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**Pooeypants** · Feb 28, 2004, 05:41 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Comrade,)

DEFENSE!!!
with an S, people!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Only if you live on that side of the great pond. In which case to me you're spelling it wrong.

Anyway, I see Impenitent is having a another bout of strawman arguments. Unless you can directly source where Kerry said (without taking out of context), he'd reduce defence and intelligence spending to err zero? (which I do believe you're implying)

Impenitent · Feb 28, 2004, 09:40 am

kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all

dotcoma · Feb 28, 2004, 01:47 pm

You still don't get it. We say it doesn't matter who's in "office", it's all controlled and scripted. You come back with the false left/right argument. Bush is the biggest liberal we've ever seen. Open-borders/blanket amnesty, abortion on demand, gun-control, Soviet-style big-government pimps EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM...

mlingley · Feb 28, 2004, 07:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Impenitent could you be more specific here. What EXACTLY has Kerry voted no on that leads you to believe he would scrap the military?

dotcoma · Feb 28, 2004, 07:36 pm

I can see Kerry going with the whole Clinton/Quigley concept of a world without armies (except for the UN of course, of course we would pump billions into their war-making infrastructure, they would obviously be the only TRUE army. Anyone owning a gun NOT wearing a blue hat would be considered a terrorist. They would love to just hand over our nuke codes to those globalists pinheads. Submit to world government, the TV tells us it's good...THAT is were I part with the left: when they prop up the UN as some sort of heavenly governmental body sent to save us from the "evil right-wingers"...

kcfive · Feb 28, 2004, 07:57 pm

You write "We say it doesn't matter who's in "office", it's all controlled and scripted. You come back with the false left/right argument."

Thats not entirely true....because nearly all of the social issues of the twentieth century have been decided by our court system, whoever the sitting President is plays a major part in those decisions since it is he who appoints the judges.

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On a different note:
Does anyone know why Bush, nor any of the republicans have quoted from Clinton's speech of December 16th, 1998? In it, not only does Clinton say twice that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" he states that his "entire security council unanimously agrees" and that if Iraq was given only a couple days the weapons might "never be found". Isn't it bizzare? Why wouldn't the conservatives being quoting this speech every moment? Clinton gave the speech in defense of his decision to bomb Iraq. Personally, I don't trust either party on this issue because of this very speech. Something is strange in the neighborhood...and it ain't ghosts.

Impenitent · Feb 29, 2004, 01:24 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Impenitent could you be more specific here. What EXACTLY has Kerry voted no on that leads you to believe he would scrap the military?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

"Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile."

http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm

"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages."

John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001

**Pooeypants** · Feb 29, 2004, 05:51 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)

"Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile."

http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm

"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages."

John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Doesn't the latter quote explain why he voted the way he did?

Sandy · Feb 29, 2004, 07:02 am

This is the same One World Order Crap that Bush 41 tried to jam down our throats in 1992. The building of power for power itself smacks of Alexnder the Great and Adolph Hitler.

Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11.

I do care about the freedoms of other countries by not at the expense of mine!

Impenitent · Feb 29, 2004, 10:54 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)

"Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile."

http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm

"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages."

John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Doesn't the latter quote explain why he voted the way he did?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

no, it explains that kerry is a murdering bastard who now wants to throw his hands up and force his country to throw its hands up and surrender to the terrorists of the world... :vomit profusely:

Impenitent · Feb 29, 2004, 11:14 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sandy,)

Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

tell that to the Abenaki, Algonkin, Beothuk, Delaware, Erie, Fox, Huron, Illinois, Iroquois, Kickapoo, Mahican, Mascouten, Massachuset, Mattabesic, Menominee, Metoac, Miami, Micmac, Mohegan, Montagnais, Narragansett, Nauset, Neutrals, Niantic, Nipissing, Nipmuc, Ojibwe, Ottawa, Pennacook, Pequot, Pocumtuck, Potawatomi, Sauk, Shawnee, Susquehannock, Tionontati, Wampanoag, Wappinger, Wenro, Winnebago...

and that's only some of the tribes in the north east corner of america... there are hundreds more...

american values of freedom and liberty? who was "Town Killer"?

james? · Feb 29, 2004, 06:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sandy,)

Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

tell that to the Abenaki, Algonkin, Beothuk, Delaware, Erie, Fox, Huron, Illinois, Iroquois, Kickapoo, Mahican, Mascouten, Massachuset, Mattabesic, Menominee, Metoac, Miami, Micmac, Mohegan, Montagnais, Narragansett, Nauset, Neutrals, Niantic, Nipissing, Nipmuc, Ojibwe, Ottawa, Pennacook, Pequot, Pocumtuck, Potawatomi, Sauk, Shawnee, Susquehannock, Tionontati, Wampanoag, Wappinger, Wenro, Winnebago...

and that's only some of the tribes in the north east corner of america... there are hundreds more...

american values of freedom and liberty? who was "Town Killer"?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

lol great point.

