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geo1671 · Mar 1, 2004, 07:58 am

"Out of the savage war between the French and the black ex-slaves had emerged a grim new leader, Jean Jacques Dessalines. He abandoned Toussaint's attempt to create a multi-racial society. Instead, Dessalines removed the white stripe from the French tricolor to create a new flag -- and chose the Carib Indian name Haiti for his country. His army marched through Haiti, ruthlessly slaughtering every white person still alive on the island. This brutal denoument sent a shudder of dread through the American South."
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Many whites in America are stupid and if they only knew how much blacks hate them. Many don't know that the Indian population in carribean countries were slaughtered by the settling African blacks. I guess it was O.K. for America then to forget about dead indians but when it came to all whites killed--lets punish them. I say send all Haitians back to Africa--free transport and swift boot

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Mathieu · Mar 1, 2004, 08:54 am

And this is supposed to be the reason why we should let haitian slaughter each other in the streets of Port-au-prince ?

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 1, 2004, 01:33 pm

The reason is it's none of our damn business.

Do you run over with a gun if you hear your neighboors arguing with each other? If you do...then i hope you shoot yourself.

dotcoma · Mar 1, 2004, 01:40 pm

Is that what's going on down there? Just one giant arguement?

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 1, 2004, 01:47 pm

Yes.

It's over who is going to be the next ruler.

Impenitent · Mar 1, 2004, 01:50 pm

i thought clinton fixed haiti...

Mathieu · Mar 1, 2004, 02:00 pm

USA have a long history of making trouble in Haiti, so don't tell me it is none of their buisness.

dotcoma · Mar 1, 2004, 02:09 pm

I'm not saying we should intervene militarily but what's happening in Haiti is more than an argument. Your neighbor metaphor doesn't really cut the butter. Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html

eburchelli · Mar 1, 2004, 03:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

How is it common knowledge? Your source is from Australia, citing correspondents in France. I'd say the French connection in itself is suspect.

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 1, 2004, 04:40 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
USA have a long history of making trouble in Haiti, so don't tell me it is none of their buisness. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So what? Just because we've had a history in Haiti doesn't justify continued intervention.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I'm not saying we should intervene militarily but what's happening in Haiti is more than an argument. Your neighbor metaphor doesn't really cut the butter. Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Hardly anyone has died. It's no where near the tragedy that the media wishes it was. It's nothing. We should leave them alone.

Mathieu · Mar 1, 2004, 05:02 pm

Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...

dotcoma · Mar 1, 2004, 05:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,)
Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

How is it common knowledge? Your source is from Australia, citing correspondents in France. I'd say the French connection in itself is suspect.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

It's common knowledge because there are more news sources than New York papers, CNN and FOX NEWS...

http://www.globalexchange.org/tours/361.html

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/20...511_comment.php

http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/haiti0304.php

http://www.blackcommentator.com/69/69_haiti.html

http://www.indybay.org/globalization/#1838

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/feb2004/.../hait-f25.shtml

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsu...ior/8003554.htm

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1995/215/215p20b.htm

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/...rld/8040499.htm

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid...3/08/25/1534210

http://petra-k.greens.org/s-r/27/27-01a.html

http://www.chavezthefilm.com/pdfs/usa.pdf

http://www.counterpunch.org/landau09112003.html

http://www.workers.org/archives/1997/haiti1030.html

Zeebadee · Mar 1, 2004, 10:56 pm

Hey, the U.S. put Aristide in office, and we can take him out. Now we'll just find a new puppet to install. Since when is it anyone elses business how we run Haiti?

Mathieu · Mar 1, 2004, 10:58 pm

Well members of the haitian diaspora who lives in US, Canada and France sure have some concern about it.

koi · Mar 1, 2004, 11:31 pm

ah the US global domination stratagem hard at work. soon another small country will be in their pockets. government is so endearing.

rmnunez · Mar 2, 2004, 03:16 am

The humanitarian crisis resulting from Aristide's rule merited some action, the fact that the place is near Miami and that previously victims of such crises in that island have washed up in Florida makes American led intervention a sensible consideration. Additionally, the fact that the US is nearby and has both the means and interest, plus past involvement, strongly suggests the Americans should intervene now. Its not further evidence of this American hegemonism rather than a sensible thing to do considering the negative impact thousands of Hatians suddenly arriving in Miami's "Liberty City" would have on the upcomming national elections. Besides, many are upset over the grissly images we keep getting from there.

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 2, 2004, 10:28 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,)
Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If i lived their i'd stay the fuck out of port-au-prince and live a peaceful, government free life.

Mathieu · Mar 2, 2004, 10:30 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,)
Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If i lived their i'd stay the fuck out of port-au-prince and live a peaceful, government free life.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I deduce by that you never been to haiti ...

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 2, 2004, 10:32 am

:rolleyes:

Write Winger · Mar 2, 2004, 11:51 pm

Why would the US want anything from Haiti? First of all it is a poverty ridden hell hole. They have nothing we want...especially more poor people in south Florida. The idea that the US wants to rule haiti is ludicrous.

Mar 1, 2004, 01:50 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	i thought clinton fixed haiti... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Mar 1, 2004, 03:06 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> How is it common knowledge? Your source is from Australia, citing correspondents in France. I'd say the French connection in itself is suspect.

