Depleted Uranium (DU): Modern American Nuclear Warfare

[DaRk ShaDow]

***Warning: The Subject Matter in this Thread is Disturbing. Its about an injustice to humanity. The Truth is ugly, use discression***

One of our very worst fears, is that an Arab Freedom Fighter (aka "Terrorist") will one day set off what is commonly referred to as a "Dirty Bomb" ("DB"). For those of you that don't know, a "DB" is generally any explosive device strapped to radioactive (nuclear) material. Even though the radioactive material is much too impure to cause a nuclear detonation... if subjected to an explosive blast, it would be propelled great distances, effectively irradiating a large area. Anybody caught within this radiation... is in for a world of shit... Cancer, Leukemia, Tumors, Gastric Polyps, Immune System Failures, Adverse Cholesterol, Blood Cell Mutation... and ofcourse... Chromosonal Damage. Chromosones... You Know.. Chromosones... Those itty bitty little things inside the nucleus of your body's cells that are responsible for blueprinting your DNA.

!Pop Quiz!: If you have damaged DNA, and you (your spouse) becomes pregnant and a child is being developed from that defective DNA, What Happens when that child is born?

The answer is too hideous and undescribable for words.

This is exacty why a "DB" is so terribly feared by the American public. The consequences of such an attack would be unspeakable, and the aftermath of such a grossly wicked & reprehensible; abominable & heinous crime would be absolutely severe.

What If... the "Terrorists" developed a cannon that could shoot large & explosive quantities of this deadly material over great distances with precision accuracy? What if they attacked America with these 'Nuclear Cannons', poisoning millions and contaminating miles of American soil? There would be a public outcry like no other, and it would be condemed as a Crime Against Humanity! :(

Fortunately for us, the "Terrorist" forces have not developed such a weapon.


But the United States has... and have been actively using it for the past 14 years in atleast 3 wars.


You're about to get a crash course about the "M829A2 APFSDS-T" aka 'The Depleted Uranium Tank Round' aka 'The Dirty Bomb Missile':

The following is a very powerful graphic/audio presentation on the effects of Depleted Uranium. It includes disturbing images, and a more disturbing message. But this is not an invented horror movie - this is the legacy of the United States military, and its deliberate dispersal of radioactive poison in Bosnia and Iraq. Not recommended at work or if kids are around.

But it's okay for us to be doing this... Right? We are afterall Americans, what goes on in the rest of the world isn't our concern... Right? The "Terrorists" (aka 'Evil Do'ers") are blindly evil without any moral values and soley want to attack us for no other reason than to "take away our Freedoms"... Right? We could'nt possible be the ones at fault... Right?

When they do it... its a horrendous act of terrorism that will shock and disgust the world--- But When we do it... it doesnt even make the evening news. But we as Americans will continue to turn a blind eye to this because it doesn't inconvieniance our arrogant/self-centered middle-class American lives............. Right? :eek:

What is Depleted Uranium (DU)
...and why is it so Dangerous?

Uranium Fact Sheet

Effects of Radiation & Exposure to Depleted Uranium:
RERF: Radiation Effects Overview
CADU: Health Effects of DU

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[Mr.Vicchio]

Oh gnoes!

A DU thread, go to the DU website and tell them, they'll lap this up.

DU is the best weapon we have for making war, and that's what this is all about. Get over it man.

[Prometheus]

We about one of you a week. People joining to advertize. They normally overuse bolding and caps like you did and end up looking like Toobis. And I give what they say about as much validity as what toobis says.

And do have any idea how meaningless internet petitions are? Politicians pay less attentoin to internet petitions then they pay to genocide in africa. Which is about as much as I care about when you last got laid. Which is something I would rather not discuss. Ancient history was never my strong point.

[dliw]

The enemies of America deserve to die horribly and in great numbers. I'm also for tactical nukes being used as bunker busters and all other weapons being designed for quick annihilation.

[oranged]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Oh gnoes! A DU thread, go to the DU website and tell them, they'll lap this up. DU is the best weapon we have for making war, and that's what this is all about. Get over it man.

It hurts more innocents than anyone else though. I think the best weapons in war are weapons that disable enemy military without hurting civilians. My personal favorite being EMP, which usually doesn't even hurt anyone physically (although it can) but it disables electricity. So that vehicles, computers, missils, even guns don't work.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Even GUNS? Dude you need to do this thing, it's called RESEARCH. EMP requires.. A high altitude nuclear burst, it effects large areas, and would BADLY hurt an industrialized country. (imagine if tomorrow, someone hit the USA with an EMP. All electrical grids, OUT, all computers, fried, TV, Radio, Cars, Watches... all financial records... everything.

