How to honour your DEAD

[righthand]

Contrast how the US honours it's Dead with the REST

Spain mourns troops dead in crash
BBC News ...Saturday, 20 August 2005, 10:43 GMT 11:43 UK

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King Juan Carlos (saluting, left) led mourners at army headquarters[/center]

Spain has held a state funeral for 17 of its soldiers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan on Tuesday. King Juan Carlos and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero led about 1,000 mourners at the ceremony at the army's headquarters in Madrid. Flags are at half-mast as the country marks two days of national mourning. The royal family greeted relatives of the victims individually, and Queen Sofia hugged some of the mourners. The US, UK, France and Nato sent representatives, and condolences from US President George W Bush were read out on television. The bodies of the 17 victims arrived in Spain on Thursday and were received at a ceremony led by King Juan Carlos and Mr Zapatero. The Spanish military's Roman Catholic bishop led Saturday's religious ceremony.

Condolences from bush read out on TV. How CHEAP. Your president has no class.

BBC NEWS:VIDEO AND AUDIO Watch scenes from the state funeral in Madrid http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4168132.stm#

If you take the time to watch the video, you will see how to honour your dead.

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Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero (L), Princess Letizia (C), Crown Prince Felipe (3rd R), Spain's Queen Sofia (2nd R) and Spain's King Juan Carlos (R) pay their last respects during a state funeral for peacekeepers at Madrid's army headquarters August 20, 2005. Spain's royal family and Prime Minister joined the relatives of 17 Spanish peacekeepers who were killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan on Tuesday at the state funeral. The helicopter crashed during an exercise near Herat city in the west of the country. [Reuters][/center]

Spain holds state funeral for 17 soldiers killed in Afghanistan
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King Juan Carlos and other members of Spain's royal family led mourners at a state funeral Saturday for 17 Spanish soldiers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, AP reported. Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, members of his Cabinet and other high-ranking politicians attended the service at the Spanish army's headquarters in Madrid. Queen Sofia hugged relatives of the dead soldiers. Some were so overcome by grief they had to leave parts of the ceremony. A poignant moment came when the king assisted soldier Susana Perez Torres in laying a medal on the coffin of her husband, Sgt. Alfredo Francisco Joga.

Where are the photos of the American president, their Commander-in-Chief attending the funerals of his fallen.

I'll delay posting the photos inside the giant plane. Worse, those with the faces and ranks of live soldiers blanked out. I'm enraged when I see the contrast and I'm not American.
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[bishop]

no... we don't.. we keep them there dying for bush's bogus war.. and besides the dead, there are some 10-14 thousand soldiers who've been wounded in one way or another.. that's a shitload of people imo. people who've futures have been ruined all because of bush.

they don't even want pictures taken of all the coffins piling up because it could hurt the rosy facade they've been trying to cast over this debacle.. really honorable indeed.. our dead are to be forgotten, because remembering them and taking notice of their death will push public opinion against the war.

[mr.perfecto]

I think you wasted 98% of the time you dedicated to preparing that post. Go eat dinner, see a movie, read something (hopefully non-political so you can avoid further projecting the underlying pyschological considerations that inform your political opinions.)

The sincerity of grief is not evidenced by the proximity to the ceremony or how much media coverage is in attendence on the occasion of its expression. In the US, Americans traditionally honor all of the dead after the conclusion of the conflict. Over doing the ceremony or frequent repetitions of it does much to cheap the significance of the event.

[bishop]

yeah, we honor them by keeping them out of sight and out of mind.

[righthand]

Quote by: mr.perfecto I think you wasted 98% of the time you dedicated to preparing that post. Go eat dinner, see a movie, read something (hopefully non-political so you can avoid further projecting the underlying psychological considerations that inform your political opinions.) The sincerity of grief is not evidenced by the proximity to the ceremony or how much media coverage is in attendance on the occasion of its expression. In the US, Americans traditionally honor all of the dead after the conclusion of the conflict. Over doing the ceremony or frequent repetitions of it does much to cheap the significance of the event.

mr.perfecto and georgie porgy would get on very well together. Both are totally compassion-less bastards. It would not surprise me if mr.perfecto sat-out military service together. No man who served his country under fire could be so cruel.

