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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:52 am   #41 (permalink) (top)
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I'll give you two good reasons.

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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:34 am   #42 (permalink) (top)
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Permanently Abandon New Orleans ?

Well, they are going to have to patch the levee and pump the city dry. Then remove all toxic waste, ship it north. You cant just leave cars (full of oil and gas) and paint cans and etc etc etc etc etc to the sea. It has to be cleaned up. Then the government would have to buy all the land that is to be sacrificed to poseidon as a peace offering. then you have to tear down the levee. What kind of impact will that have on other states and the life of the mississippi river?
Remember you have to do all this without any studies because your C student president doesnt like any unfavorable reports.

If they dont bust the levee after they clean up all the toxins, then you will have squatters to evict.

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Old Sep 4, 2005, 01:05 pm   #43 (permalink) (top)
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Well higher ground, sea walls and repaired levees make sense to me. But I dunno, alot of things in this world don't make sense to me. Why live on the coast, with threat of hurricanes? Why not visit the coast instead? Like Florida...uh, well developers seen dollar signs. But New Orleans was constructed as a port city, like when San Fran was built all those years ago, did they now the San Andreas fault was right underneath them? The Galveston Hurricane of 1906, I think it was, now that's a story worth reading. Whole island got submerged under 15 feet of water, 6,000 people were killed, wasen't long after that the sea wall was built.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 01:38 pm   #44 (permalink) (top)
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Hey Gr8, real quick, when did Bush declare the area a disaster area?

Just curious.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:00 pm   #45 (permalink) (top)
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Hey Gr8, real quick, when did Bush declare the area a disaster area?

Just curious.

options are:

Before the Disaster

During it

After It

Never

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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:32 pm   #46 (permalink) (top)
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Hey Gr8, real quick, when did Bush declare the area a disaster area? Just curious.
Monday, the morning after. And?

--"The declaration, issued as Air Force One was heading from Texas to Arizona, authorizes the use of federal funds for response and recovery efforts in the two Gulf Coast states, where thousands of homes were flooded or destroyed by the hurricane."--


After said declaration, when did the Federal Government finally swing into action? Just curious.

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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:35 pm   #47 (permalink) (top)
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Monday, the morning after. And?

--"The declaration, issued as Air Force One was heading from Texas to Arizona, authorizes the use of federal funds for response and recovery efforts in the two Gulf Coast states, where thousands of homes were flooded or destroyed by the hurricane."--


After said declaration, when did the Federal Government finally swing into action? Just curious.

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Oh gnoes! You're wrong!(and right, I used the wrong term, I meant state of emergency. I was wrong, I blew it, I admit it.)

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Katrina spent only a few hours over South Florida. Katrina was predicted to go across South and Southwest Florida. However, Katrina moved farther to the south than expected and soon regained hurricane strength after emerging into the Gulf of Mexico on the morning of August 26. Katrina then quickly strengthened to Category 2 and its pressure dropped to 971 mbar, which prompted a special update from the NHC at 11:30 a.m. EDT (1530 UTC). At 5:00 a.m. EDT (0900 UTC) on August 27, Katrina's pressure dropped to 945 mbar and it was upgraded to Category 3. The same day President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana, two days before the hurricane made landfall [2].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrica...rm_development
At that point he gave the State access to federal resources and left it to THEM to handle the situation.. ya know the way it's supposed to work.

