Cindy Sheehan in Perspective

[trueheart]

Mark Steyn puts the events in Crawford in perspective.

"......: they’re not children in Iraq; they’re thinking adults who ‘made a decision to join the Armed Forces and defend our country’." ......

"Whenever I’m on a radio show these days, someone calls in and demands to know whether my children are in Iraq. Well, not right now. They range in age from five to nine, and though that’s plenty old enough to sign up for the jihad and toddle into an Israeli pizza parlour wearing a suicide-bomb, in most advanced societies’ armed forces they prefer to use grown-ups."

It helps to remember that Mrs. Sheehan's son, Casey, was not 5 or 9, and that he volunteered to go in the military; he came home and then volunteered to go back to Iraq two months before his death.

Casey also volunteered for the mission on which he was killed.

His opinion evidently was markedly different from his Mother's.

This weekend a really silly CNN reporter on tried to get her interviewee (unknown to me) to declare that Casey didn't go into the military far war......... "he didn't want war"........ She couldn't have been more wrong.

In this column Mark Steyn points out that Ms. Sheehan also now opposes the toppling of the Taliban from Afghanistan and destroying the terrorists' training camp there.

He believes she's having a public nervous breakdown and that she is being used by the most radical of the Democratic party, while the mainstream party members, for the most part, are staying away.

"Cindy Sheehan is a woman whose grief has curdled into a narcissistic rage, and the Democrats cheering her on are cheering their own marginalisation. Most Americans will not follow where she’s gone — to the wilder shores of anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-Iraq, anti-Afghanistan, anti-Israel, anti-American paranoia. Casey Sheehan’s service was not the act of a child. A shame you can’t say the same about his mom’s new friends."

Full article is here:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6501&page=1

[GodBlessAmerica]

She's got a right to her opinion, but she IMO sure has problems, including owing taxes since 1996.

Cindy Sheehan's face did appear on a baseball according to someone selling it on Ebay, but the sale was pulled.

[Osborn F Enready]

Sad, when we condemn mothers for grieving over their sons wrongful death, in a wrongful war, by a hypocritical president, in a nation full of what are supposed to be "Americans".

Even those that hate the war, or those that are pacifists, almost all of them want NOTHING BUT THE BEST for our troops. I was a troop at one time, and I am against the war. Just because people are DEMANDING ANSWERS, CHANGE, and an END TO THE PROBLEM WE STARTED does not make us any less patriotic, or civic minded.

It is the sheeple who complain about the protests, for it is they that don't understand the rights our soldiers are supposed to be fighting to protect, instead of trying to win OTHER NATIONS
WARS.

WMD---- ZERO
IMMINENT THREAT---ZERO
CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND 9-11---- ZERO
LIES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SINCE BUSH HAS BEEN IN OFFICE, UNDER OATH...still going, and going and going and going and going.....

Energizer bunny aint got squat on a Bush.

[Sean]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica She's got a right to her opinion, but she IMO sure has problems, including owing taxes since 1996. Cindy Sheehan's face did appear on a baseball according to someone selling it on Ebay, but the sale was pulled.

Please keep it focused Godbless. I would not encourage the anti-Bush crowd to post humorous imagery in a serious topic you had.

Thanks.

[trueheart]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Sad, when we condemn mothers for grieving over their sons wrongful death, in a wrongful war, by a hypocritical president, in a nation full of what are supposed to be "Americans".

Nobody's comdemning mothers for grieving; we are condemning one who believes her grief makes her an expert on what American needs to do in its defense.

Even those that hate the war, or those that are pacifists, almost all of them want NOTHING BUT THE BEST for our troops. I was a troop at one time, and I am against the war. Just because people are DEMANDING ANSWERS, CHANGE, and an END TO THE PROBLEM WE STARTED does not make us any less patriotic, or civic minded.

I don't think you mean you were a "troop"; but perhaps you were IN a troop.

And nobody has said you were less patriotic....only that you are WRONG.

WMD---- ZERO

Believed by both the last two administration for more than a decade. Believed by the British, Jordanian, Australian intelligence Agencies and most Middle East countries, especially those on who Saddam had used them. And believed by those who helped teach them how to "do" weaponry........France and Russia. Believed by Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc. etc. Now all Libs have selectively lost their memory on this subject. We understand, but we don't forgive or forget.

