Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch

[righthand]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Living in a dream world, righthand. The top of the food chain never gets eaten. They eat the small fry.

If we could not dream, then there would be no point to this world for good people. In the real world, I think of those bastards who murdered all those innocent Bosnian males. What must their lives be like in permanent hiding, relying on 'friends' while the loot lasts, but dreading ever stranger or foot step.

Do American not take any comfort in their 'number one enemy' scurrying from one cave to another, never in the same place twice and worrying about real friends, while the cash lasts. For Saddam too, they must have been days and long nights when he wondered if those damned yanks wouldn't turn up and rescue him from his hell hole. I think it would have better punishment if he was left in his hole. Of course, georgie said it would be all over then Saddam was captured. Remember? Another LIE. It got worse. Actually everything they announced would be one-way, turned out to be the opposite. You would think they would learn not to announce these false targets. What's that you say: 'Suck it up'.

No, I'm no dreaming when I predict georgie's future. No more 'yes. sir, mr. president' more like "fuck off, georgie, you big bollocks. Now I'll tell you what I really think of you, you stupid thick. And no more alcohol. You're pissed, bastard. And none of your old buddies will come over either. Get to bed. You've court tomorrow."

Now for real.
Joan Baez plays at Texas war protest
Associated Press Aug. 22, 2005 12:00 AM
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CRAWFORD, Texas - Iraq war protesters camping out near President Bush's ranch got some support Sunday night from a prominent figure in the anti-Vietnam war movement: folk singer Joan Baez. "In the first march I went to (opposing Vietnam) there were 10 of us. This is huge," Baez told relatives of fallen U.S. soldiers Sunday before performing a free concert just up the road from the ranch. About 500 people gathered to hear her on a 1-acre lot offered by a landowner who opposes the war. Not far away, protesters continued a campout started by Cindy Sheehan.

Joan Baez offers ode to war dead at ranch vigil ...August 23, 2005 ...Cox Newspapers
Joan Baez Joins Peace Mom's Cause ...CBS News ...Aug. 22, 2005

[righthand]

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The Iraq war 'tipping point'? ...posted August 22, 2005 at 12:00 p.m.

Are comments by Sen. Hagel, protests by Sheehan, shifting US attitudes towards continued involvement? [/center]

Malcolm Gladwell's 2002 best-selling book, 'The Tipping Point,' argued that under a combination of certain factors, "radical change is more than a possibility." Some columnists and politicians from both parties are now wondering if the comments of leading Republican lawmakers like Sen. Chuck Hagel from Nebraska and others, and the actions of protester Cindy Sheehan, signal that the attitudes toward the war in Iraq are slowly, but surely, moving against the Bush administration. Speaking Sunday on ABC-TV's 'This Week,' Sen. Hagel, who won two purple hearts in Vietnam and is also considered by some as a contender for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, restated his position that the US needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq. Hagel also "scoffed" at the idea, first put forward last week by top Army general Peter Schoomaker that in a "worst-case scenario," the US might have to maintain US troops levels of about 100,000 for at least the next four years. Reuters reported last week that Hagel told reporters who had accompanied him on a tour of his home state, that he could see longtime supporters of the war beginning to have serious doubts.

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Gary Qualls, of Temple, Texas, kneels in front of a memorial to his fallen son Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Qualls in Crawford, Texas. (Photo: AP)



Crosses for U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq on the road leading to President Bush's ranch near Crawford, Texas, are shown Sunday night, Aug. 21, 2005. (Photo: AP)


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[GodBlessAmerica]

Meanwhile there are pro Bush and military supporters with a different view.

[PatrickHenry]

When I see the people who think that America is doing the right thing invading, occupying and killing the people of Iraq, I think to myself. "What will it take to make people realize that it is all wrong?"

And I must conclude that not enough of their sons have died in this needless war.

I want America to be a peaceful nation, but that is not its role in history or in the present day. America is an aggressor nation whose population has been largely brainwashed into thinking that the foreign policy elite that instigate her wars are good men and true. They truly think that the US has been pushed by the "evildoers" into her present positon atop all that oil. And that a constitution for Iraq will create a nation that isn't a US puppet. It would be laughable if it weren't for all the blood.

And I wonder if the best thing for America might be if many, many more US soldiers were killed and maimed. Then maybe their families would come to realize the absolute evil of the power-mad megalomanics who are taking the nation down the road of endless warfare. The gyrations to attempt a moral position on all the bloodshed are a symptom of madness, but many in the nation are infected with it.

