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Kyran · Feb 27, 2004, 04:26 pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=37308

Article summary:
Howard Stern has been suspended by Clear Channel Communications for broadcasting "indecent" material which may not be in concordance with FCC regulations.

John Hogan, CEO of Clear Channel Radio:
"We will not air Howard Stern on Clear Channel stations until we are assured that his show will conform to acceptable standards of responsible broadcasting."

Interpretation:

So much for freedom of speech. The government is still in the business of controlling what people can and cannot say. Take note that neo-con rightwingers have circulated articles and petitions demanding restrictions against use of the forbidden words on airwaves and television. Townhall.com had one such petition against the use of the "F" word. This isn't anything new.

I don't listen to Howard Stern. But that's my personal choice. I don't decide what Howard can and cannot say. He's big time enough that SOMEBODY out there wants to listen. Why should people who don't want to hear him have the power to shut him up when they can always change the channel?

How should we deal with this situation?

Marine Inspector · Feb 27, 2004, 04:33 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=37308

So much for freedom of speech. The government is still in the business of controlling what people can and cannot say. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Clear Channel is not the Government and as a private corporation has the right to choose who they put on the air.

Stern's freedom of speech has not been affected.

Marine Inspector

james? · Feb 27, 2004, 04:34 pm

Fucking recidulous. You really got it right on in bringing up the point that you can always just change the station, no one's forcing anyone to listen to Howard Stern.

Impenitent · Feb 27, 2004, 04:40 pm

if you want to broadcast stern, buy a station and do it... you are free to do so as stern is free to speak...

as a PRIVATE company, clear channel had every right to do as it wished with its property...

stern does not have the right to demand that clear station carry him... if that were the case, I'd have the right to demand they carry ME...

Kyran · Feb 27, 2004, 04:42 pm

Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.

Do you see what I'm saying?

terstorm · Feb 27, 2004, 04:43 pm

Clear Channel is full of sh*t, i mean they only play horrid pop music anyway on most of their stations. Their loss.

I don't really like howard stern, but I like his anti-PC rhetoric so I hope some other station picks him up.

Impenitent · Feb 27, 2004, 04:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.

Do you see what I'm saying?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

the police IS the government and it is ARRESTING people for not complying with the rules (LAW) ... the murderer's freedom was very much effected... what he can do is subject to the government's approval...

do you see what you are saying? :rolleyes:

Kyran · Feb 27, 2004, 05:22 pm

Imp, you picked the wrong argument today. Your analogy is a complete malfunction of logic. Free speech is a Right. The government has absolutely no jurisdiction over the content of airwaves, media, or any other form of broadcast. It has no authority to punish or reward anyone for expressing themselves.

You compare talk to murder? Please, argue with me. I dare you.

It's the LAW to not say certain things? What part of the constitution gave government the authority to do that? Is this what George Washington fought for?

"Don't worry men, one day our children will be able to control Howard Stern."

Don't make me laugh. The LAW says government cannot regulate anyone's speech or expression. Maybe we need to jerk some FCC officials off their thrones and toss them in a nice cold AIDS-infested prison cell.

In case you didn't notice, murderers don't come with a knob that allows you to "not be murderered." Please argue your point though. I'd like to know why you think YOU should have freedom to speak when you, evidently, do NOT believe Howard has that same right.

james? · Feb 27, 2004, 06:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Marine Inspector,)
Clear Channel is not the Government and as a private corporation has the right to choose who they put on the air.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Ooo, great point.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Really? This is truly going on? Why does the government have anything to do with this?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
the police IS the government and it is ARRESTING people for not complying with the rules (LAW) ... the murderer's freedom was very much effected... what he can do is subject to the government's approval...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What, are you serious? How can you possibly compare murder to 'offensive' speech? Of even the statists, who would want their own speech and opinions subject to government approval? Honestly, how would anyone not consider this a violation of bare freedom?

terstorm · Feb 27, 2004, 07:08 pm

Actually...for what its worth, Clear Channel still plays Michael Savage who is even more offensive than Howard Stern ever was.

I think Clear Channel probably had some kind of motive for this. I don't know what, cause I don't really listen to Stern's show.