IMMINENT THREAT---ZERO

The entire idea behind the Bush Doctrine is we will no longer wait until a threat is imminent...the concept now is to act BEFORE a threat since we are dealing with suicide individuals with the ability to turn Box Cutters and Air Liners into Weapons of Mass Destruction. A message to Jihadists was needed...........Afghanistan and Iraq are that message. So far, many in the Middle East are "getting it". Unfortunately too many weak Americans are NOT getting it.

CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND 9-11---- ZERO

Nobody in this administration has ever said there was such a connection. This was part of the Michael Moore Folkfore from his propagandist film, "The Fuhrer Gives the Jews a Village"........woops! Sorry my mistake......Wrong propagandist. I mean "FahrenHYPE 9/11"

LIES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SINCE BUSH HAS BEEN IN OFFICE, UNDER OATH...still going, and going and going and going and going.....

Energizer bunny aint got squat on a Bush.

Bush IS very energetic President. He'd be happy you noticed.

[PatrickHenry]

I say pull this thread into the trash, Sean. The link makes you register. Unless your policy has changed...

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica She's got a right to her opinion, but she IMO sure has problems, including owing taxes since 1996. Cindy Sheehan's face did appear on a baseball according to someone selling it on Ebay, but the sale was pulled.

More dirt dug up by the war hawking right wingers. :rolleyes:

Sad

[kingjust]

Nobody's comdemning mothers for grieving; we are condemning one who believes her grief makes her an expert on what American needs to do in its defense.

Then why don't you condemn Bitch, I mean Bush. Just because he is pres. makes him by default the know it all on defending our nation, which I might add has been poorly done. Our borders are still open in the south west which we cater to "illegals" which could turn out to be terrorists. C'mon give me a break, I can't believe everyone has anymosity towards her but none to Bush........CAT Scan please!!!

I don't think you mean you were a "troop"; but perhaps you were IN a troop. And nobody has said you were less patriotic....only that you are WRONG.

WTF, you can't be in a troop, credibility down the drain. A troop is an individual in the armed forces more so referenceing army soldiers. I was a Marine, but I have also been called a troop.

Believed by both the last two administration for more than a decade. Believed by the British, Jordanian, Australian intelligence Agencies and most Middle East countries, especially those on who Saddam had used them. And believed by those who helped teach them how to "do" weaponry........France and Russia. Believed by Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc. etc. Now all Libs have selectively lost their memory on this subject. We understand, but we don't forgive or forget.

Okay, there is a difference in using them way back when, and not having any now. Why is that so hard to understand. If he had those WMD's that he used back then, maybe I would have supported the war. But even a legit group of individuals sent to find them comes back and says that there are none, are wrong? But the right wing crack heads thinks the investigating team is wrong and they are right, i'm sorry, not the right wing crack heads, but the crack heads in this current administration? If this administration said that everyone should jump off the brooklyn bridge because "they" said so, and it was for national defense, I think the hudson will be full of floating bodies!

The entire idea behind the Bush Doctrine is we will no longer wait until a threat is imminent...the concept now is to act BEFORE a threat since we are dealing with suicide individuals with the ability to turn Box Cutters and Air Liners into Weapons of Mass Destruction. A message to Jihadists was needed...........Afghanistan and Iraq are that message. So far, many in the Middle East are "getting it". Unfortunately too many weak Americans are NOT getting it.

I'm sorry but to this I have to say fuck you, fuck you, and....fuck you one more time. Weak americans!!!! Who was the mastermind behind sept 11?????? OSAMA,.... but your dip shit faitful leader decided that he wasn't important any more. Transcript of press conference:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0020313-8.html And I bet my bottem dollar that if we caught Osama, tried and fried his ass, things would be different. And FYI, NK, Iran, any nuclear (not nucular) state can be considered an iminent threat. Remember this saying, keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer??? You cannot fight terrorism in one place, hell I can start to revolt and turn myself into a terrorist (not serious), but you get my point. We only got what was told to us and fed to us through the news and press conferences. So maybe the weak americans who don't get it might be the ones who have it right!!

