Republican Party Principles=Doodley Squat

[Cephus]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Conservatives also believe in funding a war when they need to.

Except the fact that this war was totally unnecessary and a complete waste of time and money. It's just Bush's ridiculous crusade against someone who made his daddy look bad.

[PatrickHenry]

Can we stay on topic, here? GBA, attacking the previous president doesn't help you establish how Republican "principles" do anything for America. So stop hijacking the thread and tell us how Republicans are shrinking government and its intrusive presence in our lives.

[bishop]

they aren't shrinking government whatsoever.. they're growing it, minimizing civil liberties, putting us DEEP in debt, etc... what we've seen from GBA is the voice of an apologist who cozies up to the apologies of other apologists.. not surprising. just another rino.

[GodBlessAmerica]

So Cephus,
Which of Saddam's hundreds of mass graves were your favorites?
Did you instead have a preference for him paying for the murder of Jews in Israel at 25k a bomb or was it the jailed children along with the rape and torture rooms that gave you this soft spot for Saddam?

[GodBlessAmerica]

PH, if you don' t want people to comment on behaviors and what Republicans do compared to other administations that establish what Republican Party Principles are and have been, then why did you ever start this thread?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica why did you ever start this thread?

Do you understand the difference between negative campaigning and a positive campaign? Between trumpeting your values and slinging mud? Your assignment, should you choose to accept, is to say what Republican principles are doing for America as a practical matter. My assignment will be to show that Republicans have no principles to speak of and only follow what is expedient. Does that clarify? I don't feel I need to defend the Democratic Party, since I think they are completely disorganized and wrongheaded anyhow. I despise them, too, but that is for another thread. Republican values are on the spot here.

I had hoped to have this discussion last year but the Republican who offered to debate then found other things more pressing and didn't live up to his promise: Kick a card-carrying Republican in the nuts

[PatrickHenry]

I believe the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.

So how is Republican policy limiting the proliferation of Government? This statement is a complete fraud.

[belverron]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica So Cephus, Which of Saddam's hundreds of mass graves were your favorites? Did you instead have a preference for him paying for the murder of Jews in Israel at 25k a bomb or was it the jailed children along with the rape and torture rooms that gave you this soft spot for Saddam?

False dichotomy. Opposing the war is not the same as supporting Saddam.

[PatrickHenry]

Why are the Republicans such fraudsters? http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/rssstory...litics/3316980

A Washington lobbyist is organizing a golf fundraiser for the secretive fund that is paying for the legal defense for two of US House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's political associates who have been indicted on charges of illegally using corporate money to influence Texas elections in 2002. Jim Ellis, who runs DeLay's Americans for a Republican Majority, and John Colyandro, the executive director of Texans for a Republican Majority, were indicted last year by a Travis County grand jury on charges of violating state election law and money laundering. TRMPAC's treasurer, Bill Ceverha, lost a civil lawsuit earlier this year in which losing Democrats accused the political action committee of illegally raising corporate money and not reporting it on the committee's disclosure filings with the Texas Ethics Commission. Since last year's indictments, Ellis and Colyandro have had their legal bills paid for by a trust that does not disclose the names of donors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081801989.html

The Federal Election Commission yesterday fined Westar Energy Inc., two former corporate officers and the firm's lobbyist a total of $40,500 for their roles in channeling contributions to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) and other Republicans. Westar, a Kansas energy company, was fined $20,000; it admitted in a conciliation agreement that it violated campaign laws by engaging "on two separate occasions in the practice of facilitating corporate contributions to candidates for federal office." Corporations are barred from contributing to federal campaigns.

[Monorprise]

Quote by: Cephus Except the fact that this war was totally unnecessary and a complete waste of time and money. It's just Bush's ridiculous crusade against someone who made his daddy look bad.

So this is your Unilateral conclusion? Tell me what real evidence is it based upon?
Also how did Saddam Hussein in anyway make George H.W. Bush look bad?
Additional who are you to say with your "Vast Tactical experiences” that the War in Iraq was totally unnecessary? And therefore impose that “conclusion” as if it is fact upon the rest of us, with no actual evidences to back it up?