The country would be back to the 1800's. And it would take months to years to fix it all.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio it would take months to years to fix it all.

Sorta like shootin' up a nation with DU, huh, Vicchio?

[DaRk ShaDow]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Oh gnoes! A DU thread, go to the DU website and tell them, they'll lap this up. DU is the best weapon we have for making war, and that's what this is all about. Get over it man.

DU Rounds are both radioactively and chemically toxic. Although they are very effective for thier stated purpose... destroying tanks, They are FAR from being the "Best" weapon out there- mostly due to the fact that after use- THEY WILL CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY KILL THE LOCAL POPULATION for up to 4 billion years if left untreated. FYI: The US Military is leaving battlezones untreated. These weapons are just as bad as, if not more than, Chemical and Biological weapons. The Medical proof and statistics are there. im sure if these were used in your hometown... and all your loved ones could give birth to, were lil f'd up abominations, youd feel different. The point im getting at, is that its irresponsible and wrong to use nuclear waste as ammunition for weapons of war, Period.

It is only a matter of time before these weapons are globally banned.

Quote by: Prometheus We about one of you a week. People joining to advertize. They normally overuse bolding and caps like you did and end up looking like Toobis. And I give what they say about as much validity as what toobis says. And do have any idea how meaningless internet petitions are? Politicians pay less attentoin to internet petitions then they pay to genocide in africa. Which is about as much as I care about when you last got laid. Which is something I would rather not discuss. Ancient history was never my strong point.

Im sorry youve decided to ignore a serious issue based on the fact that you feel the 'Bold Button' was used too much in presenting it to you. Id be more than happy to email you and unformatted copy. I have no idea who Toobis is, nor do I care about whatever petty politics are surrounding him/her. Maybe you should argue the issue... just a suggestion.

Internet Petitions arent quite as worthless as you make them out to be. Some are, yes. And ive seen many others be very very effective. Watch CSPAN sometime, ive seen more than a few times where internet petitions have influenced Senate votes. But if you feel they arent effective, then write your Senator, Call into a Radio show, Contact your local News. There are many ways to get an issue addressed if you wanna apply a lil more effort, and you feel the option before you doesnt hold enough merit.

Ooooh... and a generic personal insult based on nothing... involving sexuality even! I thought these kind of abstract comments went out of style after the 5th grade. If this trend continues, I expect the next one to be in some fashion about my mother. It seems that knowledge of Ancient history doesnt seem to be the only thing youre lacking...

I joined this site to debate, and to bring awareness to what I believe are pressing issues. So go on ahead.. debate me... defy me... prove to me and the world that im wrong in my beliefs. If the message im trying to spread here is so tasteless and terrible... prove it.

Until then... I am DONE with you.

Quote by: dliw The enemies of America deserve to die horribly and in great numbers. I'm also for tactical nukes being used as bunker busters and all other weapons being designed for quick annihilation.

You're a horrible person.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Even GUNS? Dude you need to do this thing, it's called RESEARCH. EMP requires.. A high altitude nuclear burst, it effects large areas, and would BADLY hurt an industrialized country. (imagine if tomorrow, someone hit the USA with an EMP. All electrical grids, OUT, all computers, fried, TV, Radio, Cars, Watches... all financial records... everything. The country would be back to the 1800's. And it would take months to years to fix it all.

A little more research please. Allow me the pleasure of enlightening you on some FUNDAMENTAL Nuclear Physics. An EMP is basicially a high intense concentration of EMR (Electromagnetic Radiation). EMR occours naturally in nature by the Nuclear Fusion/Fission process in the cores of stars (such as our sun). When a Nuclear Weapon is detonated, nuclear fission occours in the core of the blast... much in the same fashion as that which keeps a star burning. This produces EMR (Gamma Waves, Microwaves, radio waves, infared, ultraviolet... ect..ect) all able to travel the speed of light. Because the blast is sudden and intense... so is the EMP (EMR) resulting from the blast. The resulting EMR and Magnetic shockwave easily overloads and destroys any electronic equipment within its radius. Usually most of the EMR produced by a nuclear blast is harmless, it is the intense EM Field combined with some of the more dangerous wavelengths that are responsible for the outages and wiping of magnetically encoded hard-disks.