When I read the comments from people mentioning the higher casualties of America's other wars and how this is nothing in comparison, I think "How many will it take to turn the soul of the nation away from warfare in nausea?"

What would make America really pause and rethink its foreign policy of aggression and military force?

[mr.perfecto]

American isn't invading, occupying, and killing the people of Iraq. Indeed, we limited ourselves to smashing the Iraqi government to bits and helping the Iraqis rebuild and establish themselves. The least you could do is consider that rather than simply ignoring or demonizing those who have repeatedly pointed that out to you.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: mr.perfecto American isn't invading, occupying, and killing the people of Iraq.

Gee perfecto, it's all rose petals and brownies, huh? Nobody invading? Nobody occupying? Nobody killing? How could I be so wrong???

[mr.perfecto]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Gee perfecto, it's all rose petals and brownies, huh? Nobody invading? Nobody occupying? Nobody killing? How could I be so wrong???

Because you accept your prejudices without attempting to understand them or place them under test through reason.

One question for you, if the former Baathists and the foreign terrorists were not waging war against the US soldiers and Iraqi and foreign civilians in Iraq, would US soldiers be killing anyone? Not at all. We'd build them some powerplants and schools, they'd write a Constitution and the troops would start coming home. In light of that, I can say with no hesitation that the US isn't waging war against the Iraqi people. The only Iraqis that are killed by US troops in Iraq are not killed intentionally. Their deaths are incidental to the mission US soldiers are carrying out--the process of stopping the terrorists.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: mr.perfecto Because you accept your prejudices without attempting to understand them or place them under test through reason.

Well I'm glad to get that cleared up! May I assume you, on the other hand, are fully aware of yours and test them consistently?

And perfecto let me further ask you if I may call you personally, an evildoer, come and invade your home, wreck the furniture, "accidentally" kill your daughter, and tell you not to fight back because its for your own good? If you fight me, you will be a terrorist and I'll have to kill you. Don't make me do this...

[mr.perfecto]

Certainly you may call me an evildoer and invade my home...if it is true! Do you have a problem differentiating between deliberate actions and incidental occurances? Really, I suppose that if some criminal is arrested today and his children refuse to follow the basic rules of decency because "Your not my daddy" that is perfectly acceptable to you.

No children, whether I'm your government or not, you can't throw rocks in the street and generally behave like out-of-control aholes. Sometimes the process of taking out the criminal takes out the hostage as well. Such situations are tragic, but any attempt to lay blame must start with the criminal. To not do so is to totally destroy any basis for a just public order.

[PatrickHenry]

If I say you are an evildoer, you are one. I am the law around here and you must do as I say. I am giving you 48 hours to leave your home or I will be forced to do many terrible things to you and your family. I will be building a large watchtower on your property with fifty calibers mounted and searchlights. You must be tried and executed. If your family wishes to continue to occupy your home at all, you must do as I say and pay me protection money. (This is irony, understand?)

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Meanwhile there are pro Bush and military supporters with a different view.

How does any of those quotes make her a traitor? You sicken me.

[righthand]

Now there IS OFFICIAL GOVERMENT DOCTORING ...



Is this more official government doctoring???

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Meanwhile there are pro Bush and military supporters with a different view.

I have already had a discussion with god about plagiarism and adding words to an other's to put the others words in a bad light.

This is far WORSE. This is SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK.....
This is of the SICK MIND'S that belief that spilling blood is so noble ideal, but never their own
These are the people that reveled in the S&M film by Gibson. SICK SICK SICK
These are the people who use god, their god, as an excuse for their worst excesses.
These are the people that dragged human beings - black - behind vehicles until dead.
These are the KKK descendants without the white cape.

Has ANYONE before posted an image that is so blatantly doctored. Yes, I posted one. It was GOVERNMENT DOCTORED!!! And that was to point of posting it. It gives NO EXCUSE for god to post her PERVERTED CRAP.

I don't know the word for 'doctored' images is. I do know that if there is no CODE against the above crap, then this FORUM will...whatever.

god should apologize and ask that his/her images be deleted from this thread.

[Chris]

Quote by: righthand I don't know the word for 'doctored' images is.

righthand, its called photoshopping.