Nobody in this administration has ever said there was such a connection. This was part of the Michael Moore Folkfore from his propagandist film, "The Fuhrer Gives the Jews a Village"........woops! Sorry my mistake......Wrong propagandist. I mean "FahrenHYPE 9/11"

Chew on this for a while: http://www.americanprogress.org/AccountTempFiles/cf/{E9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03}/PRIRAQCLAIMFACT1029.HTM#1

Bush IS very energetic President. He'd be happy you noticed.

Here's a tissue for you mouth, and you finally got use out of those knee pads huh. Sorry mods, but you know he deserved this!! IMO as always.

[Chris]

Kingjust, it would be nice to include who it is you are quoting, Its very confusing.

[kingjust]

sorry Chris, trueheart.

[Chris]

thanks.

[trueheart]

Quote by: kingjust sorry Chris, trueheart.

Sorry for the confusion. There are no direct quotes from Mark Steyn here. The stuff in boxes are Ms. Sheehan. The rest is my comments or my interpreting Steyn's remarks, in which I mention his name.

[Chris]

Mate, I was talking to kingjust.

[Sonart]

Quote by: trueheart Nobody's comdemning mothers for grieving; we are condemning one who believes her grief makes her an expert on what American needs to do in its defense.

Well, considering that the "experts" invaded and occupied a sovereign nation by mistake -- there being no WMD or terrorist connections in Iraq as America and the world were informed there were -- and that the post-invasion occupation of Iraq has been, to quote Jimmy Carter, "a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations", that virtually every postive outcome and prediction made by LBDubya and Rumsnamara has failed to pass, and that virtually every thing we, plus CIA, State Dept intelligence and Bush's former senior military, predicted would go wrong has gone wrong, I'm hard pressed to understand how Cindy Sheehan could be any less of an expert.

Quote by: trueheart And nobody has said you were less patriotic....only that you are WRONG.

Wrong about what? This administration has gotten so much wrong from the day they first plotted this reckless adventure, what's left for anyone else to get wrong?

Quote by: trueheart Believed by both the last two administration for more than a decade. Believed by the British, Jordanian, Australian intelligence Agencies and most Middle East countries, especially those on who Saddam had used them. And believed by those who helped teach them how to "do" weaponry........France and Russia. Believed by Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc. etc. Now all Libs have selectively lost their memory on this subject. We understand, but we don't forgive or forget.

My memory's fine... I remember that absolutely none of these people advocated the invasion and occupation of a hostile nation, the size of Texas, surrounded on 3 sides by even more hostile populations, all smack in the middle of a part of the world where terrorism is an art form and young Muslims want nothing more out of life than to die killing Americans.

Quote by: trueheart The entire idea behind the Bush Doctrine is we will no longer wait until a threat is imminent...

Pretty friggin' stupid doctrine, then. They invade a country by mistake, based on an wrong information and an assumption that it might be a danger someday, somehow, maybe... all to achieve the following: the heart of our military buried neck deep in a guagmire we can't win and can't get out of, losing two or three American lives day after day after day, with ten times that number maimed or wounded, 5 billion dollars spent weekly, the U.S. -- once the respected leader of the free world -- now a pariah nation, with more and more coalition partners deserting us, and the insurgency getting stronger instead of weaker...

...was there something about the Bush Doctrine that I'm supposed to be reassured by?

Quote by: trueheart Nobody in this administration has ever said there was such a connection.

If you think that Dear Leader hasn't been trying to mislead us and imply such a connection with his every utterance, you're a fool or a liar.

Which is it?

.

[righthand]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica She's got a right to her opinion, but she IMO sure has problems, including owing taxes since 1996. Cindy Sheehan's face did appear on a baseball according to someone selling it on EBay, but the sale was pulled. Quote by: Sean Please keep it focused Godbless. I would not encourage the anti-Bush crowd to post humorous imagery in a serious topic you had. Thanks.

