Memorial to Troops Killed in Iraq Is Vandalized in Texas

[RickSp]

Memorial to Troops Killed in Iraq Is Vandalized in Texas

Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, who has set up a vigil near President Bush's ranch here, said today that she was "very disturbed" that hundreds of small crosses bearing the names of dead American troops had been knocked down, and that her now 10-day protest was "only the beginning" of national movement to bring all American forces home from the war.

Interesting commentary on the pro-War types that a small memorial to those who have died in Iraq would be vandalized. One grieving mother who dares to speak truth to power is under constant attack, including being called a traitor by Bill O'Rielly.

And in the mean time the president, on vacation, says we should keep to "the plan" when it is clear he doesn't have one. And the number of American dead in Iraq now stands at 1856 and climbing with no end in sight.

[Chris]

Quote by: RickSp One grieving mother who dares to speak truth to power is under constant attack, including being called a traitor by Bill O'Rielly.

That is appaling. I lost all respect for him long ago and this only confirms that he is nothing but a **** (I better not say)

[YourTokah]

Regardless of what a person believes about the right or wrongness of the war, it is not the fault of the troops. Those boys and girls took an oath to obey the commander in chief and will go to JAIL if they don't go to Iraq. You know they could be shot as traitors if they didn't fight? They are dying by scores and Prez Bush is an absolute idiot who got himself (and our troops) into a place that he can't successfully pull them out of without creating more problems for the Iraqis and ultimately for us. I think we need a purely isolationist policy. We defend ourselves and THAT's it. Our aid to others will only be charitable, not military. Because that's how he's trying to justify it now, as aiding the oppressed Iraqis in setting up their own government and security forces. Blah blah fucking BLAH! I get so angry and remain so helpless. Good luck CINDY!!!!!

[Alive]

I don't see how one single individual can possibly be considered to represent the entire populace of "Pro-War types." Yeah, there are idiots everywhere. We've always known this.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Alive I don't see how one single individual can possibly be considered to represent the entire populace of "Pro-War types." Yeah, there are idiots everywhere. We've always known this.

There are legions of right-wing bloggers who have been attacking Cindy Sheehan day and night as well as the cable news talking heads like O'Reilly, Hanratty, Crowley and the rest who all try to show how she is deranged, misguided or a stooge of Michael Moore. Then there is the good old boy who drove over the memorial crosses with his pickup truck. I think of them as having a lot in common, different styles perhaps, but not so different in the end.

[Alive]

Quote by: RickSp There are legions of right-wing bloggers who have been attacking Cindy Sheehan day and night as well as the cable news talking heads like O'Reilly, Hanratty, Crowley and the rest who all try to show how she is deranged, misguided or a stooge of Michael Moore.

If they think this, why shouldn't they say this? Why should being the mother of a dead soldier give you immunity; if you enter the political realm, you open yourself to political attacks. It's a good life policy to not say controversial things if you don't want people to express their disagreement with you.

The person who drove over the crosses was going over the line of political debate; the rest were not.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Alive The person who drove over the crosses was going over the line of political debate; the rest were not.

Personally I find the redneck in the pickup truck less offensive than O'Reilly calling Cindy a traitor. But that is just me.

[Alive]

Quote by: RickSp Personally I find the redneck in the pickup truck less offensive than O'Reilly calling Cindy a traitor. But that is just me.

Its just politcs; politics from her and politics from him. I find the fact that she's using her dead son for political purposes to be equally offensive as O'Reilly calling her a traitor. That is; not at all, all of it is just irrational sillyness and it always has been. Neither Cindy's "traitorness" nor her position as the mother of a dead soldier has anything to do with whether we should continue the war in Iraq. This is all a complete irrelevency.

[righthand]

Quote by: YourTokah Regardless of what a person believes about the right or wrongness of the war, it is not the fault of the troops. Those boys and girls took an oath to obey the commander in chief and will go to JAIL if they don't go to Iraq. You know they could be shot as traitors if they didn't fight? They are dying by scores and Prez Bush is an absolute idiot who got himself (and our troops) into a place that he can't successfully pull them out of without creating more problems for the Iraqis and ultimately for us. I think we need a purely isolationist policy. We defend ourselves and THAT's it. Our aid to others will only be charitable, not military. Because that's how he's trying to justify it now, as aiding the oppressed Iraqis in setting up their own government and security forces. Blah blah fucking BLAH! I get so angry and remain so helpless. Good luck CINDY!!!!!

"We defend ourselves and THAT's it." I'm anti war - check me out, but we need a big bad or good policeman to keep peace in the world. Now none of this will happen as long as georgie porgy and his ilk are in power. So this is just supposing.

First. The Threat. The threat of 'shock and awe' if far more effective than the use. Threaten through a neutral body but be prepared to go in. Air power alone will often be all that's required. The US have the best shock troops although pretty useless at winning peace.

Second. Learn diplomacy that is not threatening. The english at the best at this. They ran a world empire with virtually no size military power except a navy. They won far more through diplomacy than their army. Americans don't do diplomacy.

Third. Retrain. The need of an entire army of shock troops is redundant now. Training has not changed. Retire all armchair/TV officers pronto. Get real officers back in charge. If you wish to have troops abroad, retrain as peacekeepers.

Fourth. Iraq. WITHDRAW ALL WHITE CHRISTAN TROOPS. ALL MUSLIN TROOPS IN. Its Indians, Pakistani, Indonesia, Central Asians Stans, UK Muslims, North African, Central African, anywhere that is NOT white nor Christan. Pay them WELL to the job, you'll still be getting off dirt cheap. They wear any uniform they want but are lead by their own officers. Big bonuses for achieving goals. Guarantee no US troops go back in. Not only would it solve Iraq but it will dissipate terrorist threats in the US. The US fights the wrong fight ALWAYS to gain peace. Peace cannot be gained by brute force or terror tactics. As an Irishman I resent it but UK troops are at least twice as good as yours at winning the peace!