Mar 1, 2004, 04:40 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by USA have a long history of making trouble in Haiti, so don't tell me it is none of their buisness. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So what? Just because we've had a history in Haiti doesn't justify continued intervention. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I'm not saying we should intervene militarily but what's happening in Haiti is more than an argument. Your neighbor metaphor doesn't really cut the butter. Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Hardly anyone has died. It's no where near the tragedy that the media wishes it was. It's nothing. We should leave them alone.

Mar 1, 2004, 05:17 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (roxdog,) Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> How is it common knowledge? Your source is from Australia, citing correspondents in France. I'd say the French connection in itself is suspect.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It's common knowledge because there are more news sources than New York papers, CNN and FOX NEWS... http://www.globalexchange.org/tours/361.html http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/20...511_comment.php http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/haiti0304.php http://www.blackcommentator.com/69/69_haiti.html http://www.indybay.org/globalization/#1838 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/feb2004/.../hait-f25.shtml http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsu...ior/8003554.htm http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1995/215/215p20b.htm http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/...rld/8040499.htm http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid...3/08/25/1534210 http://petra-k.greens.org/s-r/27/27-01a.html http://www.chavezthefilm.com/pdfs/usa.pdf http://www.counterpunch.org/landau09112003.html http://www.workers.org/archives/1997/haiti1030.html

Mar 1, 2004, 10:56 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,836	Hey, the U.S. put Aristide in office, and we can take him out. Now we'll just find a new puppet to install. Since when is it anyone elses business how we run Haiti? "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Mar 1, 2004, 07:58 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
geo1671 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 5	"Out of the savage war between the French and the black ex-slaves had emerged a grim new leader, Jean Jacques Dessalines. He abandoned Toussaint's attempt to create a multi-racial society. Instead, Dessalines removed the white stripe from the French tricolor to create a new flag -- and chose the Carib Indian name Haiti for his country. His army marched through Haiti, ruthlessly slaughtering every white person still alive on the island. This brutal denoument sent a shudder of dread through the American South." ***************************************************************************** Many whites in America are stupid and if they only knew how much blacks hate them. Many don't know that the Indian population in carribean countries were slaughtered by the settling African blacks. I guess it was O.K. for America then to forget about dead indians but when it came to all whites killed--lets punish them. I say send all Haitians back to Africa--free transport and swift boot .

Mar 1, 2004, 08:54 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	And this is supposed to be the reason why we should let haitian slaughter each other in the streets of Port-au-prince ?

Mar 1, 2004, 01:33 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	The reason is it's none of our damn business. Do you run over with a gun if you hear your neighboors arguing with each other? If you do...then i hope you shoot yourself.

Mar 1, 2004, 01:40 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Is that what's going on down there? Just one giant arguement?

Mar 1, 2004, 01:47 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Yes. It's over who is going to be the next ruler.

Mar 1, 2004, 02:00 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	USA have a long history of making trouble in Haiti, so don't tell me it is none of their buisness.

Mar 1, 2004, 02:09 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I'm not saying we should intervene militarily but what's happening in Haiti is more than an argument. Your neighbor metaphor doesn't really cut the butter. Besides, it's common knowledge in Europe and South America that the Coup is funded by the U.S. http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html

Mar 1, 2004, 05:02 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...

Mar 1, 2004, 10:58 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	Well members of the haitian diaspora who lives in US, Canada and France sure have some concern about it.

Mar 1, 2004, 11:31 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
koi Molten Ash Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 63	ah the US global domination stratagem hard at work. soon another small country will be in their pockets. government is so endearing. "Optimisim is the madness of insisting that all is well when we are miserable" Voltaire "The point of sacrifice is giving up something you didn't want in the first place"

Mar 2, 2004, 03:16 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	The humanitarian crisis resulting from Aristide's rule merited some action, the fact that the place is near Miami and that previously victims of such crises in that island have washed up in Florida makes American led intervention a sensible consideration. Additionally, the fact that the US is nearby and has both the means and interest, plus past involvement, strongly suggests the Americans should intervene now. Its not further evidence of this American hegemonism rather than a sensible thing to do considering the negative impact thousands of Hatians suddenly arriving in Miami's "Liberty City" would have on the upcomming national elections. Besides, many are upset over the grissly images we keep getting from there. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Mar 2, 2004, 10:28 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,) Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If i lived their i'd stay the fuck out of port-au-prince and live a peaceful, government free life.

Mar 2, 2004, 10:30 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,) Yeah yeah, if you lived there, you would be the first to call for intervention ...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If i lived their i'd stay the fuck out of port-au-prince and live a peaceful, government free life.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I deduce by that you never been to haiti ...

Mar 2, 2004, 10:32 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	:rolleyes:

Mar 2, 2004, 11:51 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Write Winger Molten Ash Location: Texas Posts: 96	Why would the US want anything from Haiti? First of all it is a poverty ridden hell hole. They have nothing we want...especially more poor people in south Florida. The idea that the US wants to rule haiti is ludicrous. My book... Write Winger: Solutions for the Politically Oblique available from Booklocker.com