When there was last a soldier's funeral in your area did you "Go eat dinner, see a movie, read something". I doubt if you think at all. Certainly the more you spew the easier it is to show mr.UNperfect you really are. You SIMPLY CANNOT WIN AN ARGUEMENT WHEN DEALING WITH GRIEF!!! That you do not know this shows that you are an empty shell. On this issue, 'Sean' would let me away with forum murder, but there's no need. But there's no need. There's enough emotion and logic on my side to wrap you up in a nice little bundle and leave you out for the binmen. I feel on this like the spider to the fly. Splat. Please come back at me. I'd love to give you a second lesson in humanity.

"I think you wasted 98% of the time you dedicated to preparing that post." If the littlest thing that I could do would go anyway to saving a soldier's life then I would not consider my time wasted. There's no hope for you, so don't start now. It's certain that you would make a bad situation worse. "The sincerity of grief" are fine sounding words, but where's the action. If you pray, do you pray for an end to the war and less deaths or are you still praying for an impossible win and more innocent soldier deaths in an illegal war.

[center]Spain's King Juan Carlos talks to Defence Minister Jose Bono during a funeral parade at Getafe airbase, near Madrid
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Spain's King Juan Carlos (2nd R, front) talks to Defence Minister Jose Bono (2nd L, front) as Crown Prince Felipe (R, front) and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero (L, front) watch during a funeral parade at Getafe airbase, near Madrid, August 18, 2005. Mourning relatives were joined by Spain's King, Crown Prince and prime minister on Thursday for the arrival of the bodies of 17 Spanish peacekeepers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan this week. The helicopter crashed on Tuesday during an exercise near Herat city in the west of the country. REUTERS/SERGIO PEREZ

Funeral parade at the airbase.

Two days of morning.

[mr.perfecto]

Quote by: righthand mr.perfecto and georgie porgy would get on very well together. Both are totally compassion-less bastards. It would not surprise me if mr.perfecto sat-out military service together. No man who served his country under fire could be so cruel.

I will, of course, completely ignore the accusation of cowardice. No man who has honest love of his country and respect for his countrymen could wish to see the solemnization of the sacrifices and hardships of the American soldier turned into a three-ring circus. It is much better to have a single, simple ceremony rather than encourage the types of superficial, hollow, meaningless displays of emotion that would naturally accompany a large, drawn out, and frequent event. We could have a national day of mourning for every individual soldier, and when we reached the last name on the list we could start back at the top again, but doing so would not increase the level of respect for the fallen soldier. It would turn him into an object of resentment as such an excessive level of rememberance could only be aimed at forcing those who remained to feel unending guilt over not falling with their brothers.

When there was last a soldier's funeral in your area did you "Go eat dinner, see a movie, read something". I doubt if you think at all. Certainly the more you spew the easier it is to show mr.UNperfect you really are. You SIMPLY CANNOT WIN AN ARGUEMENT WHEN DEALING WITH GRIEF!!! That you do not know this shows that you are an empty shell. On this issue, 'Sean' would let me away with forum murder, but there's no need. But there's no need. There's enough emotion and logic on my side to wrap you up in a nice little bundle and leave you out for the binmen. I feel on this like the spider to the fly. Splat. Please come back at me. I'd love to give you a second lesson in humanity. "I think you wasted 98% of the time you dedicated to preparing that post." If the littlest thing that I could do would go anyway to saving a soldier's life then I would not consider my time wasted. There's no hope for you, so don't start now. It's certain that you would make a bad situation worse. "The sincerity of grief" are fine sounding words, but where's the action. If you pray, do you pray for an end to the war and less deaths or are you still praying for an impossible win and more innocent soldier deaths in an illegal war.

