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Kyran · Mar 1, 2004, 08:38 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,)
And what other way do you suggest that worker's rights are protected without government?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Maybe if we actually had some actual workers in our electronics industry there would be rights to protect. Ya think? Like I said, come up with a different solution. I believe you can do anything you put your mind to.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,)
Unless you want to grant the workers the right to burn down the executive's house and places of business when they are pushed to far I don't see how removing government from the equation is anything but a HORRID solution to the problem that is actually not cause by cost of labor but caused by the INSANE cost of management when one executive pulls in more than 500 workers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Don't get all emotional! Let's see you go and run a business "correctly" Mister Know-it-all.

I suppose if you had a multi-million dollar company, your top-level management would be okay making the same amount of income as those at the bottom? Get real.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,)
The problem is at the TOP, not the BOTTOM<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Say that once more, maybe a genie will pop out.

Just because you chant it doesn't make it true.

Until you actually run a successful business, do not instruct others how they should run theirs. Why? Because if you aren't willing to do what you say, then why should anyone else? You gain no credibility doing that. If it's good for you, you do it first and then we'll follow your lead. Otherwise, keep your big mouth shut and stop acting like you know something that multi-millionaires don't. You have NOT proven you are any wiser.

Thanks for proving my point by the way.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
Democrats don't want any of their "worker's rights" regulations overturned.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I love predicting the future.

I'll be completely specific about this subject too.

1. Child Labor Laws
--if children facing poverty desire to seek employment to help out their families, Democrats say No.

2. Overtime Pay
--even though many poor people are forced to get two jobs, Democrats still support this.
--if you don't want OT pay, Democrats still say No.

3. Minimum Wage Laws
--even though poor people get laid off and have to work harder when MW goes up, Democrats still support this.
--if you don't want to be paid minimum wage, Democrats still say No.

4. Social Security
--even though nobody is gonna get out of social security what they put into it, Democrats still support it.
--if you want out of Social Security, Democrats say No.

That is why the DNC agenda, ranked by www.ontheissues.org, is revealed to be socialist-populist.

Pack, you are at leisure to state any opposition you have to these democratic positions. I have no problem with being wrong. I also have no problem with being right; it all depends on how you choose to be.

It's one thing to force people against their will into something they want nothing to do with. It's worse when you refuse to address any of their grievances. It's backstabbing to try to control your employer from the government. It's utter hatred when you insult the people who create the jobs in this country; claiming the WORKERS are responsible for the success of the entrepeneur and that they OWE the workers more than they're getting.

Pack, you don't create jobs. America can go on without you. It takes absolutely 0 brainpower to get a job. OM DOM DOM DEE I'll do what u tell me to. As soon as monkeys learn to utter that phrase, your job is in danger. Maintaining sales and competing in the industrialized world take sharp professional skills. Have I offended you yet?

Once you understand the Sad But True, you learn how to use the rules to your advantage. See, I think you're potential is greater than that of a chimpanzee. I think that you could apply yourself in the free market and make it big if you just learn to do what successful people do. Bashing and insulting those people shows that you refuse to learn from them.

Mar 2, 2004, 09:24 pm

I own a Kawasaki cycle...built in Nebraska by American workers taking home American money-A full dress Harley has a radio or CB radio with electronics made overseas....You can't buy a PURE anything! Everything is made everywhere!

mlingley · Mar 6, 2004, 12:46 am

http://cgi.citizen-times.com/cgi-bin/story/49719

There are alot more unemployed in the United States than the current unemployment figures indicate. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of americans have no job... and no prospects. My mom is an out of work computer programmer.. she's been out of work for almost a year now.. I lost my job as a computer tech about 6 months ago and I can't even get a job in a restaraunt being a waiter. Things are tight.. especially in my area. If things don't start to pick up I think the economy is going to be in big trouble.. especially if gas goes up to 3 bucks a gallon like they're saying it will.. people's credit cards are going to be maxed out!

RebelWithanAK · Mar 6, 2004, 02:32 am

Republicans were always about semantics. This nonsense about food service is just a more brazen example than most.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/28/nyregion...n/28employ.html
http://www.cssny.org/pubs/special/2004_02l...labormarket.pdf

Even with such magical semantical trickery, those figures are a travesty.

Zeebadee · Mar 6, 2004, 11:56 am

You people are missing the point here. You keep attempting to bring reality into this discussion. It has nothing to do with reality, it's all about perception. It doesn't matter what's real, it's all about stemming the loss of manufacturing jobs. On paper, there will be a huge addition of manufacturing jobs that Bush can point to and tell us what a great job he's doing. It doesn't matter that they're not real, it only matters that he can't be accused of lying about it. Typical of government, it's all smoke and mirrors.

RebelWithanAK · Mar 6, 2004, 12:34 pm

Hey, what did I just say? Semantics, semantics, semantical bullshit.

