRUPT for heaven's sake!

The people running Enron were saints compared to their counterparts in Washington, DC and New York!

Sometimes I wonder, do these guys really think we're that dumb? Do they really think they can inflate their way out of this? Do they really think you and I will pay $5 per gallon for gas and $5 for a gallon of milk and accept their artificially low inflation numbers, telling us that gold and silver are relics not worthy as mechanisms to preserve wealth? I mean…even they must have a limit as to what they believe they can push. As unimaginable as it is however, current indications are that they will push it right to the very limit and then go beyond the limit!

One morning we will all wake up, and the whistle will have blown. The game will be over. A cascading of electronic bits and bytes will have melted into a digital heap. News anchors will be dumbfounded. Guests appearing on stock-pushing financial programs will be dumbstruck. The gorgeous financial babes will forget to darn makeup and no one will notice. The entire world will be thrust into a state of morning. The banks will not open. There will be civil unrest.

To be terse, the USA will be "Out of business."

The question I have for you is, "How are you preparing for this eventuality?"

You say it cannot happen, our leaders are too smart to let it happen! I say our leaders are self-serving, and cannot stop it, even though they knew how! The only way out of this mess would have been to tighten our belts several years ago, letting the recession work its painful course. However, our leaders spent their time and effort committing governmental accounting fraud. They cooked the books! Have I painted a bleak enough picture?

Do you own any physical gold and silver? Is it stored in a place where you don't have to ask permission to retrieve it?

There won't be many casual survivors over these next few years. What there will be are massive winners and massive losers.

Regardless of their efforts, will those holding the house of cards together be able to stretch the deception long enough to put George Bush back into office? Asking this question should provoke two responses. If you have already seen this coming and made the preparations you feel are necessary, then the answer to this question is muted. However, if you haven't moved to protect yourself for what is coming, the answer to this question will have considerable impact on you. If it were me, I wouldn't wait to find out.

Forget about the short-term price swings of gold and silver as your purchase price will mean absolutely nothing in the long run. What will count is what you have at the moment, not how you came by it.

If this sounds like an emergency posting, then you have received my message. May God bless and keep you all in this time to come.



Don Smith

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

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Old Mar 3, 2004, 09:44 am   #17 (permalink) (top)
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American shouldnt be so imperialistic, theres lots of other nations who want to be imperialists but lack the power. America should give those imperial nations a chance to carve their empire out too!


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Old Mar 3, 2004, 12:36 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
American shouldnt be so imperialistic, theres lots of other nations who want to be imperialists but lack the power. America should give those imperial nations a chance to carve their empire out too!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

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