08-21-05, 08:59 am #76 GodBlessAmerica

08-23-05, 01:57 pm #92 righthand Now there IS OFFICIAL GOVERMENT DOCTORING ... Is this more official government doctoring??? Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Meanwhile there are pro Bush and military supporters with a different view. This is far WORSE. This is SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK..... This is of the SICK MIND'S that belief that spilling blood is so noble ideal, but never their own These are the people that reveled in the S&M film by Gibson. SICK SICK SICK These are the people who use god, their god, as an excuse for their worst excesses. These are the people that dragged human beings - black - behind vehicles until dead. These are the KKK descendants without the white cape.

Guess who got this admonishment.

If you're sick of the images, righthand, then please stop re-posting them.

There was no admonishment for the poster of either of the Cindy Sheehan doctored images. I believe my re-posting was valid of comparison and this was a case of shoot the messenger. How would you rate these images?

If I come back again, can I have god in my name. Something like the righthandGod. Your 'enemies' get smitted and you get to annoy everyone with doctored images and dubious or no sources. You ever get to call posters

god 08-26-05, 07:47 pm Quote by: righthand Yesterday two Americans went for a bike ride. One is a GREAT AMERICAN. The other is a BAD AMERICAN. Pick-out the GOOD American. Clue: The GOOD American opposed the war in Iraq!!! The GREAT AMERICAN was looking for GOOD things off the BAD man. Will he get good things of the Neanderthal bad man, who doesn't believe in dinosaurs? Second clue: One is a cowboy in every sense, but he doesn't ride a horse. Where's your source as to proof of who is good and bad? To say your premise for this thread was bent would be charitable. I'm going to post a nice MASS GRAVE link form Iraq later when I have time and you can review some of the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq, and maybe you can point to which was your favorite death and explain why you feel such deaths should have been continued?

"bent" as in "To misrepresent; distort: bend the truth." And I'm worse than bent.

The essence of the problem lies in this quote

Quote by: Sean #32 or #35 {in twice} Bias is okay, but Sean is biased I guess the only other bias I could be accused of is my defense of the minority. That is, I will defend conservatives/pro-war folks if they go little nuts when they are surrounded by tons of anti-war folks who take it too far. That has not happened too often yet but I would do it if the same situation were in reverse.

This is noble sounding woolly thinking clap trap. Seeing it as an unequal ten against one war game is absolutely wrong. If you can only see it in combative terms then war is the wrong idea. Voluntary one on one in a ring is closer and nobody is forced into the ring. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" except by being called a LIAR.

righthand ... Bias is okay, but Sean is biased. #34 I hope this Forum is primarily about debate. Input is either sources or opinion. The intermingling of both is the cause of most problems. Maybe they do not get PMs from older and wiser [posters] to guide them. No, they see warning being issued to posters who are frustrated by the new comers constant breach of the standard. This of course encourages them to frustrate the regulars even more. So the moderators, to encourage the new comers, issue no PMs to them and post PUBLIC WARNINGS to the frustrated old hands. The twisted logic being that there are more than enough of them and we need more of the kiddies. {see above} As a business model, this is a recipe for disaster. You lose your older loyal customers in the hope that the flighty newbies stick around and they continue with their bad habits so that even your most loyal posters go. Worse, the newbies never get good advice. Not from an administrator or moderator or a 'bird of similar feather' poster. So whose fault is with when the situation blows up and red cards are flying about. IT IS THE ADMINISTRATOR & MODERADORS FAULT. A friendly PM early to the newbie would ensure a smooth transition. They don't do friendly PMs.... I'm sure of course that I'm wrong. Decades of experience of dealing with paying customers really is of no use in this type of non-business venture. Its just my bias showing.

Most of the warnings that I got were about wrong use of 'Latest News'

Israeli bus killer lynched by mob #40 A lot of time and effort is wasted in sorting minor "sticks and stones" crap on this forum. To my mind, the SUBVERSION of the Forum by persons with an AGENDA to destroy open debate is MUCH more serious than any other sin. I am a convinced believer in 'Latest News' and was a regular contributor. After Documents Show State Department Warned Clinton About Bin Laden I replied #7 at length. apart included... Quote by: righthand How many were conned by this plant by fox news. [CENTER] I DO NOT EXPECT TO GET CONNED BY VOLCONVO 'LATEST NEWS' [/CENTER] I VALUE 'Latest News' HIGHLY. It's a GREAT idea. I'd bet that I got the detail of the format wrong more than most. Maybe I use it more than most. It has been said. All but once, I was wrong and learnt. Onetime I used Reuters and went to Miscellaneous. I would not dream of putting into the Forum any story that I had suspicions of, never mind into 'Latest News'. Then this. I fell very bad about this abuse of 'Latest News'. As nothing was done, I regard 'Latest New' for now as TAINTED News and have posted NO NEW threads.