If there is something going on within your personal life that, if known, would make your attitude understandable, if not totally forgiveable, I would hope someone would have messaged me before I incited you forum murder. In the absence of such a message, I assume your post are guided by the same hypocritical, deceitful, unctuous attitude so common among the anti-Bush movement that, on the one hand causes you to feign sympathy and compassion for the American soldier and his family, and on the other to condemn him as a muderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests.

Spain's King Juan Carlos talks to Defence Minister Jose Bono during a funeral parade at Getafe airbase, near Madrid Funeral parade at the airbase. Two days of morning.

The size of, length of, and number of ceremonies are not the determinants of whether the soldier has been treated with the dignity he has earned.

[belverron]

I guess anyone who allows him- or herself to be indoctrinated into the American military should be resigned to no longer having any value as an individual.

[righthand]

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Thank you for replying. It's great fun having you back. Pity the subject isn't more pleasant for the rest of us.

Quote by: mr.perfecto "I will, of course, completely ignore the accusation of cowardice."

As I did not mention the word cowardice, I can only presume that you have a guilty conscious. Did I hit a sore nerve. what I wrote was

mr.perfecto and georgie porgy would get on very well together. Both are totally compassion-less bastards. It would not surprise me if mr.perfecto sat-out military service together. No man who served his country under fire could be so cruel.

Are you suggesting that georgie is a coward, too. I never suggested that's why he held up a bar for the duration of the war. I'm only answering this part of your reply as it leads very nicely on this next. It's my thoughts as to why your president does not do funerals. Being the expert you are on military matter, I'm sure you will comment.

1. BUSH DOES NOT HAVE A UNIFORM!!!

Image him turning up in that getup he had on for the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED PHOTO CALL on the aircraft carrier that had to do big circles while he got there. You do remember? He declared the war over before it started. After that performance, it would be hard to take him serious in uniform again.

He'd feel a bit naked with all the other brass with all their fiction medals. You tell us, is he allowed wear a fiction uniform?

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But what she encountered was an arrogant man with eyes lacking the slightest bit of compassion, a President totally "detached from humanity" and a man who didn’t even bother to remember her son’s name when they were first introduced. Instead of a kind gesture or a warm handshake, Sheehan said she immediately got a taste of Bush arrogance when he entered the room and "in a condescending tone and with a disgusting loud Texas accent," said: "Who we’all honorin’ here today?" "His mouth kept moving, but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all. This is a human being totally disconnected from humanity and reality. His eyes were empty, hollow shells and he was acting like I should be proud to just be in his presence when it was my son who died for his illegal war! It was one of the most disgusting experiences I ever had and it took me almost a year to even talk about it," said Sheehan in a telephone conversation from Washington D.C. where she was attending a July 4th anti-war rally. Sheehan said the June 2004 private meeting with the President went from bad to worse to a nightmare when Bush acted like he didn’t even want to know her name. She said Bush kept referring to her as ‘Ma’ or ‘Mom’ while he "put on a phony act," saying things like ‘Mom, I can’t even imagine losing a loved one, a mother or a father or a sister or a brother.’ "The whole meeting was simply bizarre and disgusting, designed to intimidate instead of providing compassion. He didn’t even know our names," said Sheehan. "Finally I got so upset I just looked him in the eye, saying ‘I think you can imagine losing someone. You have two daughters. Imagine losing them?’ After I said that he just looked at me, looked at me with no feeling or caring in his eyes at all."