Feb 28, 2004, 05:41 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Comrade,) DEFENSE!!! with an S, people!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Only if you live on that side of the great pond. In which case to me you're spelling it wrong. Anyway, I see Impenitent is having a another bout of strawman arguments. Unless you can directly source where Kerry said (without taking out of context), he'd reduce defence and intelligence spending to err zero? (which I do believe you're implying) War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 28, 2004, 09:40 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 28, 2004, 07:21 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Impenitent could you be more specific here. What EXACTLY has Kerry voted no on that leads you to believe he would scrap the military?

Feb 28, 2004, 07:57 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
kcfive Sedimentary Rock Posts: 5	You write "We say it doesn't matter who's in "office", it's all controlled and scripted. You come back with the false left/right argument." Thats not entirely true....because nearly all of the social issues of the twentieth century have been decided by our court system, whoever the sitting President is plays a major part in those decisions since it is he who appoints the judges. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a different note: Does anyone know why Bush, nor any of the republicans have quoted from Clinton's speech of December 16th, 1998? In it, not only does Clinton say twice that Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction" he states that his "entire security council unanimously agrees" and that if Iraq was given only a couple days the weapons might "never be found". Isn't it bizzare? Why wouldn't the conservatives being quoting this speech every moment? Clinton gave the speech in defense of his decision to bomb Iraq. Personally, I don't trust either party on this issue because of this very speech. Something is strange in the neighborhood...and it ain't ghosts. Christian Hedonist

Feb 29, 2004, 01:24 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) kerry's senate voting record for the last 30 years... not a strawman at all<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Impenitent could you be more specific here. What EXACTLY has Kerry voted no on that leads you to believe he would scrap the military?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> "Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile." http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages." John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001 "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 28, 2004, 01:47 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	You still don't get it. We say it doesn't matter who's in "office", it's all controlled and scripted. You come back with the false left/right argument. Bush is the biggest liberal we've ever seen. Open-borders/blanket amnesty, abortion on demand, gun-control, Soviet-style big-government pimps EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM...

Feb 28, 2004, 07:36 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I can see Kerry going with the whole Clinton/Quigley concept of a world without armies (except for the UN of course, of course we would pump billions into their war-making infrastructure, they would obviously be the only TRUE army. Anyone owning a gun NOT wearing a blue hat would be considered a terrorist. They would love to just hand over our nuke codes to those globalists pinheads. Submit to world government, the TV tells us it's good...THAT is were I part with the left: when they prop up the UN as some sort of heavenly governmental body sent to save us from the "evil right-wingers"...

Feb 29, 2004, 05:51 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) "Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile." http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages." John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Doesn't the latter quote explain why he voted the way he did? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 29, 2004, 07:02 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
Sandy Igneous Magma Posts: 251	This is the same One World Order Crap that Bush 41 tried to jam down our throats in 1992. The building of power for power itself smacks of Alexnder the Great and Adolph Hitler. Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11. I do care about the freedoms of other countries by not at the expense of mine!

Feb 29, 2004, 10:54 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) "Kerry indeed has voted against weapons systems, including the B-1 bomber, the F-15, F-14, AH-64 Apache helicopter, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, the Harrier "jump jet" and the Trident missile." http://www.beatkerry2004.com/milvoting.htm "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others," he said, "in that I shot in free-fire zones, fired .50-caliber machine bullets, used harass-and-interdiction fire, joined in search-and-destroy missions and burned villages." John F. Kerry, on Meet the Press, May 6, 2001<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Doesn't the latter quote explain why he voted the way he did?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> no, it explains that kerry is a murdering bastard who now wants to throw his hands up and force his country to throw its hands up and surrender to the terrorists of the world... :vomit profusely: "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 29, 2004, 11:14 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sandy,) Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> tell that to the Abenaki, Algonkin, Beothuk, Delaware, Erie, Fox, Huron, Illinois, Iroquois, Kickapoo, Mahican, Mascouten, Massachuset, Mattabesic, Menominee, Metoac, Miami, Micmac, Mohegan, Montagnais, Narragansett, Nauset, Neutrals, Niantic, Nipissing, Nipmuc, Ojibwe, Ottawa, Pennacook, Pequot, Pocumtuck, Potawatomi, Sauk, Shawnee, Susquehannock, Tionontati, Wampanoag, Wappinger, Wenro, Winnebago... and that's only some of the tribes in the north east corner of america... there are hundreds more... american values of freedom and liberty? who was "Town Killer"? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 29, 2004, 06:21 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
james? Molten Ash Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sandy,) Our country was founded and built on American values of freedom and liberty, not a world conquer! In changing our focus from America to the world, is exactly why we were attacked a dozen times including 9-11. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> tell that to the Abenaki, Algonkin, Beothuk, Delaware, Erie, Fox, Huron, Illinois, Iroquois, Kickapoo, Mahican, Mascouten, Massachuset, Mattabesic, Menominee, Metoac, Miami, Micmac, Mohegan, Montagnais, Narragansett, Nauset, Neutrals, Niantic, Nipissing, Nipmuc, Ojibwe, Ottawa, Pennacook, Pequot, Pocumtuck, Potawatomi, Sauk, Shawnee, Susquehannock, Tionontati, Wampanoag, Wappinger, Wenro, Winnebago... and that's only some of the tribes in the north east corner of america... there are hundreds more... american values of freedom and liberty? who was "Town Killer"?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> lol great point.