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Mathieu · Feb 25, 2004, 03:02 am

Hehe, well I suppose patriotism is some sort of emotion of belonging to a group, who share some ideals , and can disagree, but in average think that they are well togheter.

Well , as human are spread around the world , and as we are proud of being what we are, or not, and as we are all happy to be alive and on this earth , that should appears like a valid type of patriotism to me.
a corrolar of this is that :

Limiting the definition of patriotism to very narrow definition who fit your belief is childish and is not helping in any point the discussion .

I think we are more interrested here by what in general make people feel patriotic , and how this "common" feeling can be shared by people who have absolutely no affinity in their beliefs .

Or how patriotism morph into nationalism , segregation and facism .

Or how patriotism lost and won war etc....

castille · Feb 25, 2004, 08:57 am

A patriot is someone who loves their country and people dearly. People who are willing to stand up and fight - and if necessary, die - for their country and their people.

Anyone who is against patriotism should be against having a family too. In a sense patriotism is a wider sense of family. You defend your parents if a murderer comes at them, and you defend your country if another country threatens you.

Patriotism is not blindness. It is simply love for your country. It isnt ignorance; people who understand politics still lives your country. Nor is it hate. You can love other countries, but your heart always stays with your nation.

Many so-called liberals are in fact secretly patriotic. G Adams defended Great Britain when I suggested German soldiers (WW2) fought better than the Brits.

Mathieu · Feb 25, 2004, 10:18 am

And where is the difference between patriotism and nationalism ?

antayla · Feb 25, 2004, 11:39 am

Patriotism is seperatism. Pure and simple. I think the ONLY problem in life is seperatism... people who act as if they are not part of something bigger, something more than themselves. Individuals do it, groups do it, but it doesn't stave off loneliness or insecurity because it doesn't address the fact that you can't draw lines between one person and another, one group and another. Everything and everyone is interconnected and no amount of flag waving and personal preening is ever going to change that.

jose · Feb 26, 2004, 03:06 pm

In reading your posts on patriots my mind thought of a song by john lennon "imaging" and maybe patriotism will be seen as a kind of raceism in the future
"and the world will be as one"

Impenitent · Feb 26, 2004, 04:38 pm

the human animal will never allow that...

Feb 25, 2004, 08:57 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	A patriot is someone who loves their country and people dearly. People who are willing to stand up and fight - and if necessary, die - for their country and their people. Anyone who is against patriotism should be against having a family too. In a sense patriotism is a wider sense of family. You defend your parents if a murderer comes at them, and you defend your country if another country threatens you. Patriotism is not blindness. It is simply love for your country. It isnt ignorance; people who understand politics still lives your country. Nor is it hate. You can love other countries, but your heart always stays with your nation. Many so-called liberals are in fact secretly patriotic. G Adams defended Great Britain when I suggested German soldiers (WW2) fought better than the Brits. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 25, 2004, 11:39 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	Patriotism is seperatism. Pure and simple. I think the ONLY problem in life is seperatism... people who act as if they are not part of something bigger, something more than themselves. Individuals do it, groups do it, but it doesn't stave off loneliness or insecurity because it doesn't address the fact that you can't draw lines between one person and another, one group and another. Everything and everyone is interconnected and no amount of flag waving and personal preening is ever going to change that. Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Feb 26, 2004, 04:38 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	the human animal will never allow that... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 25, 2004, 03:02 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	Hehe, well I suppose patriotism is some sort of emotion of belonging to a group, who share some ideals , and can disagree, but in average think that they are well togheter. Well , as human are spread around the world , and as we are proud of being what we are, or not, and as we are all happy to be alive and on this earth , that should appears like a valid type of patriotism to me. a corrolar of this is that : Limiting the definition of patriotism to very narrow definition who fit your belief is childish and is not helping in any point the discussion . I think we are more interrested here by what in general make people feel patriotic , and how this "common" feeling can be shared by people who have absolutely no affinity in their beliefs . Or how patriotism morph into nationalism , segregation and facism . Or how patriotism lost and won war etc....

Feb 25, 2004, 10:18 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	And where is the difference between patriotism and nationalism ?

Feb 26, 2004, 03:06 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,625	In reading your posts on patriots my mind thought of a song by john lennon "imaging" and maybe patriotism will be seen as a kind of raceism in the future "and the world will be as one"