I have commented before that this lady supplied all the reason why georgie DOES NOT DO FUNERALS. "detached from humanity" "Who we’all honorin’ here today?" he "put on a phony act," They cannot let him near a funeral. With that stupid leer and what comes out of his gob, how could they trust him. One day a grieving family member would kick him in the balls. {I'm disturbed listening to CNN Presents: DEAD WRONG at the moment}

Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch No.57 The most joyful moment in any person's life is the birth of their first born. This I know, being 40 when my first born arrived. The worst dread of anyone must be the dead of a child. Compound that by what factor in the case of a death in a war that many consider illegal. To my mind, there would be two opposing but normal reactions. 1. Do as Cindy Sheehan has done and give meaning to the child's death in trying to prevent other parents suffering the same. Not matter what your politics, you must accept that she has earned that right. The fact that she is particularly good at doing the latter in no way lessens that right. 2. Equally valid is the opposite parent reaction. For them to give meaning to their loss they become ardent supporters of the cause. That first reaction will usually define the rest of their lives. They are the people of simple faith in religious terms. They will not nor cannot question the causes, reason, length or anything of the war. They become the most loyal of loyal Americans. Their reaction is equally valid. Of the two, I would prefer if my reaction could be the second. Its a nice cocoon. Unfortunately, I know my reaction would be the first. The third option is madness.

Quote by: mr.perfecto No man who has honest love of his country and respect for his countrymen could wish to see the solemnization of the sacrifices and hardships of the American soldier turned into a three-ring circus.

Have you ever seen soldiers' funerals turned into a thee-ring circus. Could you give examples? You see I didn't see it as an opportunity for a photo call for the GOBSHITE. I was only considering the feelings of the families and their loss.

Quote by: mr.prefecto The size of, length of, and number of ceremonies are not the determinants of whether the soldier has been treated with the dignity he has earned

. Again, I'll remind you. The soldiers are DEAD. A person with feeling who suffered loss would know that it is the feeling of the families that count.

If there is something going on within your personal life that, if known, would make your attitude understandable, if not totally forgivable, I would hope someone would have messaged me before I incited you forum murder. In the absence of such a message, I assume your post are guided by the same hypocritical, deceitful, unctuous attitude so common among the anti-Bush movement that, on the one hand causes you to feign sympathy and compassion for the American soldier and his family, and on the other to condemn him as a murderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests.

Yes, you described georgie very well. Once more "condemn him as a murderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests". Are you sure you are not secretly batting for the good side. I could not have described georgie better. Your really one of these closet guys, aren't you. Go on, spill it out. You're secretly anti-bush. Maybe you don't know it yet. Please tell me more about my personal life. I know it is totally of thread, but you have such difficulty staying on track. I don't mind your personal insults. They are really very very immature. Does your mammy know that your still up. "before I incited you forum murder" I'm such you know what you meant to say, but... Anyway it will encourage you to have another go. I'm really enjoying toying with you, Mr.Imperfecto. I'm sure you won't mind me call you a slight soiled person.

I'm mindful of 'Sean's' gentle admonishment about not replying like god does. Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset 16 18

[GodBlessAmerica]

Belverron, your statement is totally insulting.

Americans (with the exceptions of the extreme left) love their troops, understand there is a job to do and totally respect the sacrafice all our soldiers make and made to liberate 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The accomplishment of soldiers in ending the mass graves of Saddam with nearly a million dead, the jailed children, the rape and torture rooms all ended are a tribute to President Bush and our troops.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica understand there is a job to do

What job is there to do in Iraq? Iraq didn't attack the US.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: bishop no... we don't.. we keep them there dying for bush's bogus war.. and besides the dead, there are some 10-14 thousand soldiers who've been wounded in one way or another.. that's a shitload of people imo.

Sounds like if we listened to you we’d all be running away and you could rename us FRANCE!.

President Bush and our troops have liberated over 50 million people, killed tens of thousands of radical terrorists and have stopped Saddam’s murder of about 100,000 of his own people a year in mass graves.
Just by removing Saddam, well over 200,000 innocent civilians are alive that would have died by now had we not been there.

During WW2 when we went after Japan, in only 82 days we had 20,000 troops captured alive and over 40,000 dead. The wounded were well into over 100,000.
I guess if you were around back then you would called for our troops to retreat!

