Memorial to Troops Killed in Iraq Is Vandalized in Texas

[GodBlessAmerica]

She is not a reflection of her son's views at all.

This woman to me appears to be suffering some kind of mental breakdown, and in addition, she has had tax leans on her since 1996, so she has had some real problems long before her son's death.

Meanwhile pretty much her whole family have come out and said she is an embarrassment to them.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Matt, she is totally free to speak and anybody in the world is totally free to reply, right?

[Matt W]

Indeed she is - I'm just basing my comment on this:

These anti-war goofs are what caused Vietnam to go to the communist after America had won every battle. Like a cancer, the anti war people did the work of the communists to break down the will of the American people to finish the job. Shame on them always and all the extra death they caused there as well. These protests only embolden terrorists to create more body bags from our soldiers. They make terrorist want to fight harder and I am sure this shill of a woman has even appeared on Al Jazerra by now as inspiration for the radical terrorists against our soldiers.

Do you think it's right and proper for a democracy/republic to have public debate, especially regarding incidents that send its' citizens into danger?

[Chris]

Quote by: RickSp There are legions of right-wing bloggers who have been attacking Cindy Sheehan day and night as well as the cable news talking heads like O'Reilly, Hanratty, Crowley and the rest who all try to show how she is deranged, misguided or a stooge of Michael Moore.

Another reason I am not a conservative any more. These mindless idiots just tote the party line.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica What part of this war do you RickSp consider evil? I hope mean the terrorist and the dictator that good people have been freeing people of.

I might buy the nonsense about removing Saddam, the evil monster, if Saddam hadn't been our ally, specifically being given military and diplomatic aid by Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney. I have no doubt Saddam was a horrible dictator. And Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney were co-conspirators at the very least.

So now we have killed tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, killed or maimed another fifteen thousand or so American troops, devastated a country, provided the Islamists with a training ground that Bush's CIA says will be worse than Afghanistan ever was. The Pentagon has given up trying to win miltiarily. The best we may be able to hope for is an unstable Islamic republic and even that may be too optimistic. And we are pouring hundreds of billions of tax dollars down a Mesopotpian rat hole. What part of this war isn't evil?

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica These anti-war goofs are what caused Vietnam to go to the communist after America had won every battle. Like a cancer, the anti war people did the work of the communists to break down the will of the American people to finish the job. Shame on them always and all the extra death they caused there as well. These protests only embolden terrorists to create more body bags from our soldiers. They make terrorist want to fight harder and I am sure this shill of a woman has even appeared on Al Jazerra by now as inspiration for the radical terrorists against our soldiers.

The Nazis claimed that the German army did not lose WWI, but instead that the domestic enemies "stabbed" the army " in the back". Now the nitwit conservatives have picked up the Nazi line. Half a million troops, 60,000 American dead in an eight year war, but no, the US didn't lose the war in Vietnam. It was Jane Fonda's fault. The simple idiocy of the claim is mind boggling.

So sure GBA, the problem is not that we have blundered into a war that we cannot win in a region that we do not understand. The problem is that Americans don't shut-up and follow orders. Yah that's it. We should lock up anyone who doesn't salute and shut-up. Sure.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica This woman to me appears to be suffering some kind of mental breakdown, and in addition, she has had tax leans on her since 1996, so she has had some real problems long before her son's death.

This is quite sick and appaling to me. Why would you even care about digging up her past? She is a grieving mother. Why can't you right wingers just shut up and be human just for once?

[GodBlessAmerica]

Matt, at that time (Vietnam) there wasn't a proper voice against these communist enabling activist. Today, and in the future they will be outted at ever turn and will be defeated.

It's a different world today compated to then regarding answering these goofs, thank God.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Chris, don't get bent out of shape with bloggers, they are basically anybody who can type and post a web page.
They are not a big deal and get very little exposure.

[Matt W]

Really? What about that period of McCarthyism where anyone remotely suspected of left-wing sympathies was denounced as a 'Commie'?

[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Matt, at that time (Vietnam) there wasn't a proper voice against these communist enabling activist. Today, and in the future they will be outted at ever turn and will be defeated. It's a different world today compated to then regarding answering these goofs, thank God.

Communist enabling activists? Is that the very best you can do? And now anyone who doesn't salute the mad king is a supporter of terrorists, no doubt? You are beggining to sound like a running joke.

Already most Americans are getting tired of being lied to by fools. 60% already say the war in Iraq wasn't worsth it. The same percentage say that Bush isn't truthful. Patriotic Americans are just beginning to stand up and say "no" to the neocons madness.

[righthand]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica These anti-war goofs are what caused Vietnam to go to the communist after America had won every battle. Like a cancer, the anti war people did the work of the communists to break down the will of the American people to finish the job. Shame on them always and all the extra death they caused there as well. These protests only embolden terrorists to create more body bags from our soldiers. They make terrorist want to fight harder and I am sure this shill of a woman has even appeared on Al Jazerra by now as inspiration for the radical terrorists against our soldiers.