So now, please, do go on blaming Bush for all of this.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:46 pm   #48 (permalink) (top)
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go on blaming Bush for all of this.
Yer gettin' a little off topic here, Vicchio. This thread is not for blaming or defending Bush, but for talking about whether New Orleans is worth rebuilding on a site that is below sealevel and subsiding. We can bash and defend Bush on another thread. Thanks for understanding, ol' buddy.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 02:48 pm   #49 (permalink) (top)
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Ya ya PH, sorry wrong thread, they kinda run together and it's a BIATCH posting from the carpet. all my stuffs inroute to Houston, sniffle, I want my desk back.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:00 pm   #50 (permalink) (top)
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At that point he gave the State access to federal resources and left it to THEM to handle the situation.. ya know the way it's supposed to work.
Oh. you mean "Federal Resources" like the 3000 National Guardsmen who were supposed to be there PRIOR TO THE FUCKING HURRICANE TO BEGIN WITH ? To assist with the evac?
That "Federal Resources"?
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So now, please, do go on blaming Bush for all of this.
Bush already admitted his incompetance, why cant you?
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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:04 pm   #51 (permalink) (top)
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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:06 pm   #52 (permalink) (top)
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Ya ya PH, sorry wrong thread, they kinda run together and it's a BIATCH posting from the carpet. all my stuffs inroute to Houston, sniffle, I want my desk back.

You want your DESK back? Shame on you with such a lame complaint in a KATRINA thread! What they wouldn't give to use a computer on carpet.....sniffle.....


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:25 pm   #53 (permalink) (top)
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Bush already admitted his incompetance, why cant you?
Post number 48 above applies to you too Dan, ol pal.


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:31 pm   #54 (permalink) (top)
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I am sure its just a coincidence that New Orleans is the ONLY strong Democratic county in Luisiana:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../P/00/map.html

That wouldnt have anything at all to do with a snail like response, now would it?
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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:34 pm   #55 (permalink) (top)
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You want your DESK back? Shame on you with such a lame complaint in a KATRINA thread! What they wouldn't give to use a computer on carpet.....sniffle.....
Hey I feel for them, trust me, I have given.. more then I should to the relief effort.

But life does go on. Hell my move to Houston's in serious jeopardy, all the motels are filled up, the apartments are being told to give priority to Hurricane evacuees that want to stay (that means my price range is shot) and now the Job I was after is on hold while they doa merger...

So it's looking like San Antonio is my destination, and I will have to pay for the Navy to ship my stuff to SA if it works out...

Of course, I will take these problems to thiers anyday...


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:36 pm   #56 (permalink) (top)
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He si quoted Gr8 as saying "The relief efforts are not adaquate" The on scene is suppoed to be handled on the state level, you REFUSE to admit that, and that is why you are being ignored and distanced by most anyone that bothers to think about it.

Were there mistakes, sure, but the mistakes start with the Mayor and Govenor's office.

I would like to point out that the relief effort is in full gear now that the Mayor and Govenor are no longer in charge and the effort is making real headway.

But you'll never admit that little fact now will ya?


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:38 pm   #57 (permalink) (top)
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I am sure its just a coincidence that New Orleans is the ONLY strong Democratic county in Luisiana:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../P/00/map.html

That wouldnt have anything at all to do with a snail like response, now would it?
I think it has everything to do with it. Jsut not how you claim it.

1. The mayor and Govenor were the front line first in charge there. They were given Full access to federal resources 2 DAYS before the hurricane hit. They were in charge AFTER it hit. They failed the city. But, whose hate is so... twisted, cannot admit that. Nay you ignore the way the system works and make a bee line to Bush. He did his part and left it to them to get it right.

Perhaps THAT is why you are mad? He left it in the incompetant hands of Democrats?


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:43 pm   #58 (permalink) (top)
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Post number 48 above applies to you too Dan, ol pal.
So lets not consider the true cause of this disaster in preparation for a repeat. Why even consider rebuilding (with Haliburton as EVERYBODYS landlord) if the same asshats in wahington are not going to fund the maintenance of a new city? After all they would rather steal the money for world domination, they already own this chunk real estate.
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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:44 pm   #59 (permalink) (top)
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Dan and Vicchio, please!


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Old Sep 4, 2005, 03:45 pm   #60 (permalink) (top)
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Sorry PH I just have a new tract on Gr8's hate. HE's mad Bush gave the dems power and they failed. He's covering up for them, or Mad Bush trusted them.. I cannot help it!

Okay okay, no more, start a new thread Gr8 or go to an established one to respond.

They will rebuild NO, it just is going to happen. WE'd rebuild LA or SF after a massive earthquake, even though those are both built in high risk areas, we'll rebuild NO as well.


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