Thank God the extreme left isn't taken serious by mainstream America.
The troops and President will do what is required and we will keep the radical Islamic fight mostly off our own soil. :-)

I can assure you we all love our troops and want them to be as safe as possible.
We also don't want enemies of America using the dead as propoganda to break the American will.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: |Chris| What job is there to do in Iraq? Iraq didn't attack the US.

Saddam was financing most all of the homicide bombing in Israel at 25k a bomb to the families of bombers.
He was defying sanctions for over 11 years.
He had training camps for terrorists there before and had been a haven for them.
He was destabilizing the Middle East and was killing over a 100,000 of his own people a year.
He was shooting at American Soldiers in the no-fly zone for almost a year.

We went in and found nearly a million dead in mass graves.
Rape and torture rooms.
Jailed children by the hundreds.

He also was illegally dealing with France, Germany and Russia in illegal deals for profit in violation of sanctions.

He had 11 years to fully cooperate with the UN and in the last few years started financing the terror in Israel and that was it.

[mr.perfecto]

Quote by: righthand As I did not mention the word cowardice, I can only presume that you have a guilty conscious. Did I hit a sore nerve. what I wrote was Are you suggesting that georgie is a coward, too. I never suggested that's why he held up a bar for the duration of the war. I'm only answering this part of your reply as it leads very nicely on this next. It's my thoughts as to why your president does not do funerals. Being the expert you are on military matter, I'm sure you will comment. 1. BUSH DOES NOT HAVE A UNIFORM!!! Image him turning up in that getup he had on for the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED PHOTO CALL on the aircraft carrier that had to do big circles while he got there. You do remember? He declared the war over before it started. After that performance, it would be hard to take him serious in uniform again. He'd feel a bit naked with all the other brass with all their fiction medals. You tell us, is he allowed wear a fiction uniform?

Your tone is and was without a doubt insulting and there is no one honest who will read what you wrote and come to a conclusion other than the one I did.

Have you ever seen soldiers' funerals turned into a thee-ring circus.

No I haven't, but isn't that why you are upset with the President? His refusal to allow the funerals to become such..

Could you give examples? You see I didn't see it as an opportunity for a photo call for the GOBSHITE. I was only considering the feelings of the families and their loss.. Again, I'll remind you. The soldiers are DEAD. A person with feeling who suffered loss would know that it is the feeling of the families that count.

Certainly the feelings of the family counts, but it is not the only consideration or even the main consideration.. The primary purpose of a funeral is to honor the soldier. The wishes of the family are respected, but only so long as they are not unreasonable. For instance, if your son were a deceased soldier and you wanted to decline some of the honors and make your own arrangements, they would probably be respected; however, the government isn't going to provide your son with his own pyramid and a billion dollars worth of gold treasures to comfort him in the afterlife. Regardless of how much you think he deserves it.

Yes, you described georgie very well. Once more "condemn him as a murderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests". Are you sure you are not secretly batting for the good side. I could not have described georgie better. Your really one of these closet guys, aren't you. Go on, spill it out. You're secretly anti-bush. Maybe you don't know it yet. Please tell me more about my personal life. I know it is totally of thread, but you have such difficulty staying on track. I don't mind your personal insults. They are really very very immature. Does your mammy know that your still up. "before I incited you forum murder" I'm such you know what you meant to say, but... Anyway it will encourage you to have another go. I'm really enjoying toying with you, Mr.Imperfecto. I'm sure you won't mind me call you a slight soiled person.

Like I said, you wasted 98% of your time. I would tell you to have a stiff drink and then go straight to bed, but I doubt you've reach legal age to consume such beverages.

[belverron]

Belverron, your statement is totally insulting.

Asking that our dead soldiers be honored as individuals rather than condemning them to mass martyrdom is not an insult.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Saddam was financing most all of the homicide bombing in Israel at 25k a bomb to the families of bombers.

so how is israel the u.s.?