Kyran · Feb 27, 2004, 07:43 pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36804

You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that the FCC just fined Clear Channel some $750,000.00 do ya? Bad bad BAD media! Don't say or show anything the government doesn't like or you'll have to pay!

Marine Inspector · Feb 27, 2004, 09:02 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Wrong.

Stern can say what he wants and it is not subject to government approval.

Yes, the FCC (aka The Government) does regulate what can be broadcast over the radio. The Government regulates many things and that is a whole different issue. Clear Channel cancelled his show, not the Government. Clear Channel has that right.

Clear Channel owns over 1200 stations and Stern is on 6 of them. He was cancelled from its 6 stations. Stern is still on 41 other radio stations own by other companies.

This was the decision of Clear Channel, not the FCC. If it was the FCC, then the other 41 stations would have been heavily fined and most likely we would see more of the 41 stations dropping him. Since that is not the case, then this was a decision by a radio station owner and not the FCC. Clear Channel has the right to decide who airs on its stations.

Stern has no right to be carried on Clear Channels radio stations, so his free speech is not affected.

Marine Inspector

Marine Inspector · Feb 27, 2004, 09:03 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36804

You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that the FCC just fined Clear Channel some $750,000.00 do ya? Bad bad BAD media! Don't say or show anything the government doesn't like or you'll have to pay!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

No I don't. If this was the case, the FCC would have fined the 41 other radio stations that carry Stern. They did not.

Marine Inspector

castille · Feb 27, 2004, 10:44 pm

In Europe, they ban Nazism.

Isnt that also limiting freedom? You can be arrested for displaying a Nazi flag on your computer.

Mathieu · Feb 27, 2004, 10:52 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
In Europe, they ban Nazism.

Isnt that also limiting freedom? You can be arrested for displaying a Nazi flag on your computer.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

That is untrue, there is law against hate speech,but no such thing like that . You are again deforming the fact, castille. And europ do not constitul a full legal entity , as far as I know.

castille · Feb 27, 2004, 10:55 pm

If so, then why is it computer software released in Europe are not allowed to carry the Nazi flag?

But fact is, speech control is everywhere. There's even speech control on these forums. If the mods on this forum dont agree with a certain thread, they shut it down.

You just deal with it. I've lived in a country where reporters got arrested got blowing the whistle on police corruption. I just went along with the rules.

Mathieu · Feb 27, 2004, 11:01 pm

Added: NOT AS A MODERATOR

Common, if you can't see why the thread you start are closed, too bad for you. If your not happy, there is all the ressources out there to start your own board , castille.

Mia · Feb 28, 2004, 12:20 am

Are people really saying that Free Speech means anything can be said or shown anywhere? Pornography and the filthiest words anywhere? That's what's at issue here - not political views or something.

Kyran · Feb 28, 2004, 12:42 am

Ohhhhhhhhh no ya don't.

Quote by: Marine Inspector
Stern can say what he wants and it is not subject to government approval.

Yes, the FCC (aka The Government) does regulate what can be broadcast over the radio. The Government regulates many things and that is a whole different issue.

Nice water-down attempt. That is an evasion tactic. We're not talking about any other thing the government is regulating. The FCC regulating airwaves is not a different issue -- it is THE issue as I have made clear already. It's the TOPIC.

Nice straw man attempt too. I never said Howard Stern had a right to work for Clear Channel. I never said forum owners don't have the right to restrict speech on their own property. Your argument is totally obliterated.

[quote,]If this was the case, the FCC would have fined the 41 other radio stations that carry Stern[/quote]

The FCC didn't fine ANYBODY for carrying Stern. Don't you read the links I provide?

Now, back to the ISSUE: FCC regulating free speech.

Clear Channel is forced by FCC Regulations to not broadcast "indecent" material. Don't make me prove it; I can and will.

The technique employed to control the speech of Howard Stern can be called Inherited-Legislation. This is where the government tells a business (A) that it cannot do X action, and an employee (B) receives the end regulation. Sure, the FCC does not explicitly regulate Howard Stern. It regulates his employer and therefore him. Passing force through a neutral medium is still force.

If the FCC told Sean that he would be fined for any "indecent" material on this forum, then all of us would be legislated by the government.

A hand-me-down law is still a law that controls you.

