Anti-War, Anti-Soldier.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Anti-war protestors besieged wounded and disabled soldiers at Walter Reed Hospital in Washington, D.C, a new web report will claim! CNSNews.com is planning to run an expose featuring interviews with both protestors and veterans, as well as shots of protest signs with slogans like “Maimed for a Lie.” The conservative outlet will post video evidence of the wounded veterans being taunted by protesters, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. Developing late...

www.drudgereport.com

Yes, remember, the anti-war crowd is enlightenned, principled, and above all, cares only for the soldiers well being.

Crock of shit the whole lot fo them.

[Prometheus]

Your comments still imply that opposing a given war is unpatriotic. Disagreeing with the current administration does not mean you hate the soldiors.

[Jack]

To condemn everyone who opposes the current conflicts (they have never been declared "wars") because of the actions of a few is irrational. Many protestors of many issues go too far. And the extreme fringes rarely represent the core group.
I'm a veteran and I'm against war. I think anyone who has had to fight in a war is opposed to them in principle. Obviously we still support the soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen, but that doesn't imply an endorsement of the policies.

[Prometheus]

Deseret Storm, Vietnam, or (I am not trying to call you old) Korea?

[Jack]

DS, nope, not that young. Korea, nope, not that old. I had the dubious honor of being among the last to leave Southeast Asia.

[xshakes]

So, Mr. V. what war or service did you volunteer for? I spent 5yrs in the Marine Corp, Operations:
Just Cause, Desert Shield, Desert Storm. As a battery operated grunt/FAC/FO. I am against war. It kills me watching another generation get thrown under the bus because of Presedental (sp?) reckless disregard for Humanity.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I just got out, 10 years US Navy E-5 Honorably Discharged. I was involved with Kosovo. That's all I can say about that.

[Jack]

Hey yeah, I read that in another thread. Please accept my belated congrats.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I did my time, and am trying my hand at the civilian world :)

Oh btw, when I see the "anti-war" crowd smacking down this sort of deplorable behavior, I might start believing it's only a few bad apples.



BTW xshakes, what was your MOS? I have abuddy that's field artillary, perhaps you were in the same division (I don't know marines corps...) And just for fun, I will post a shot of my DD-214 if you will. (SS# and the like erased of course)

[Jack]

You raise a valid point, Mr. V. Too many times people with reasonable beliefs refuse to disagree with the extremists sharing their basic POV, as if distancing themselves from the lunatic fringe will somehow damage their own position. What nonsense. For example, I love animals, always have. But I cannot abide what some of the extremists in the "animal rights" movement have done is "support" of their position. Kill or harm humans to protest killing and harming other animals? How irrational can you get.
Yeah, I'm anti-war. I think wars are a horrible way to acheive peace, and are poor substitutes for communication between nations. Would I go and fight again if called? Yes.

[oranged]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio www.drudgereport.com Yes, remember, the anti-war crowd is enlightenned, principled, and above all, cares only for the soldiers well being. Crock of shit the whole lot fo them.

Don't get the wrong impression from this because I am not speaking for fellow liberals at all here, but honestly, I really can't respect someone who joins the military at times like these, but some people reform while in the war, and come back as entirely different people. People I respect.

[Savant]

Heh, every time I see one of those magnetic (noncomital bastages) ribbons on a car urging me to "Support our troops", I always think: As opposed to what? Resist them? Fight them?

I have yet to see a single bumper sticker that says "Opose our Troops!". The "support our troops" crap is just people trying to take ownership of what our troops are doing, for their own personal politics. Its less about support and more about accusing the enemy at home of not doing enough.

Having just come out of the military a few years ago, it makes me want to spit. I know a lot of those kids over there, and 99.9% of them could give a crap about our politics. They just wanted some college money and a VA loan and hoped we would not make them do anything shitty for it.

Sucks to be them. Me, I was lucky. Sort of. Fort Bliss Texes is a deep hole in the earth, and that where I got stuck.

[Prometheus]

People join the military for all kinds of reasons:

(1) It's a way of life. They like military stuff. They like excercizing, shooting guns, structured command. Maybe it's a family tradition.