[Matt W]

If you're sick of the images, righthand, then please stop re-posting them.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: mr.perfecto American isn't invading, occupying, and killing the people of Iraq.

Oh, really? Where have you been? :rolleyes:

Quote by: mr.perfecto Indeed, we limited ourselves to smashing the Iraqi government to bits and helping the Iraqis rebuild and establish themselves

And smashing their power stations to bits and attatching ALL of their oil, and controlling the water supply, and creating absolute chaos.

[trueheart]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Oh, really? Where have you been? :rolleyes:And smashing their power stations to bits and attatching ALL of their oil, and controlling the water supply, and creating absolute chaos.

Wow. This shows amazing ignorance of the facts.

[righthand]

Quote by: trueheart Wow. This shows amazing ignorance of the facts.

Have you forgotten 'Shock & Awe'. Besides Saddam's numerous palaces and the very few military targets left, do you really not know what the targets were? In every war, power plants are number one targets. In this war there was a big case to be made for the US not destroying them. Aside from the illegality of the invasion without UN sanction and the demonstrated will of the planet, there was not in history better, for not destroying the infrastructure.

When we watch as US soldiers watch while hospital, museums etcetera we gutted by looters, it confirmed that the bushie administration wanted an entire pillaging of Iraq. This, while knowing that all this would have to be replaced. It has not been replaced. Yet more than enough money has been set aside - in some ones deep pockets - to more than replace that which was destroyed. The US appears to enjoy paying three times and yet not yet replacing its vandalism. A crooked administration fed by US taxpayers!

[righthand]

Quote by: |Chris| righthand, its called photoshopping.

Thank you, Chris. Is that the 'nice' name for it. Doesn't have the same ring to it as 'doctored'. Does 'doctoring' not have a sinister sense to it in the States?



Cindy Sheehan: Coming Back to Crawford
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/200...uffpost/006121

Cindy Sheehan I'm coming back to Crawford for my son. As long as the president, who sent him to die in a senseless war, is in Crawford, that is where I belong. I came here two and a half weeks ago for one reason, to try and see the president and get an answer to a very simple question: What is the noble cause that he says my son died for? The answer to that question will not bring my son back. But it may stop more meaningless deaths. Because every death is now a meaningless one. And the vast majority of our country knows this. So why do more young men and women have to die? And why do more parents have to lose their children and live the rest of their lives with this unbearable grief? The presidency is not bigger than the people's will. And when the people speak out, it's the president's reponsibility to listen. He is there to serve us, not the other way around. This isn't about politics. It's about what is good for America and what's best for our security and how far this president has taken us away from both. I'm coming back to Crawford because -- now and forever -- this is my duty for my son, for my other children, for other parents, and for my country.

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio YEp, not only that, her own family is calling her out for this. She' angry and sad, that's fine, but she's also been used by the anti-war types and it's sick.

At least she didn't die when they used her, like her son did when the fascist used him, in their efforts to conquer Iraq.

[righthand]

Quote by: oranged At least she didn't die when they used her, like her son did when the fascist used him, in their efforts to conquer Iraq.

True.

SHE'S BACK!



Cindy Sheehan cries after seeing a portrait of her son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan who was killed in Iraq, at Camp Casey next to President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005. Sheehan returned to Texas and her anti-war vigil after a week-long absence for a family emergency. [AP Photo]


Cindy Sheehan returns to Texas
CHINADaily ...Updated: 2005-08-25 09:28 ...4 hours ago
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_472091.htm

A woman whose son was killed in Iraq returned to Texas Wednesday to resume her anti-war protest near President Bush's ranch after a week-long absence to care for her ailing mother. About a dozen protesters who have continued the peace vigil picked up Cindy Sheehan at the Waco airport Wednesday afternoon, six days after she flew to Los Angeles when her 74-year-old mother suffered a stroke. "This is where I belong, until Aug. 31, like I told the president," Sheehan said at the airport before driving about 20 miles to the Crawford site. Among those defending Sheehan are former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson, who believes that his wife's identity as an undercover CIA operative was leaked in retaliation for his criticism of the Bush administration in a 2002 New York Times op-ed piece. Later Wednesday, Bush was to return to Texas after a three-day trip to Idaho, where he met with some military families and gave speeches to rally support for the war. He said Tuesday that he recognizes Sheehan's right to protest and understands her anguish, although she does not represent the views of many families he has met with.

Single-handed Bloodless Mugging.