Anti-War, Anti-Soldier.

[amana1man]

Those Arabs, Jews and Moslems have been fighting since Christ and George Bush, the American army or NATO forces ain't gone stop them. The best news would be is they have a giant bomb go off and blow them selves up. Perhaps God will smit them down.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: amana1man Those Arabs, Jews and Moslems have been fighting since Christ and George Bush, the American army or NATO forces ain't gone stop them. The best news would be is they have a giant bomb go off and blow themselves up. Perhaps God will smit them down.

As much as I find the sentiment beyond disagreeable, you will probably get your wish. What does me mad is this attempt to supposedly bring freedom to the region has made inevitable what has been very, very hard to avoid.

Do I blame the soldiers? Absolutely not, no more than I blamed the soldiers for what did, and didn't, happen in Nam'. So many brave souls lost their lives in what wound up being a senseless meat grinder. Blame those who have planned, managed, fixed intelligence, ignored intelligence that didn't agree with their agenda, never bothered to understand the culture... or the very nature of the conflict... and royal screwed it up in oh so many other ways? Absolutely.

[Mr.Vicchio]

What exactly is so bad about what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq...

What, people freely voting for thier own futures is bad, evil and not worth thte effort but people being forced, by pain of death to do as they are told is good, acceptable and the way things are?

I love history, you know why? It repeats itself over and over. Take Japan and Germany, post WWII, the same claims abou how it woudln't work, they couldn't do it, we were making a mistake...

Jump to now, it's a mistake, they can't deal with it, were making a mistake....

You guys need to take history 101

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You guys need to take history 101

You need Ethics 101.

[Ken Carman]

What exactly is so bad about what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq...

You're kidding, right?

What, people freely voting for thier own futures is bad, evil and not worth thte effort but people being forced, by pain of death to do as they are told is good, acceptable and the way things are?

Freely? Sticking guns in a nation's face and then say, "Now vote, damn you," is not "free." Plus administration attempts to screw with the process didn't help.

I love history, you know why? It repeats itself over and over. Take Japan and Germany, post WWII, the same claims abou how it woudln't work, they couldn't do it, we were making a mistake...

There are no perfect repeats, but there are similarities. Similar claims were made about Nam', and they were right. Could it have gone the other way? Perhaps, although I have my doubts. Like Iraq we didn't bother getting to know the nature of the conflict or the people we were attempting to supposedly "free." The enemy was everywhere, even under our bases. We thought after 300 years we were victorious when the enemy simply melted back into the tunnels and into the jungle... or even back into the populace. Just like we thought we were victorious when after "liberating" them we let them go wild and loot. Or like we continue to think we're winning when the adminstration defunds rebuilding Iraq. Yup, invade a country and then say, "Screw our promises, fix the damn thing yourself!" Yup, that's going to win people over. Yup, no insurgency recuitment tool here. Speaking of similarities and repeats, can you say "Vietnamization," boy and girls?

Jump to now, it's a mistake, they can't deal with it, were (we're?) making a mistake....

No, they have their opinions and have a right to those opinions. That's what "freedom" is supposed to be about. They are dealing with it. You just don't agree with their assessment. That's your right. Perhaps the only problem here is the ability to respect and disagree with others at the same time?

You guys need to take history 101

As per my last comment? I rest my case.

[kalel29]

Quote by: Prometheus Your comments still imply that opposing a given war is unpatriotic. Disagreeing with the current administration does not mean you hate the soldiors.

Then why did they call them baby killers in Vietnam?

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: kalel29 Then why did they call them baby killers in Vietnam?

Not all anti-war protestors did that during the time of Nam. However, babies were used against our soldiers... unfortunately. The tactic was down right evil.

Of course I can't speak for all protestors, and some of the rhetoric that came from the peace side was out of line, but as a Conservative at the time who spent a lot of time arguing with peace activists, I never heard one call the soldiers "baby-killers." That doesn't mean it didn't happen. There was some inappropriate rhetoric from the right as well.

However you are comparing apples to oranges, as the cliche' goes. The rhetoric from the anti-war activists has been a lot more reasonable... in comparison. Once again, I'm not saying there isn't any.

But in responding to someone who simply states that to be patriotic he doesn't have to support the administration with your comment? Gee, I hope you're not trying to compare that with calling soldiers "baby-killers." :rolleyes: That certainly would be irresponsible behavior.