Nuclear Fission is not the only thing capable of producing EMR. Radio Towers, Microwave Ovens, and even lightbulbs produce EMR. Theoretically, if you removed the guts of a microwave oven, refurbish it with stronger conductor materials, and have a large enough powersupply behind it you could re-create the very SAME EMP effect of a nuclear blast. There are devices like this that exist, they are known as "HVEMPBOXes" these have a very high EMP repetition rate from as low as 10hz up to 100khz. Range can be increased by reducing the gauge of wire in the primary Inductor and decreasing the value of the EMP module capacitor. These are capable of disabling computers and data at over 500 yards easily through buildings and walls. If youve ever seens "Ocean's Eleven", there is an example of this (the pinch).

I might also mention that at this very moment, this technology is already available and in use by Police in L.A. and other states to disable car engines at about 100 yards. I personally posess a crude/self-built device that fits in my pocket, and creates an EMP up to about 5 inches. This technology was also used in Operation: Desert Eagle & Iraqi Freedom (Primarily used to disable French Built Radar/AA Sites). But I am done getting sidetracked with this topic, If you wanna continue to argue the use/existance of EMP Modules/weapons, id suggest contacting any student attending MIT.

What disturbs me is that youre overly concerned about electronics equipment being horribly f'd up, but not the lives of the children born tomorrow or millions of generations to come. This is not something happening in some far off distant land. This is something that is also affecting Gulf War veterans exposed to these conditions. Like I said, maybe you'll feel differently when you start seeing more and more people born around you in your hometown without eyes, and baring grotesque facial features. Where will your God, and your conservative christian values be then? Im amazed how a group of people can actively protest something as miniscule as abortion, yet actively endorse condemnation of astronomically more lives. One of the biggest conservative arguments ive seen, is that an Unborn child, is entitled to basic human rights. Where are these rights of the children being horribly mutated by the weapons you use for war? If you had watched the flash presentation link in my first post, youd know that unspeakable birth deformities are up 300%-600% in the areas where these weapons have been used, and are rising.

When I leave this life, I can face my creator and honestly say that ive given all my effort to protecting his creations, trying to shelter them from being shot by nuclear waste... can you?

Quote by: PatrickHenry Sorta like shootin' up a nation with DU, huh, Vicchio?

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An EM Blast would be a cupcake compared to a DU attack. But I like your logic.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Prometheus And do have any idea how meaningless internet petitions are? Politicians pay less attentoin to internet petitions then they pay to genocide in africa. Which is about as much as I care about when you last got laid. Which is something I would rather not discuss. Ancient history was never my strong point.

Moderator hat on... again.

You have to stop his kind of post. You know quite well it is unacceptable.

Chris

[DaRk ShaDow]

Heres a flowchart I made a few minutes ago, for those of you that dont quite understand the big picture (conservatives, im looking in your direction)

[Mr.Vicchio]

You are very simple to think anyone with a clue will read that poster and believe a word of it.

[PatrickHenry]

Vicchio, you deny the factuality of the flowchart by DarkShadow?

Tell ya what. I'll bet ten bucks you won't eat a spoonful of DU dust...

[Prometheus]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Vicchio, you deny the factuality of the flowchart by DarkShadow? Tell ya what. I'll bet ten bucks you won't eat a spoonful of DU dust...

Would you eat a spoonfull of gunpowder, napalm, or rocket fuel, Patrick?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Prometheus Would you eat a spoonfull of gunpowder, napalm, or rocket fuel, Patrick?

Oh... Snap.

DU dust is not the safest thing to eat. No. But war is HELL PH, and you would reduce our combat abilities based on the "chance" that some lady could inhale/ingest enough DU dust to cause her baby problems.

Have you considered that there are LOTS of nasty things that get released into the air/ground/water/food during armed conflict? Fertilizer, chemicals, hell tires are NASTY damn things when they burn, and the fumes and waste could cause serious harm to an unborn child. Should we stop using rubbber tires in case a cehicle is destroyed and the tires burn, and the smoke gets into a womans lungs and harms her child?

Seriously people, use your heads, not your hearts. It's easy to pull a heart into a dumb line of thought.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Have you considered that there are LOTS of nasty things that get released into the air/ground/water/food during armed conflict?

More reasons to be damn sure of your facts before jumping into a shootin' war...

DU may violate a bunch of UN treaties. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplete...f_military_use
The US justified siezing Iraq because it was inviolation of UN resolutions. But for the US to violate UN treaty obligations is a horse of a different color, huh?

I mean if you're evil like Saddam, and defy the UN, you must have your oil-rich country siezed. But if you're a good guy with a white hat like the US, then there is no need to bother about pesky things like UN treaties, right?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You are very simple to think anyone with a clue will read that poster and believe a word of it.