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica He had training camps for terrorists there before and had been a haven for them.

out of his control of course.

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica He was defying sanctions for over 11 years. He had training camps for terrorists there before and had been a haven for them. He was destabilizing the Middle East and was killing over a 100,000 of his own people a year. He was shooting at American Soldiers in the no-fly zone for almost a year. We went in and found nearly a million dead in mass graves. Rape and torture rooms. Jailed children by the hundreds. He also was illegally dealing with France, Germany and Russia in illegal deals for profit in violation of sanctions. He had 11 years to fully cooperate with the UN and in the last few years started financing the terror in Israel and that was it.

he did not attack the u.s. enough to warrant a full scale invasion. care to try again?

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Thank God the extreme left isn't taken serious by mainstream America.

thank god the extreme right isnt taken seriously either.

[righthand]

righthand I never suggested that's why he held up a bar for the duration of the war. I'm only answering this part of your reply as it leads very nicely on this next. It's my thoughts as to why your president does not do funerals. Being the expert you are on military matter, I'm sure you will comment 1. BUSH DOES NOT HAVE A UNIFORM!!! Image him turning up in that getup he had on for the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED PHOTO CALL on the aircraft carrier that had to do big circles while he got there. You do remember? He declared the war over before it started. After that performance, it would be hard to take him serious in uniform again. He'd feel a bit naked with all the other brass with all their fiction medals. You tell us, is he allowed wear a fiction uniform? . mr.perfecto Your tone is and was without a doubt insulting and there is no one honest who will read what you wrote and come to a conclusion other than the one I did.

You can call it what you like and you can be as insulted as much as you like but answer the question. The written word does not convey my tone and my tone does remotely convey how I feel about georgie. I find it most difficult to put georgie and president of the United States in the same sentence. I have/did have such high regard for one and such TOTAL DISRESPECT for the other.

righthand So, how would you stop the War? post 41If bush was assassinated tomorrow I would not shed one tear, but I'd need first to be sure that Cheney was not then president. Frying pan to fire is nothing to how much worse that it would be. So, I'll be hoping that dick gets his first before that most hated man in the world gets his. I don't expect to be lucky once never mind twice. But just so that I've explained my agenda. Those pair of bollocks can destroy my world.

righthand Post43 The only alternative is that on TWO occasions you have 'elected' the BIGGEST GOBSHITE in History. Yes there have been Big Gobshites before, but not elect by 'all' the people. If he does not know that he's lying then he's brain dead. His handlers must tell him before every briefing "Please, please please don't mention Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence." Maybe they should try some reverse psychology, but that needs a function brain to work. Regan had al least the excuse of old age. Bush is just a dumb young man, you choose.

1. DOES BUSH HAVE A UNIFORM!!! Simple question for the second time.

DOES THE COMMANDER-in-CHIEF HAVE ANYTHING BETTER than that getup he had on for the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED PHOTO CALL on the aircraft carrier. You do remember? He declared the war over before it started. After that performance, it would be hard to take him serious in uniform again.

mr.perfecto I assume your post are guided by the same hypocritical, deceitful, unctuous attitude so common among the anti-Bush movement that, on the one hand causes you to feign sympathy and compassion for the American soldier and his family, and on the other to condemn him as a murderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests.

righthand Yes, you described georgie very well. Once more "condemn him as a murderous, barbaric, neurotic in the service of demonic corporate interests". Are you sure you are not secretly batting for the good side. I could not have described georgie better. Your really one of these closet guys, aren't you. Go on, spill it out. You're secretly anti-bush. Maybe you don't know it yet. Please tell me more about my personal life. I know it is totally of thread, but you have such difficulty staying on track. I don't mind your personal insults. They are really very very immature. "before I incited you forum murder" I'm such you know what you meant to say, but... Anyway it will encourage you to have another go. I'm really enjoying toying with you.

mr.perfecto]Like I said, you wasted 98% of your time. I would tell you to have a stiff drink and then go straight to bed, but I doubt you've reach legal age to consume such beverages.