The first time that I got a public warning was for listing one mornings postings by a newbie. I made no comment. Not only was I accused of attempted to do 'Sean's' job, I was further order not to respond publicly. No PM was sent to me but I must respond privately. This is akin to the prosecution presenting its case but the defence doesn't get heard, a least publicly. Twice this has happened. I do not know if its normal or usual. It reminds me of Fox's "True & Fair". The other warnings were concerned with my interest in answers about a middle east state. The last started with

If I had to be a neighbour of either the US or China, who would I choose. My heart would say the USA but my brain and history would say China EVERY TIME.

After a lenghty arguement I ended up with

The issue of course is Israel. Your relationship with the world is defined by your relationship with Israel.

Quote by: matt What exactly has this got to do with China news, righthand? If you want to rant about Israel & the US, then by all means start a thread on it....but try and stay on-topic in your own stuff.

which only encouraged

Quote by: rainbow Off Topic. I am not sure whom are you trying to address off-topic data to. To yourself ?

So China News is dead not that you would notice.

If the Public Warnings are to have credibility then it should allow public defence. Whatever the intent of the warning in the first place, would be equally well served sent through PM, except for some ego thing.

[RVonse]

Quote by: trueheart It helps to remember that Mrs. Sheehan's son, Casey, was not 5 or 9, and that he volunteered to go in the military; he came home and then volunteered to go back to Iraq two months before his death. http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6501&page=1

Calling them adults is not correct either because most of them can not even purchase alcohol legally.

I happen to have 3 children who all would be old enough for the military, yet they are all very immature IMO. Definately not adults yet.

[northtexan]

Quote by: trueheart Mark Steyn puts the events in Crawford in perspective. It helps to remember that Mrs. Sheehan's son, Casey, was not 5 or 9, and that he volunteered to go in the military; he came home and then volunteered to go back to Iraq two months before his death. Casey also volunteered for the mission on which he was killed. His opinion evidently was markedly different from his Mother's. This weekend a really silly CNN reporter on tried to get her interviewee (unknown to me) to declare that Casey didn't go into the military far war......... "he didn't want war"........ She couldn't have been more wrong. In this column Mark Steyn points out that Ms. Sheehan also now opposes the toppling of the Taliban from Afghanistan and destroying the terrorists' training camp there. He believes she's having a public nervous breakdown and that she is being used by the most radical of the Democratic party, while the mainstream party members, for the most part, are staying away. Full article is here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6501&page=1

I've met Cindy Sheehan, at Crawford. She is a grieving mother who opposed the war before Casey was killed. She is not unbalanced -- that is a lie circulated by the right, which has nothing useful to contribute but knows that Cindy has helped shift the debate against it. She is a dedicated person who was at the right place at the right time. (By the way, I was among the one-hundred-or-so who first marched to and through the ditches with her on August 6.) If you want to single out someone who has gone over the mental edge, I advise you to look at Dubya whenever he makes speeches or other appearances -- I really do believe that the man has become unbalanced, even beyond the ideological nonsense that he has represented since recovering from the drunk tank.

I don't know how Casey felt about the larger issues of the war, but from what I heard, he felt he was doing the right thing to return to Iraq and be with his unit. He did NOT die in vain -- when he died, he was protecting those who were searching for WMDs. Yes, they were searching in vain as a result of Bushista lies, but they were doing their duty in searching, and Casey was doing his duty in protecting them.

[northtexan]

Quote by: trueheart Nobody's comdemning mothers for grieving; we are condemning one who believes her grief makes her an expert on what American needs to do in its defense.