Then you evidently don't have a clue. As I posted in another thread,

"DU munitions are primarily anti-tank munitions although several of the 'bunker buster' missiles and bombs are said to also use DU. The mass and density of DU 'penetrator' rounds make them frighteningly effective and deadly. The density of the uranium increases the maximum velocity of the shell or round increasing its ability to penetrate the heavy armor of tanks. At impact the round penetrates the armor, melts, explodes and burns."

Further:

"What has been systematically ignored (and some claim censored) in all of the governmental and industrial information provided in 'official' material concerning the safety of DU material is the fact that DU is still much more radioactive than most industrial materials, but also that when DU burns, it becomes an aerosol powder of depleted uranium, uranium oxide, uranium trioxide, and a mixture of several compounds of various other uranium oxides (also known as yellow cake). The chemistry and toxicity of these compounds varies (uranium oxide is the least toxic, though still not good, and uranium trioxide is the most toxic, very bad in fact). 'Yellow cake' is often cited as a possible ingredient in a RDD (radiological dispersal device, a dirty bomb). In the form of dust or powder, these materials are dangerous and become more dangerous the more a person is exposed to them. The Dutch Laka Foundation, a nuclear weapons watchdog group, estimates that the United States left behind 300-800 tons of aerated DU and uranium oxides in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as a result of the first Gulf War. Other sources put that number much higher." http://www.thefanzine.com/sections....id=7&a=articles

Do you still think DU is no big deal?

[bishop]

it seems that the pro-torture, pro-death crowd just doesn't give a damn about the consequences of using DU.. doesn't matter that its usage results in huge increases in cancer rates - for both innocent civilians as well as our own soldiers (eg. pawns).. all that matters to them is the little bit that they can see right in front of their noses - killing our opponents.

we are hardly the only country that uses DU weapons though.. i think america's in the spotlight because we've been the most pro-war country over the past couple decades.

[snake]

I saw a special on 60 minutes a few years back about the side effects of DU, im talking causing ex-soldiers kids to be born with deformities and some death. I dont remeber the specifics but I think they concentrated theyre study on troops from the tank corps. I assure you i am a firm military supporter and strong republican but this DU stuff needs to be researched before we send our boys to fight with it. I mean if it were messing the enemy up, thats fine, but the report talked about our sons and brothers lives being negatively affected by the stuff and to me that is grounds of removal period! Now calling it modern american nuclear warfare...that is extreme. In the last week of my membership in this site titles like this are the norm...ill use a movie quote on that one, "the BS piles up so high and fast here you need wings to stay above it!"

[Keith Hamburger]

OK. I'll have to toss my few cents in here, I guess. I'm ignoring the poll because I don't think it has a real good answer. And, it was obviously setup for a specific political purpose to try to guide thought, not to find out what is really going on.

I think DU should be heavily restricted, but not completely outlawed. I think, in small amounts used by expert gunners on specific targets it can be very useful. It is virtually unmatched as an anti-tank weapon and has a limited number of other uses. And small amounts of almost anything are not particularly harmful to others. The problem arises when there are hundreds of tons of this stuff strewn around a battlefield.

The real question I would have is why are we using so much of this crap in Iraq? We have never faced a large armored force in Iraq, with the possible exception of the Southern Desert in the first Gulf War. If this stuff was used as I think it should be, only the most highly trained and skilled marksmen on a particular weapons system use it against clearly identified targets for which the weapon was designed, especially away from population centers, there should have been very little in Iraq. Reports, however, indicate that we've used enormous amounts.

I believe the way we have been using these weapons is highly irresponsible. It probably comes down to our leaders having thought we might face a lot of armor shipped all this ammo over there and they don't want to bring it back. So, they just use it up in places where it shouldn't be used at all.

I can't blame this situation on the soldiers or the weapons but on the leaders that have shown such disregard to human life as to use this stuff irresponsibly.

Keith

[snake]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger If this stuff was used as I think it should be, only the most highly trained and skilled marksmen on a particular weapons system use it against clearly identified targets for which the weapon was designed, especially away from population centers, there should have been very little in Iraq. Reports, however, indicate that we've used enormous amounts. Keith

We have the most highly trained tank gunners in the world with the exception of the Isreali tank forces, and the abrams is the best and one of the most advanced tanks in the world. However, with great regret, I must admit I couldve cared less if it had been used on the enemy but when our own soldiers are bringing home horror stories about their ammo we supply them something must be done. I agree that it is beyond a great weapon system but no weapon system is worth harming your own troops. I say it should be completely recalled until further researched or until it is less harmful.