For record:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...egy-edit_x.htm

Just because “you don’t see the connection” doesn’t mean others don’t!
I for one see it very loud and clear, yelling at the top if its lungs, Iraq was a terrorist supporting state that had to be taken out 1 way or anther, and waiting anther 12 years to do the same runaround we did last time, wasn’t going to do anybody any good, especial the Iraqi people.
Whether or not you personal agree with that assent of mine, is really besides the point, the point is the vast majority of our top military commanders do, and most importantly, our elected Commander and chief who’s Constitutional, and informed job is to make theses choices does agree with this view!
So what ever wild and crazy parodied conspiracy theories you want to come up with to justify your extremely paranoid and hateful view of this whole effort, that’s fine. To be honest with you I’m sick and tied of hearing liberal’s “conspiracy theories” as their all based on the basic un-provable assumption of the president’s intentions.
Personal I feel a man, any man, whether he be the president, or anyone else deserves the benefit of the doubt as to his intentions, until you have good rational reason to believe other wise.

But to be quite frank with you, if Bush is in fact as the left has always contended dumb as an ape, how could he possible be smart enough to pull off successfully half the things you accuse him of, plotting? How could he have correctly chosen’s his aid’s if they are behind all this? And most importantly, what is the likelihood of this entire vast ring of basically un-provable conspiracies being even remotely true?

The point I want to remind each of you, is the foundation of sanctity, is the basic trust that allows us to live our life’s, and the more you dabble into this that cannot be proven, as is based upon the fundamentally negative assumption of a person. The more you contradict your own view of the dictators and the rest of the world. If men indeed are evil, and have the capacity to have evil intentions, then I would as a reasonable person rather air on the side of the evil I know, and whom my people have elected, than the evil whom I have no say what so ever in the conduct of at any point, and whom I do not know! But the bottom line once again to being sane is the basic trust of the instructions and reality that we do know. With out which, there is no civilization, nor is their humanity, nor is there any point that exist beyond the length of what we do trust, and believe in!

[bishop]

no doubt, bush couldn't have gone about things any differently. he just HAD TO... i mean, we would've been hit by some iraqi wmd's in al qaeda's hands any day, and we just couldn't take that chance. so what if we didn't have the support we needed? so what if iraq has become a cesspool of terrorism? i can't see anything but good behind these rose-colored lenses. :)

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Monorprise If men indeed are evil, and have the capacity to have evil intentions, then I would as a reasonable person rather air on the side of the evil I know, and whom my people have elected, than the evil whom I have no say what so ever in the conduct of at any point, and whom I do not know!

And this relates to the Republican Party principles in what practical way? You guys stop hijacking this thread to talk about war and Democrats and every other effen thing besides how the damn Republicans have any principles. Maybe its just "smoke and mirrors" 'cause nobody else can see how the GOP has any principles either.

[PatrickHenry]

Republicans learn young that principles count for squat in their organization.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082305C.shtml
Republican scumbags at work!!

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101905Z.shtml
Sidney Schanberg:

What I find fascinating is that we're about to learn what happens when you bamboozle the public with empty words and false image - instead of trusting them with the truth, or something close to it. So then it becomes a game wrapped in a hoax - and the only goal is to get elected, not do what's good for the country. And with a war, lots of people die. There's got to be some penalty for "leaders" who play that game - perhaps something more than a permanent blot on their record.

[SteveA]

Most everything people accused Democrats of trying to do, the Republicans (at least at the federal level) did one better.

I noticed the Republican platform in Texas has been watered down a lot over time. As things have shifted further to the left under Bush, they've had to rewrite it so that it doesn't show too many blatant disagreements.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: SteveA the Republican platform in Texas has been watered down a lot over time.

At one point in recent the past it called for an end to the State of Emergency...

Now Senator Schumer questions why Bush was angry about the handling of the leak, but not about exposing Plame as a CIA undercover operative: http://schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWeb...0WH%20Leak.pdf
Does Bush have any character at all? Answer: No, he's just a partisan Republican...

[LetThereBe]

I don't know if I would consider myself a Bush supporter, but I do think Republican isn't too far from the mark. I'm certainly conservative. I support lower taxes and smaller government, something generally associated with the Repubs. Too bad the father of our party was Abe Lincoln, one of the worst presidents this country has seen. He suspended habeas corpus!

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: LetThereBe lower taxes and smaller government, something generally associated with the Repubs.

That was years ago...

[LetThereBe]

Quote by: PatrickHenry That was years ago...

true, but my views havn't changed.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: LetThereBe my views havn't changed.

Me too, my brother. The Republican Party moved toward big government in a big way. If you are like me, you are likely more of a libertarian/constitutionalist, now...