It's not being a grieving mother that makes Cindy an expert on defense, it's being an American. The grief creates the momentum that has propelled her expertise into being a major force. It's also the ability to study the issues and apply logic that makes us experts on what the U.S. needs to do -- two commodities that are profoundly lacking on the pro-war-crimes side. Dubya, to paraphrase Jon Stewart, has got nothin'. To try to defend his war crimes, he trots out new forms of the debunked lies that he used to start the war, particularly the nonexistent link of Iraq with 9/11. And when he goes looking for a grieving mom to counterpose to Cindy, he comes up with a mom WHO HAS NOT LOST A SON OR ANY OTHER LOVED ONE to the war.

Quote by: trueheart I don't think you mean you were a "troop"; but perhaps you were IN a troop. And nobody has said you were less patriotic....only that you are WRONG.

Untrue. Those of us who are against the war crimes are constantly called unpatriotic, traitors, and unAmerican. You may not have done this, but others on Volcanovo definitely have.

Quote by: trueheart Believed by both the last two administration for more than a decade. Believed by the British, Jordanian, Australian intelligence Agencies and most Middle East countries, especially those on who Saddam had used them. And believed by those who helped teach them how to "do" weaponry........France and Russia. Believed by Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, etc. etc. Now all Libs have selectively lost their memory on this subject. We understand, but we don't forgive or forget.

Believed correctly into the past administration -- the WMDs were destroyed during the Clinton Administration. Not believed but known by prior administrations: who supplied some of the weapons -- it was the U.S. as well as France and Russia who supplied WMDs to Saddam. It was only in 1995 that the U.S. received strong intelligence that the WMDs had been destroyed, and the UN inspectors were close to so declaring -- they KNEW, had evidence, that 90-95% had been destroyed, but could not declare Iraq in compliance without documenting the other 5-10% (as Scott Ritter, the chief UN weapons inspector, has testified). The Administration knew all of this but lied and twisted reports in order to try to justify their war crime.

As for the spineless Democrats who went along with Dubya -- well, they're still largely spineless Democrats. I'd like to see them swept out of office along with almost all Republicans, but that is just not going to happen.

Quote by: trueheart The entire idea behind the Bush Doctrine is we will no longer wait until a threat is imminent...the concept now is to act BEFORE a threat since we are dealing with suicide individuals with the ability to turn Box Cutters and Air Liners into Weapons of Mass Destruction. A message to Jihadists was needed...........Afghanistan and Iraq are that message. So far, many in the Middle East are "getting it". Unfortunately too many weak Americans are NOT getting it.

No, the entire idea behind the Dubya Doctrine is to lie and then act before enough of the American people catch onto the lie. Thankfully, the American people are increasingly catching onto the liar, so as not to be fooled by continuing lies.

Quote by: trueheart CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND 9-11---- ZERO Nobody in this administration has ever said there was such a connection. This was part of the Michael Moore Folkfore from his propagandist film, "The Fuhrer Gives the Jews a Village"........woops! Sorry my mistake......Wrong propagandist. I mean "FahrenHYPE 9/11"

Well, Truegut, if you're going to lie, you do it in style. The lie about the connection between Saddam and 9/11 was one of the principle ruses used to justify the war: generally insinuated by Dubya but explicitly stated by Cheney and other Busheviks.

And of course you cannot help but try to drag in Farenheit 9/11. It's amazing that the pro-war-crimes crowd brings it up so often, given that they have been unable to debunk ANY of its claims. All they can do is rage that it's all wrong, because they cannot show that it is wrong in any particular.

[THECAJUN127]

Cindy Sheenen Is The Jane Fonda Of This Generation, Her Own Family Are Sickened By Her Clown Act!

[northtexan]

Quote by: THECAJUN127 Cindy Sheenen Is The Jane Fonda Of This Generation, Her Own Family Are Sickened By Her Clown Act!

Well, Jane Fonda was important when I was protesting the Vietnam War, so I still have some respect for her, despite some of her activities since.

As to Cindy, she's like all of us: she has some nutcases that shame her family, too. Thank goodness they're only distant inlaws.

And Cindy has been much more effective than Jane ever was; and much more needed. Thanks to Cindy, the War is back in the American consciousness and is disdained by the great majority of Americans. Even many of those who think we need to stay the course recognize the mess that the Bushistas have made of it and are starting to note what a scumbag our so-called president is: Bush's numbers are even lower than the war's.