Bush, he and his cronies have the power...

[Mr.Vicchio]

They have, according to some, the power to do the following:

Pull off 9/11. Either Directly, indirectly, or through inaction.

They have the media hushed on the issue.

They saught all the oil in Iraq.

They ensure the silence of literally thousands to do thier bidding without question.

They can kill 3,000+ Americans for oil and money using the CIA, FBI and the US Military.

But...

They can't keep the media from doing its best to destroy George Bush as President.

They cannot shut down websites that tell the "truth" about 9/11.

They cannot use thier "Gestapo powers granted by the patriot act" to silence those that know "the truth"

They cannot even make sure Bush is seen speaking well in public.


For all that power they are claimed to have, they sure don't seem to use it very well...

....

Another observation from the left:

Bush the biggest idiot and moron on earth..

But he keeps kicking thier asses in elections... amazing.

[dotcoma]

You don't understand. You define things in context with what TV tells you. "They" (as you defined them) cannot ensure the silence of "literally thousands" (interesting figure, "literally"). There have been hundreds (if not "literally thousands") of government whistle blowers. Cele Castillo, Mike Levine, John O'Neill (died on 9/11 on the 24th floor of WTC), Robert Wright (just to name a few off the top of my head)..ex CIA, DEA, FBI, CPS, NSA who have gone public with information.

[Mr.Vicchio]

RoxDog, your info thought, it fails to meet a simple test. A VERY Simple one.

Teh media hates Bush, why aren't they bashing him with this?

They are in on it too?

If so why are the so freely attacking him with such hate?

It doesn't add up.

[dotcoma]

Exactly, it doesn't add up. You are stuck on the whole Left V Right deal. Wake up dude! Both sides are controlled. Both sides are culpible. The media isn't bashing him because "the left" (aka Clinton and Co.) helped set the stage for 9/11 as well. To expose one side in this particular light would expose the broader, global implications as well which is not liberal OR conservative, but simply: tyrannical command and controllers hell-bent on a global, fascist state that controlls every aspect of our lives (even if we are unaware of it, as in your case).

[Mr.Vicchio]

Clinton set teh stage yes, by failing to deal with the problem effectivly. Bush didn't help matters by not stepping to the challenge sooner. But once the Extremist Muslims made their attack, Bush transformed into an effective leader and is prosecuting the war the best he can.

[Mia]

you are a michael moore fan. He's the epitome of the rich white guys he bashes and his sources are disproven over and over.

[Mathieu]

If it is the best he can then He have very limited capacities ...

[Mr.Vicchio]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,)
If it is the best he can then He have very limited capacities ...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


And you have a better plan I suppose?

I guess since we haven't been attacked again, Saddam is in custody,t eh Taliban is disposed, Al-Quada Scattered, Iraq and Afgahnistan... two countries of freed peoples and oh yeah, that whole we haven't been attacked again thing is proof that Bush has done jsut a terrible job.

I suppose we should have bombed an Asprin factory during a blitz of bad media, fired some cruise missles at the sands of Afghanistan, and let the UN bungling disarmement inspection circus continue while the people of Iraq and Afghanistan lived in the worst of conditions and Osama pulled off another mass attack because we were weak.

Yes that was a much more effective system of dealing with Terror.

[Mathieu]

Oh yeah, those afghan and iraqui women are better with the Sharia imposed to them today. Us wages a war based on a lie to support their oil imperative... What is the link with terror here ? Taliban grow in force in Afghanistan an terrorism is rebuilding stronger and stronger .

Selectively choosing the event you want to display is hypocrisy IMHO.

[Mia]

Here's where we get into very muddy water. I don't agree with the conspiracy thing about 9/11, but I also don't agree we helped anyone in Iraq, either. The Iraqi's are in worse condition than when we came. The fundamentalist Sharia law as mentioned above is now in force in the abcence of a real government and enough police, courts, etc. They flat out said they are restricted from doing everything they want (limb chpping, executions) while the US is there, but as soon as we leave...and for Afganistan, the only thing better there is a small area that we are in control of. Everyone else is subject to the same they were before we got there.

These people will be returned to the state they were in or worse in no time after we leave - only the oil companies will be the benefactors of our wars, this much is true.

The Afgans themselves said the Northern Alliance, who we used to fight the Taliban and who we were trusting, are no better than the Taliban. The Afgan people said they were just as corrupt, just as much rapists and murderers as the Taliban.

So how are we helping them?

Who is the gentle dictator that will take over in Iraq when we leave?

[Write Winger]

Sounds to me like someone isn't taking their Paxil. The giant government conspiracy to wreck the world trade center and kill thousands so that evil cartel "THEY" can have the Iraqi oil and gain control of the media so the people won't find out? What incredible rubbish. Shear paranoid twaddle.

Psst....it is really a conspiracy of Free Masons from the midwest whose disdain for some European Jesuits has caused them to disguise themselves as world leaders whom they kidnapped and are holding in a vast underground shadow government installation near Toledo Ohio. They did all this to promote a boycott of a French winery owned by the Jesuits who were using their obscene profits to fund a radical animal rights organization which is really just a front for an organization supporting the recreation of the Soviet Union under Putin.

So if you can't get your facts correct you shouldn't play in the conspiracy sandbox.

[Samildanach]

The whole premise that war is based on is do not engage the enemy until you are sure you can win. Im not sure America will win this war long term. Sure Bush has said yahoo!! its over we won we got Saddam. What a crock! The real test will be how it pans out in the long run. You think the terrorists are going to let the country become stable? I laugh in your general direction...this will go on for years and years and years. Everytime something is constructed it will be destroyed, in a lot of ways America has failed the Iraqi people and will continue to do so in the future. They may have removed a dictator but they have made the country into a guerilla warfare battlefield in the process.

[Impenitent]

years and years, theater to theater... expanding and expanding...

until... a new one begins!

[Mia]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Samildanach,)

in a lot of ways America has failed the Iraqi people and will continue to do so in the future. They may have removed a dictator but they have made the country into a guerilla warfare battlefield in the process.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>


Absolutely. The problem with "giving" people democracy is that it CAN'T be given. It has to be earned and learned over time. All we have liberated them into chaos.

Anyone ever wonder why Saddam had so much support? Because the brutality he handed out is a given to them. They are going to be ruled with brutality regardless. He gave them stability and that is what is hardest to find over there. Like Assad in Syria - he was the first President to remain in power longer than 5 minutes.

The Iraqi's will be under worse rule than before and in a far worse econimic shape than before - unless we continue to occupy and funnell the profits from their oil back to them - but we won't do that. We have to "pay ourselves back for the war" first.

That's ingenious. Start a pre-emptive war and then charge the people whom you've waged war against. And throw in billions of dollars for our oil compaines in the process.

Oh, wait. Don't forget to use taxpayer money to fund the whole thing to begin with, and not even give US back anything. Not even the vets. It's sick the way he cut vet benifits - the very people who are allowing his private pockets to be lined. The whole THING is sick!

We will stay only long enough to get what we want out of it, and to make it looked like we've done our best to "give them democracy"

Sick.

[dotcoma]

Jeez, you guys really believe the TV don't you?

[Mia]

Was there something specific someone said you disagree with or was that a general statement for all the posts in here?