(2) It's just a job. Military service pays decently with an allright pention. For some uneducated people, the military is the only good option.

(3) They are drafted.

(4) They want to serve thier country. They trust that thier leaders will make correct decisions, and will serve thier nation even if they don't like the war.

(5) They believe in the war and want to help.


None of these reasons are bad reasons, and they are all respectable. The only reason that I would consider negative is if someone just liked the idea of killing people.

[Prometheus]

The support our troops campaign is nothing more then a cheap emotional movement to make people accept the war. "Support our troops" is almost a truism. No one will argue with it. The fallacy is in the assumption that supporting our troops equals support for the war. They use the emotionality of supporting our soldiors to sell the war. It is a textbook of an appeal to emotion and proof by assosciation. It is a flawed argument.

Saying you don't support the troops if you don't support the war makes as much sence as getting mad at my friend who works in the acounting department at Apple computer because I was sold a defective Ipod. Man people are dumb.

[Trotsky]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I did my time, and am trying my hand at the civilian world :) Oh btw, when I see the "anti-war" crowd smacking down this sort of deplorable behavior, I might start believing it's only a few bad apples. BTW xshakes, what was your MOS? I have abuddy that's field artillary, perhaps you were in the same division (I don't know marines corps...) And just for fun, I will post a shot of my DD-214 if you will. (SS# and the like erased of course)

It should be smacked down, that is disgusting. If you oppose the war fine, take it up with your elected representatives, soldiers are just doing their duty, in fact a lot of soldiers may or may not aggree with what their politcal masters are doing, but they have sworn an oath to do the bidding of their country to the best of their ability, and they deserve respect for this, not having guys who've given it all in conflict subject to abuse while recuperating in hospital.

[Chris]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Crock of shit the whole lot fo them.

Yes crock of shit the whole lot of them. So just because one story in the drudge report says that allegedly one group of protesters do something then that means ALL protesters feel the same way and would have done the same thing. Yes, damn them all!

But really anyone who does not condemn these people doesn't have a heart. If its true, I think its a bad thing. That doesn't mean all war protesters are in the same belief and believe they did a good thing.

Quote by: Isherwood I'm a veteran and I'm against war. I think anyone who has had to fight in a war is opposed to them in principle. Obviously we still support the soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen, but that doesn't imply an endorsement of the policies.

Well said I am in the same boat as you.

[Gorgo]

"Maimed for a lie" is anti-soldier? What kind of twisted logic is that?

This war is illegal, and soldiers have an obligation to defy illegal orders. They have been duped, but ignorance is no excuse for any other crime.

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Gorgo "Maimed for a lie" is anti-soldier? What kind of twisted logic is that? This war is illegal, and soldiers have an obligation to defy illegal orders. They have been duped, but ignorance is no excuse for any other crime.

How can a war be illegal? War is what you do when you can't settle your dispute any legal way. War is the complete breakdown of civility and law. If you are to the point where you will shoot someone, you are past the point of law.

I'm not saying the war is good, but I don't think "illegal" is an accurate description.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio www.drudgereport.com Yes, remember, the anti-war crowd is enlightenned, principled, and above all, cares only for the soldiers well being. Crock of shit the whole lot of them.

When some maniac bombs a clinic does that mean the Pro-Life movement are...

crock of shit the whole lot of them?

When a few Freepers plan pouring acid on tables where the Bush daughters were caught drinking, underage, does that mean the Right Wing, or even just readers of Free Republic are...

crock of shit the whole lot of them?

Every movement has its idiots and morons...

...and I don't trust Drudge any more than you probably would trust Bart Cop or Michael Moore. :rolleyes:

[YourTokah]

I amanti-war and pro-soldier. My husband is military. We lead a decent lifestyle thanks to his employer, and when he goes overseas, which will be happening in two months, he's just doing the job he signed up for and is getting paid to do. He didn't want the war to start, but it did and there isn't anything we can do about that now.

Those peopl that went to that veteran's hospital are worse than idiots. I am totally against the war and I'd like a chance to be in a dark alley with a few of those ungrateful, misinformed degenerates.

"we're not against the soldiers, we're against the war."