This was dealt with before. Napoleon could claim to have won the battle of Borodino (August 26), 1812 or at worst a draw, there's no doubt that it cost him the war. Winning battles does not win the war. British forces were famous for losing ever battle except the last one. Although it may be late in you realising it, but YOU LOST IN VIETNAM. The smart thing would be to not continue drawing attention to it. Do you thing you might do the smart thing.

This has been dealt with on this Forum. Please get up to speed by reading or searching before putting your foot in it. I hate little short scutters, but I need to got to the bank shortly. I'll gladly expand on topic and explain scutters if you cannot search for it.

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[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Chris, don't get bent out of shape with bloggers, they are basically anybody who can type and post a web page. They are not a big deal and get very little exposure.

Heh. No I am not bent out of shape. I am just glad I am not a mindless idiot anymore who just says something because thats what Sean Hannity believes or Rush Limbaugh. Its those same bloggers who are also people such as yourself. Who are nothing more than kool aid drinkers for the right. Can't we be human? Who give a shit if Michael Moore is "using" her? Do you think he could be "using" her for a good reason? He disagrees with the war probably because he is upset about how Bush set us up for this war under false pretenses, and thousands are dying because of it. You chose "God Bless America" as your user name but your stance doesn't help America it damages it.

[GodBlessAmerica]

RickSp,
Yep, Saddam was a former military partner who was at one time on our side who was fighting Iran saving us all of our soldiers.
As with Osama Bin Laden who was also once aligned with us against Russia in Afghanistan, they went down a whole other road after our mutual interests were concluded and you can never predict if an ally will turn into a monster or not.
We've had lots of other relationships around the world where such people didn't turn out bad at all like this. It is what it is and you can't read their minds or predict the future.

I'm sure some innocent people were killed as we got to tens of thousands of Saddam's special forces and terrorist insurgents in Iraq, but we are still hundreds of thousands of lives ahead of the game compared to if we never went in.

There is nothing evil from our side, we are going after Satan’s misfits there and it does cost a small fortune.
I guess had the last President took Bin Laden when offered several times him after Saddam declared war on America, we'd maybe never had a war.
Had that same administration not blocked terror cell information from the FBI, more than likely we'd never even have had a 9/11.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../2005815issues

I don't recall by the way, any anti-war Nazis protesting anywhere in Germany. They did NOT have FREE speech to do such things in Germany like the communist enabling anti-war protestors did in America.

The Middle East respects power. It's a culture that stated they want us all dead if we don't convert to Islam. We have to deal with that and can not never fight that battle, for to do so brings that battle to our soil more than it needs to be.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Allowing the leftists to rant unopposed allowed them to turn Vietnam over to the communist. The leftists were allowed to eat at the will of the American people to fight.

That will NEVER happen again, so feel relieved.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: RickSp About as despicable and as hateful of those who died in this evil war as I would expect from one such a yourself Mr. V. I do think you may have hit a new low. Congratulations.

Well considering this is an "evil war" you're concern for thsi woman and her propoganda is not surprising.

The left has reached the gutter and scrapping taking a "grieving mother" and turning her into a circus act.

She met with the President. She was consoled by the visit, and from all accounts found the situation to be accetpable.

1 year later, she's a flamming firey rhetoric bomb lying about her meeting with Bush, spewing hate, anti-semitic BS and using prop crosses like a shield from critisism.

Was this guys actions good in anyway? No. You don't do shit like that, period.

That being said, this was no "war memorial" it was a propoganda display for the camera's to give the soon to be Ms. Sheehan sympathy coverage. Nothing more.


Her son went BACK on a SECOND tour, re-enlisting to fight in Iraq, his life was given freely to a cause he obviously felt was worth the risk.

She has taken that and turned it into a disaster.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica The Middle East respects power. It's a culture that stated they want us all dead if we don't convert to Islam. We have to deal with that and can not never fight that battle, for to do so brings that battle to our soil more than it needs to be.

What complete and total crap! Justifying killing others by displaying your own bigotry or perhaps just ignorance. Rather than actually fighting terrorism, you want a war against Islam! Disgusting. Nothing more or less than the stupid arrogance of empire.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Chris,
So what is your sources of political education on the issues?
I don't listen to shows that much but read lots of articles.

Most connservatives I know are very well read on the issues and think for themselves.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Allowing the leftists to rant unopposed allowed them to turn Vietnam over to the communist. The leftists were allowed to eat at the will of the American people to fight. That will NEVER happen again, so feel relieved.

Are you serious? So imagine you are in 1966. Tell me what benefit do you see in a war in Vietnam?

[GodBlessAmerica]

RickSp
You better go do a quick read of the passages from the Koran these radicals are living by, until you bother to catch up on the terrorist rule books, you should refrain from calling informed people bigots or ignorant.

Your outpouring of name calling emotion is very revealing.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Chris

Back in those days it was a race for control of the world between communism and democratic powers.
Many countries of even lesser importance than Vietnam were being protected or fought for to prevent the spread of communism.