Point made, baked, and sold.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yo, Moderator Pablo, STFU. Don't come in MY thread stinking up the place. If you want to reprimand somebody, send them a message privately. Don't make a public spectacle out of them. And don't mind me sticking my nose in your business, because you stuck your BUSINESS in THIS thread. So I'm gonna give you a piece of my mind. And buddy, you won't like it.

Ineffective forum moderation is telling others they broke the rules, but not which ones. Of course, if you cared about doing your job right you wouldn't have brought it up in this thread.

Castille never said that (his/her?) threads were shut down by mods who don't agree with it. The point made was something about Microsoft's font containing a nazi symbol; and said software being banned from Europe. I find this highly believable; but I did not hear anything about a ban from my media sources. Please link us to verify the accuracy.

Castille, I don't want to stop ALL speech control; only GOVERNMENT speech control. Sean can ban us or shut us up if he wants to, but he won't throw us in the dungeon or take our money. That's completely fair to me. His rules work 100% in my favor in every argument. I can't wait until Straw Man tactics get banned. How bout you Mathieu? Hahahahaha.

I sincerely hope there's no funny business going on. The forum does have good rules. If you think they're not being enforced correctly, tell Sean. This really isn't the right place for it. I'm not one to jump to judgment. I cannot verify who's right in your dispute. Plus it's not my responsibility to resolve your situation. All I can really do is suggest working this out yourselves.

Stay on topic =).

Mia · Feb 28, 2004, 01:07 am

Quote:

Quote by: Kyran,

Ohhhhhhhhh no ya don't.

Quote by: Marine Inspector
Stern can say what he wants and it is not subject to government approval.

Yes, the FCC (aka The Government) does regulate what can be broadcast over the radio. The Government regulates many things and that is a whole different issue.

Nice water-down attempt. That is an evasion tactic. We're not talking about any other thing the government is regulating. The FCC regulating airwaves is not a different issue -- it is THE issue as I have made clear already. It's the TOPIC.

Nice straw man attempt too. I never said Howard Stern had a right to work for Clear Channel. I never said forum owners don't have the right to restrict speech on their own property. Your argument is totally obliterated.

[quote,]If this was the case, the FCC would have fined the 41 other radio stations that carry Stern

The FCC didn't fine ANYBODY for carrying Stern. Don't you read the links I provide?

Now, back to the ISSUE: FCC regulating free speech.

Clear Channel is forced by FCC Regulations to not broadcast "indecent" material. Don't make me prove it; I can and will.

Stay on topic =).[/quote]

1) Please go ahead and prove it instead of ranting some more (it looks like you didn't take the chill-pill reccomendation) and the FCC has always regulated "decency". This is not new nor opposed by most.

Feb 27, 2004, 04:33 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Marine Inspector Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=37308 So much for freedom of speech. The government is still in the business of controlling what people can and cannot say. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Clear Channel is not the Government and as a private corporation has the right to choose who they put on the air. Stern's freedom of speech has not been affected. Marine Inspector "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

Feb 27, 2004, 04:40 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	if you want to broadcast stern, buy a station and do it... you are free to do so as stern is free to speak... as a PRIVATE company, clear channel had every right to do as it wished with its property... stern does not have the right to demand that clear station carry him... if that were the case, I'd have the right to demand they carry ME... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 27, 2004, 04:43 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
terstorm Molten Ash Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 60	Clear Channel is full of sht, i mean they only play horrid pop music anyway on most of their stations. Their loss. I don't really like howard stern, but I like his anti-PC rhetoric so I hope some other station picks him up. <span style='color:blue'>Things Fall Apart---the centre cannot hold</span>* Storm

Feb 27, 2004, 04:48 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval. Do you see what I'm saying?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> the police IS the government and it is ARRESTING people for not complying with the rules (LAW) ... the murderer's freedom was very much effected... what he can do is subject to the government's approval... do you see what you are saying? :rolleyes: "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 27, 2004, 06:12 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
james? Molten Ash Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Marine Inspector,) Clear Channel is not the Government and as a private corporation has the right to choose who they put on the air.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Ooo, great point. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Really? This is truly going on? Why does the government have anything to do with this? </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) the police IS the government and it is ARRESTING people for not complying with the rules (LAW) ... the murderer's freedom was very much effected... what he can do is subject to the government's approval...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What, are you serious? How can you possibly compare murder to 'offensive' speech? Of even the statists, who would want their own speech and opinions subject to government approval? Honestly, how would anyone not consider this a violation of bare freedom?