That does not quite answer my simple question? Are you a closet bush-hater?

righthand If you pray, do you pray for an end to the war and less deaths or are you still praying for an impossible win and more innocent soldier deaths in an illegal war.

You choose not to answer. I'm hoping you are praying to save soldiers lives.

Then you choose to ignore anything this lady said of her meeting with gorgie. Do you BELIEVE HER??? I can tell with with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, This LADY will be remembered fondly long long after gorgie has finished his stretch inside. I'm sure she reminds you of someone that you know.

righthand post 47 Now here's the thing. Most, say 80%, of those listening to georgie believe now that he is lying. Your dissecting of this to a 'beyond reasonable doubt' doesn't matter. What people hear and believe is what's important. So the more time he bullshits and people don't believe him, then the shorter will be his days. The multitude of untruths is what will matter. Remember "well my proof that BUSH IS A LIER is the same as the above God thing" above. Why the SCUTTERS are lashing out at Cindy Sheehan is because they are really really hurting about how their 'hero' has let them down so badly. They lash out at the messenger. Shades of prophet in your own land. Hers might be a damp squib but equally it could snowball. Nobody else seems to be doing much! posted 08-13-05, 09:44 pm

righthand On the main point of his meeting with the reporters he said: "The sacrifice of so much American blood would be in vain if we don't spill more American blood." A Cheney translation of this was: The OIL is not flowing yet, but if we stick at it the rewards will be huge!! Another translation was: More Americans to die defending US freedoms in Iraq. As a parting comment, he was asked had he any thing good to say about Cindy Sheehan. It's reported that he said: "We sent the wrong catholic bitch into space." This didn't need translation, but a spokes person said that everyone heard the president wrong and that he welcomed their safe return from Mars posting 34.

mr.perfectoI would tell you to have a stiff drink and then go straight to bed, but I doubt you've reach legal age to consume such beverages.

Another elementary mistake. As they say in the best court room dramas "Never ask the witness a question that you don't know the answer to". So your "but I doubt you've reach legal age to consume such beverages" like so many other of your points was wrong. Like after a big bust up, I feel after the mauling you have taken that I can be more than magnanimous and tell you my age. If you had followed my posting you wold know that I have two teenage kids. Further I recently disclosed that I was 40 when my first was born. From my profile you would have seen that I was born on Christmas day. Missing only was the year, 1948. Happy now. Yes, nearly an old man. And someone who was very happy with life until a certain MADMAN invaded Iraq, destroying the equilibrium of a previously peaceful world. I only hope that I live long enought to see him getting his.

[bishop]

any wmd's? nope.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: belverron Asking that our dead soldiers be honored as individuals rather than condemning them to mass martyrdom is not an insult.

That again is insulting and not true at all.

We love our troops.
When there is a death, there is loving care taken in the return and services of these heroes who gave their life. If the families want to invite the press to these individual services, they are welcome to.
You hardly see pictures of the dead or of services because most families wanted privacy and respect for their dead family, not to have them become propaganda for leftists.

Accusing the actions of troops fighting for our freedom and the freedom of those they liberated as being acts leading to mass martyrdom is rude, inaccurate, inflammatory and disrespectful to all soldiers.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: |Chris| so how is israel the u.s.?

I guess you approve of the slaughter of the Jews as well as the million or so innocent dead Iraqis in mass graves.
We are obligated by treaty to defend Israel under certain situations, Saddam was training lots of terrorists in his country and some if not most had intent on doing damage to the United States. Plus he may NOT shoot at American soldiers for a year.

Quote by: |Chris| he did not attack the u.s. enough to warrant a full scale invasion. care to try again?

He attacked our troops who were carrying out sanctions. Do YOU want to try again.
Plus he was a known threat to us and that whole Middle Eastern area. He already had the nerve to try after these sanctions were in place to try and assasinate an ex President.