{9 days ago} At this moment there is a lady who lost her son camping close to georgie's ranch of ill-repute. It will not bring her son back but I'd bet she would get some comfort if she could save other mothers suffering like her. How many are down supporting her. How are you glorious media dealing with this. Is she a misguided demented female? Why is America not on the move. If it is why is the media not reporting it. A few stones though glass front is a lot better value than lives. Where is American soul? Have you any bal*s left. Pass a law making it mandatory that the commander-in-chief attend every dead soldier's funeral, who dies on duty. That would keep him out of harms way. 08-10-05, 02:06 am more

[RickSp]

Quote by: Alive Its just politcs; politics from her and politics from him. I find the fact that she's using her dead son for political purposes to be equally offensive as O'Reilly calling her a traitor. That is; not at all, all of it is just irrational sillyness and it always has been. Neither Cindy's "traitorness" nor her position as the mother of a dead soldier has anything to do with whether we should continue the war in Iraq. This is all a complete irrelevency.

As the father of two sons, for whom I will do everything in my power to prevent from being cannon fodder in King George's ugly little war, I find nothing offensive about Cindy's courage in trying to prevent other mothers from suffering as she has suffered. I think her loss in a needless war is anything but irrelevant.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Snicker snicker.

The crocodile tears are flowing, save the watches fast!

Cindy Sheehan is a liar, her husbands divorcing her over this, her family has come out against her actions as deplorable and demeaning to her sons memory...

and you guys whine about "crosses" set up by people that cheer on the terrorist.

Amazing stuff. Shouldn't this be in the Political Humor section of the forum?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wait wait, where was the ACLU and thier lawyers? She's in a ditch, on public land.. what were CROSSES doing on PUBLIC LAND? Damn that woman, doesn't she know someone might think that allowing those crosses was promotion of religion???

[Alive]

Quote by: RickSp As the father of two sons, for whom I will do everything in my power to prevent from being cannon fodder in King George's ugly little war, I find nothing offensive about Cindy's courage in trying to prevent other mothers from suffering as she has suffered. I think her loss in a needless war is anything but irrelevant.

If the war is beneficial, then her loss is a drop in the bucket compared to the total gain from the war. If the war is harmful, then her loss is just a miniscule part of the overall harm from the war. Either way, it is virtually irrelevent. There is nothing about losing her son that makes Cindy more qualified to judge the validity of the war than anyone else.

[Matt W]

and you guys whine about "crosses" set up by people that cheer on the terrorist

Are you deliberately misreading things here, Mr.V? This topic is about the vandalism of a war memorial. Is that so hard to understand? Do you not want to remember the soldiers dying in Iraq?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Matt, don't be niave. These were crosses set up by Sheehan in her Ditch by her political handlers to make her look all the mor ehte tragic victim.

And this nut drives his truck over them.

War Memorials are something generally associated with Arlington, or have some semblance permanancy. The Wall in DC for example.

Her family has disavowed her actions, her husband is divorcing her, and she went from saying how wonderful her ACTUAL MEETING with Bush was to saying (and so far she's flying solo on this one) how he used the meeting to get votes, acted like a frat boy at a party and was clueless and inconsiderate of others feelings and wouldn't listen to anyone.


Know what that picture is, It's GWB kissing Cindy during their first meeting. He sure is uncaring.

[GodBlessAmerica]

I think the propoganda crosses were knocked down by a guy who should have lef them alone and let them do their own thing.
This is the first time I"ve seen the left desire to have crosses around. Usually they are working to remove crosses and God from everywhere.

So, was this memorial there before this propoganda started or is this not a memorial, but in fact propganda crosses?
If the crosses were there before the woman, I'll believe that was a "MEMORIAL" of some type, if they were erected during this protest, then they are obviously props for the press to see.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio and you guys whine about "crosses" set up by people that cheer on the terrorist.

About as despicable and as hateful of those who died in this evil war as I would expect from one such a yourself Mr. V. I do think you may have hit a new low. Congratulations.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica If the crosses were there before the woman, I'll believe that was a "MEMORIAL" of some type, if they were erected during this protest, then they are obviously props for the press to see.

So the mother of a soldier who died for George Bush has no right to be part of a memorial to the dead? And Carl Rove and the others of his ilk aren't spending all their time, at least when not outing CIA agents, attempting to manipulate the press?

Sometimes basic patriotism requires standing up and saying "no" to the corrupt, powerful and vacationing.

[GodBlessAmerica]

What part of this war do you RickSp consider evil?
I hope mean the terrorist and the dictator that good people have been freeing people of.

In Iraq you had a mad dictator 11 years in defiance of sanctions who had children jailed, torture and rape rooms, mass graves with hundreds of thousands dead in piles.
Saddam was killing 100k a year and in the time since our troops have been there, we've prevented the deaths of another 200,000 people and have given freedom to over 50 million people.

God bless crosses, especially when not used by terrorist-enabling anti-war protestors. God Bless our troops, President and all of America.

These anti-war goofs are what caused Vietnam to go to the communist after America had won every battle. Like a cancer, the anti war people did the work of the communists to break down the will of the American people to finish the job. Shame on them always and all the extra death they caused there as well.

These protests only embolden terrorists to create more body bags from our soldiers. They make terrorist want to fight harder and I am sure this shill of a woman has even appeared on Al Jazerra by now as inspiration for the radical terrorists against our soldiers.

[Matt W]

So you're against freedom of speech, 'GodBless'?