Feb 27, 2004, 04:26 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=37308 Article summary: Howard Stern has been suspended by Clear Channel Communications for broadcasting "indecent" material which may not be in concordance with FCC regulations. John Hogan, CEO of Clear Channel Radio: "We will not air Howard Stern on Clear Channel stations until we are assured that his show will conform* to acceptable standards of responsible broadcasting."* Interpretation: So much for freedom of speech. The government is still in the business of controlling what people can and cannot say. Take note that neo-con rightwingers have circulated articles and petitions demanding restrictions against use of the forbidden words on airwaves and television. Townhall.com had one such petition against the use of the "F" word. This isn't anything new. I don't listen to Howard Stern. But that's my personal choice. I don't decide what Howard can and cannot say. He's big time enough that SOMEBODY out there wants to listen. Why should people who don't want to hear him have the power to shut him up when they can always change the channel? How should we deal with this situation?

Feb 27, 2004, 04:34 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
james? Molten Ash Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	Fucking recidulous. You really got it right on in bringing up the point that you can always just change the station, no one's forcing anyone to listen to Howard Stern.

Feb 27, 2004, 04:42 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval. Do you see what I'm saying?

Feb 27, 2004, 05:22 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	Imp, you picked the wrong argument today. Your analogy is a complete malfunction of logic. Free speech is a Right. The government has absolutely no jurisdiction over the content of airwaves, media, or any other form of broadcast. It has no authority to punish or reward anyone for expressing themselves. You compare talk to murder? Please, argue with me. I dare you. It's the LAW to not say certain things? What part of the constitution gave government the authority to do that? Is this what George Washington fought for? "Don't worry men, one day our children will be able to control Howard Stern." Don't make me laugh. The LAW says government cannot regulate anyone's speech or expression. Maybe we need to jerk some FCC officials off their thrones and toss them in a nice cold AIDS-infested prison cell. In case you didn't notice, murderers don't come with a knob that allows you to "not be murderered." Please argue your point though. I'd like to know why you think YOU should have freedom to speak when you, evidently, do NOT believe Howard has that same right.

Feb 27, 2004, 07:08 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
terstorm Molten Ash Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 60	Actually...for what its worth, Clear Channel still plays Michael Savage who is even more offensive than Howard Stern ever was. I think Clear Channel probably had some kind of motive for this. I don't know what, cause I don't really listen to Stern's show. <span style='color:blue'>Things Fall Apart---the centre cannot hold</span> Storm

Feb 27, 2004, 07:43 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36804 You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that the FCC just fined Clear Channel some $750,000.00 do ya? Bad bad BAD media! Don't say or show anything the government doesn't like or you'll have to pay!

Feb 27, 2004, 09:02 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Marine Inspector Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) Marine, the FCC IS the government and it IS fining companies for broadcasting any speech that do not comply with it's rules. Stern's freedom has very much been affected. What he can say is subject to government approval.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Wrong. Stern can say what he wants and it is not subject to government approval. Yes, the FCC (aka The Government) does regulate what can be broadcast over the radio. The Government regulates many things and that is a whole different issue. Clear Channel cancelled his show, not the Government. Clear Channel has that right. Clear Channel owns over 1200 stations and Stern is on 6 of them. He was cancelled from its 6 stations. Stern is still on 41 other radio stations own by other companies. This was the decision of Clear Channel, not the FCC. If it was the FCC, then the other 41 stations would have been heavily fined and most likely we would see more of the 41 stations dropping him. Since that is not the case, then this was a decision by a radio station owner and not the FCC. Clear Channel has the right to decide who airs on its stations. Stern has no right to be carried on Clear Channels radio stations, so his free speech is not affected. Marine Inspector "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

Feb 27, 2004, 09:03 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Marine Inspector Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Kyran,) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36804 You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that the FCC just fined Clear Channel some $750,000.00 do ya? Bad bad BAD media! Don't say or show anything the government doesn't like or you'll have to pay!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No I don't. If this was the case, the FCC would have fined the 41 other radio stations that carry Stern. They did not. Marine Inspector "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

Feb 27, 2004, 10:44 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	In Europe, they ban Nazism. Isnt that also limiting freedom? You can be arrested for displaying a Nazi flag on your computer. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 27, 2004, 10:52 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) In Europe, they ban Nazism. Isnt that also limiting freedom? You can be arrested for displaying a Nazi flag on your computer.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> That is untrue, there is law against hate speech,but no such thing like that . You are again deforming the fact, castille. And europ do not constitul a full legal entity , as far as I know.