Zeebadee · Mar 6, 2004, 01:13 pm

10,000 gomens, Reb. I had to go and register to get your full post.

Mar 1, 2004, 08:38 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,) And what other way do you suggest that worker's rights are protected without government?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Maybe if we actually had some actual workers in our electronics industry there would be rights to protect. Ya think? Like I said, come up with a different solution. I believe you can do anything you put your mind to. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,) Unless you want to grant the workers the right to burn down the executive's house and places of business when they are pushed to far I don't see how removing government from the equation is anything but a HORRID solution to the problem that is actually not cause by cost of labor but caused by the INSANE cost of management when one executive pulls in more than 500 workers.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Don't get all emotional! Let's see you go and run a business "correctly" Mister Know-it-all. I suppose if you had a multi-million dollar company, your top-level management would be okay making the same amount of income as those at the bottom? Get real. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Packratt,) The problem is at the TOP, not the BOTTOM<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Say that once more, maybe a genie will pop out. Just because you chant it doesn't make it true. Until you actually run a successful business, do not instruct others how they should run theirs. Why? Because if you aren't willing to do what you say, then why should anyone else? You gain no credibility doing that. If it's good for you, you do it first and then we'll follow your lead. Otherwise, keep your big mouth shut and stop acting like you know something that multi-millionaires don't. You have NOT proven you are any wiser. Thanks for proving my point by the way. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) Democrats don't want any of their "worker's rights" regulations overturned.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I love predicting the future. I'll be completely specific about this subject too. 1. Child Labor Laws --if children facing poverty desire to seek employment to help out their families, Democrats say No. 2. Overtime Pay --even though many poor people are forced to get two jobs, Democrats still support this. --if you don't want OT pay, Democrats still say No. 3. Minimum Wage Laws --even though poor people get laid off and have to work harder when MW goes up, Democrats still support this. --if you don't want to be paid minimum wage, Democrats still say No. 4. Social Security --even though nobody is gonna get out of social security what they put into it, Democrats still support it. --if you want out of Social Security, Democrats say No. That is why the DNC agenda, ranked by www.ontheissues.org, is revealed to be socialist-populist. Pack, you are at leisure to state any opposition you have to these democratic positions. I have no problem with being wrong. I also have no problem with being right; it all depends on how you choose to be. It's one thing to force people against their will into something they want nothing to do with. It's worse when you refuse to address any of their grievances. It's backstabbing to try to control your employer from the government. It's utter hatred when you insult the people who create the jobs in this country; claiming the WORKERS are responsible for the success of the entrepeneur and that they OWE the workers more than they're getting. Pack, you don't create jobs. America can go on without you. It takes absolutely 0 brainpower to get a job. OM DOM DOM DEE I'll do what u tell me to. As soon as monkeys learn to utter that phrase, your job is in danger. Maintaining sales and competing in the industrialized world take sharp professional skills. Have I offended you yet? Once you understand the Sad But True, you learn how to use the rules to your advantage. See, I think you're potential is greater than that of a chimpanzee. I think that you could apply yourself in the free market and make it big if you just learn to do what successful people do. Bashing and insulting those people shows that you refuse to learn from them.

Mar 6, 2004, 02:32 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Republicans were always about semantics. This nonsense about food service is just a more brazen example than most. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/28/nyregion...n/28employ.html http://www.cssny.org/pubs/special/2004_02l...labormarket.pdf Even with such magical semantical trickery, those figures are a travesty. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Mar 6, 2004, 11:56 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,836	You people are missing the point here. You keep attempting to bring reality into this discussion. It has nothing to do with reality, it's all about perception. It doesn't matter what's real, it's all about stemming the loss of manufacturing jobs. On paper, there will be a huge addition of manufacturing jobs that Bush can point to and tell us what a great job he's doing. It doesn't matter that they're not real, it only matters that he can't be accused of lying about it. Typical of government, it's all smoke and mirrors. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Mar 6, 2004, 12:34 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Hey, what did I just say? Semantics, semantics, semantical bullshit. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Mar 6, 2004, 01:13 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,836	10,000 gomens, Reb. I had to go and register to get your full post. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Mar 2, 2004, 09:24 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	I own a Kawasaki cycle...built in Nebraska by American workers taking home American money-A full dress Harley has a radio or CB radio with electronics made overseas....You can't buy a PURE anything! Everything is made everywhere!

Mar 6, 2004, 12:46 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	http://cgi.citizen-times.com/cgi-bin/story/49719 There are alot more unemployed in the United States than the current unemployment figures indicate. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of americans have no job... and no prospects. My mom is an out of work computer programmer.. she's been out of work for almost a year now.. I lost my job as a computer tech about 6 months ago and I can't even get a job in a restaraunt being a waiter. Things are tight.. especially in my area. If things don't start to pick up I think the economy is going to be in big trouble.. especially if gas goes up to 3 bucks a gallon like they're saying it will.. people's credit cards are going to be maxed out!