Kill 'em all

[italiangm]

Quote by: tinybear Well, yes, there's a difference as far as we are concerned. Christian fundamentalists are not targetting America.

You can't be serious.

Christian fundamentalists want every person on the face of the earth to practice their belief. Collectively, Christian organizations of every stripe spend millions, if not billions every year attempting to convert people.

Southern Baptists, for example, spend a significant portion of their budget attempting to convert Jews to their religion. Instead of respect, their campaigns frequently express contempt for Jewish beliefs, claiming they'll never enter the kingdom of heaven as long as they remain Jews.

How is this any different than Islamic fundamentalist attempts to convert the world to Islam? Both forms of fundamentalism want their beliefs to dominate.

[Nono]

Quote by: tiny I'm afraid that's not all they want.

I'm not convinced you're necessarily wrong in this claim. But you keep repeating it without a shred of evidence. "Put up or shut up", as the saying goes.

[tinybear]

It's abundantly clear what terrorists want, Nono.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2798

Extracts:

"In nearly all cases, the jihadi terrorists have a patently self-evident ambition: to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, and Islamic law, the Shari'a. Or, again to cite the Daily Telegraph, their "real project is the extension of the Islamic territory across the globe, and the establishment of a worldwide ‘caliphate' founded on Shari'a law."

Terrorists openly declare this goal. The Islamists who assassinated Anwar el-Sadat in 1981 decorated their holding cages with banners proclaiming the "caliphate or death." A biography of one of the most influential Islamist thinkers of recent times and an influence on Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam declares that his life "revolved around a single goal, namely the establishment of Allah's Rule on earth" and restoring the caliphate.

Bin Laden himself spoke of ensuring that "the pious caliphate will start from Afghanistan." His chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, also dreamed of re-establishing the caliphate, for then, he wrote, "history would make a new turn, God willing, in the opposite direction against the empire of the United States and the world's Jewish government." Another Al-Qaeda leader, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, publishes a magazine that has declared "Due to the blessings of jihad, America's countdown has begun. It will declare defeat soon," to be followed by the creation of a caliphate.

Or, as Mohammed Bouyeri wrote in the note he attached to the corpse of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker he had just assassinated, "Islam will be victorious through the blood of martyrs who spread its light in every dark corner of this earth."

"Although terrorists state their jihadi motives loudly and clearly, Westerners and Muslims alike too often fail to hear them. Islamic organizations, Canadian author Irshad Manji observes, pretend that "Islam is an innocent bystander in today's terrorism."

What the terrorists want is abundantly clear. It requires monumental denial not to acknowledge it.."

[tinybear]

Quote by: italiangm You can't be serious. Christian fundamentalists want every person on the face of the earth to practice their belief. Collectively, Christian organizations of every stripe spend millions, if not billions every year attempting to convert people. Southern Baptists, for example, spend a significant portion of their budget attempting to convert Jews to their religion. Instead of respect, their campaigns frequently express contempt for Jewish beliefs, claiming they'll never enter the kingdom of heaven as long as they remain Jews. How is this any different than Islamic fundamentalist attempts to convert the world to Islam? Both forms of fundamentalism want their beliefs to dominate.

Yeah, but it is the Islamic fundamentalits who use terrorist tactics against America. Like it or not, they are our number one enemy. Now either we fight & destroy the enemy or we surrender. Which is it going to be? There is no middle ground.

[italiangm]

Quote by: tinybear Yeah, but it is the Islamic fundamentalits who use terrorist tactics against America. Like it or not, they are our number one enemy. Now either we fight & destroy the enemy or we surrender. Which is it going to be? There is no middle ground.

I don't have a problem eradicating terrorists, no matter what they believe. However, it is wrong to paint every person who believes in Islam with a terrorist paintbrush as you seem to be doing here. The irrational nature of an all-or-nothing mentality is one of the most contentious issues being raised in this thread.

[tinybear]

I'm referring only to Islamic fundamentalists, not all Muslims.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: tinybear I'm referring only to Islamic fundamentalists, not all Muslims.

Ok, so would you kill any Muslim who believes that there is no difference between Islamic Law and the law of the state? A rather substantial, though probably not a majority, of Muslims believe exactally that. The point here is, in a perfect muslim world, everyone has the gift of Islam and accepts it as the divine truth that it is. In this perfect world, there need be no difference between the state and religious law, because Islam informs every aspect of your life. Do you expect that a member of any faith would reject the core beliefs of their religion as a good and solid basis for the law of the state. That is exactally what Pat Robertson and Jerry Faldwell and that little twerp from Texas advocate. The problem with equating an acceptance of Shar'ia with terrorism is that it in fact, paints with too broad a brush.

[Nono]

Quote by: tiny It's abundantly clear what terrorists want, Nono. http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2798

Thus spake the NY Sun. Guess it's gospel.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind achieving global dominance if they could. But -- the Sun notwithstanding -- whenever I've seen one of their videos on TV that isn't what they say.

But again: The best way of taking the wind out of their sails is to stop scratching their backs (if you'll forgive the mixed metaphor).