Feb 27, 2004, 10:55 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	If so, then why is it computer software released in Europe are not allowed to carry the Nazi flag? But fact is, speech control is everywhere. There's even speech control on these forums. If the mods on this forum dont agree with a certain thread, they shut it down. You just deal with it. I've lived in a country where reporters got arrested got blowing the whistle on police corruption. I just went along with the rules. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 27, 2004, 11:01 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	Added: NOT AS A MODERATOR Common, if you can't see why the thread you start are closed, too bad for you. If your not happy, there is all the ressources out there to start your own board , castille.

Feb 28, 2004, 12:20 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Are people really saying that Free Speech means anything can be said or shown anywhere? Pornography and the filthiest words anywhere? That's what's at issue here - not political views or something. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Feb 28, 2004, 12:42 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	Ohhhhhhhhh no ya don't. Quote by: Marine Inspector Stern can say what he wants and it is not subject to government approval. Yes, the FCC (aka The Government) does regulate what can be broadcast over the radio. The Government regulates many things and that is a whole different issue. Nice water-down attempt. That is an evasion tactic. We're not talking about any other thing the government is regulating. The FCC regulating airwaves is not a different issue -- it is THE issue as I have made clear already. It's the TOPIC. Nice straw man attempt too. I never said Howard Stern had a right to work for Clear Channel. I never said forum owners don't have the right to restrict speech on their own property. Your argument is totally obliterated. [quote,]If this was the case, the FCC would have fined the 41 other radio stations that carry Stern[/quote] The FCC didn't fine ANYBODY for carrying Stern. Don't you read the links I provide? Now, back to the ISSUE: FCC regulating free speech. Clear Channel is forced by FCC Regulations to not broadcast "indecent" material. Don't make me prove it; I can and will. The technique employed to control the speech of Howard Stern can be called Inherited-Legislation. This is where the government tells a business (A) that it cannot do X action, and an employee (B) receives the end regulation. Sure, the FCC does not explicitly regulate Howard Stern. It regulates his employer and therefore him. Passing force through a neutral medium is still force. If the FCC told Sean that he would be fined for any "indecent" material on this forum, then all of us would be legislated by the government. A hand-me-down law is still a law that controls you. Point made, baked, and sold. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yo, Moderator Pablo, STFU. Don't come in MY thread stinking up the place. If you want to reprimand somebody, send them a message privately. Don't make a public spectacle out of them. And don't mind me sticking my nose in your business, because you stuck your BUSINESS in THIS thread. So I'm gonna give you a piece of my mind. And buddy, you won't like it. Ineffective forum moderation is telling others they broke the rules, but not which ones. Of course, if you cared about doing your job right you wouldn't have brought it up in this thread. Castille never said that (his/her?) threads were shut down by mods who don't agree with it. The point made was something about Microsoft's font containing a nazi symbol; and said software being banned from Europe. I find this highly believable; but I did not hear anything about a ban from my media sources. Please link us to verify the accuracy. Castille, I don't want to stop ALL speech control; only GOVERNMENT speech control. Sean can ban us or shut us up if he wants to, but he won't throw us in the dungeon or take our money. That's completely fair to me. His rules work 100% in my favor in every argument. I can't wait until Straw Man tactics get banned. How bout you Mathieu? Hahahahaha. I sincerely hope there's no funny business going on. The forum does have good rules. If you think they're not being enforced correctly, tell Sean. This really isn't the right place for it. I'm not one to jump to judgment. I cannot verify who's right in your dispute. Plus it's not my responsibility to resolve your situation. All I can really do is suggest working this out yourselves. Stay on topic =).