Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch

[Hermes]

Quote by: righthand [center]Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12645179.htm Source: Reuters ...By Patricia Wilson ...12 Aug 2005 17:14:14 GMT [/center][center]Mother of slain soldier in Crawford draws international attention http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content...n_profile.html WACO Tribune-Herald ...By Thaddeus DeJesus, Tribune-Herald staff writer ...August 11, 2005[/center] Certainly the main point of this story is this courageous woman's effort to bring meaning to the lose of her son and prevent more grieving mothers and families. Apparent also is how the 'majors' covered the story: WP - Bush Tells Reporters U.S. Won't Exit Iraq [CENTER] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081101300.html[/CENTER]CNN - Bush: Leaving Iraq would send 'terrible signal' [CENTER]http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/11/bush.iraq/[/CENTER] USA ToDay - Leaving Iraq now not wise, Bush says [CENTER]http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...tm?POE=NEWISVA[/CENTER] while: AP SanDiego - California mom's Crawford protest grows in support, opposition [CENTER]http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/s...-peacemom.html[/CENTER] CBC News, Canada - Soldier's mother keeps vigil outside Bush ranch [CENTER]http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...st-050812.html[/CENTER] Daily Telegraph, Australia - Mum's war protest tears at Bush's door [CENTER]http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/st...toryid=3599939[/CENTER] The Age, Australia - A president hiding from parents' wrath [CENTER]http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinio...?oneclick=true[/CENTER] There are 984 related news stories. All but the 'majors' are synoptic to Cindy Sheehan. All foreign coverage is synoptic. The World is watching Crawford, Texas, even if the US is not!

>> Certainly the main point of this story is this courageous woman's effort to bring meaning to the lose of her son and prevent more grieving mothers and families.

She is not "corageous". She is a grieving neurotic being used by those who want to relive the "victory" they won in Saigon. Many in this country appreciate the sacrrifice her son made in defense of our Nation, she is using his sacrifice for short term political gain. Those of us who have relatives serving there now see her actions as nothing short of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

lose: To be unsuccessful in retaining possession of; mislay

loss: The act or an instance of losing

[Hermes]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Anti-war types? Those opposed to war are sick? Bubba, you need to get your head outta the sand. Sane people are the ones who don't like war. Bloodthirst is the sickness, and peace is the cure...

No one likes war, especially the warriors.

Sane people realize that war is inevitable and necessary at times.

Living in denial of reality is dangerous for individuals and nations.

[Hermes]

Sonart

>> Maybe what's sick is how the U.S. media was uncritically cheerleading LBDubya's war.


Say what...?

[Mr.Vicchio]

You guys do know she first Praised Bush when THEY DID MEET, and now a year later is deep in the anti-war left pocket.....


Come on, her own family is ashamed of her, the people that saw F911 multiple times are joining her....

She's a.. greiving mother whose anger and pain is misguided.

[monty of ll]

Not that I would want to interrupt you guys' pi--ing match Mr. Vicchio, but I believe that it's more than the left that's against your war now.

[bishop]

don't pay attention to that nonsense.. he's been using that sort of ignorant rhetoric since day one.

[righthand]

Quote by: monty of ll Not that I would want to interrupt you guys' pi--ing match Mr. Vicchio, but I believe that it's more than the left that's against your war now.

You ofter find the that the guy with biggest 'gob' (mouth) have the smallest 'balls' - no courage. They're very good at dumping on nice older defenceless ladies. They run scared if you say boo to them. A case of "Empty barrels make the most noise". Some of our SCUTTERS have being running on empty for some time.

You would wonder if any of them served in the military. Probably not. A poll would be interesting. Would they tell the truth? Ye, the truth. Like georgie and connecting Saddam with 9/11. Or WMD.

Any see active service? Fired a rifle in anger? Shooting innocent animals does not count. Hands up those that have served US legitimate interests abroad. That does not include in the IDF. That's in no ones interest.

[SteveA]

Quote by: crossfire I think I disagree with just about every bit of that. Military service IS voluntary. If you don't like the war in Iraq then vote accordingly but you can't pick and choose what element of military action you are involved in - either you are in the army (and accept the consequences) or you don't join. George Bush has said he is not ruling out an attack on Iran. If anyone is joining the military at this time they should be aware of this - and their families should not complain if the worst then happens.

I agree that people that enter the service should be expected to keep good faith toward the prospects of being sent to war but I still disagree with people calling it a voluntary service.

It's voluntary if the transactions are based upon voluntary exchanges, but they aren't. It's based on an enforced tax system that biases people decisions. A voluntary military is when a lot of people freely give to and support the military. We instead have a system that requires the IRS and legal incentives to get people to fight and a currency system that allows wars to be "printed up", and stealing from peoples saving while devaluing our currency (how many people "volunteered" to have their savings effectively robbed by inflation/high prices?)

My brother joined because of economic and family problems.

We had people after the 9/11 attacks who effectively did volunteer and people at home who donated to the families of those killed in the attacks, and I'm certain if the government had asked for monetary help, many people would had done that as well but it's dangerous to say that what we have is a voluntary institution because it implies that we have no accountability for what happens to the soldiers - after all they all volunteered right? Not really. We tax people. Then when a few of them can't quite get by, we give them the money back if they work for us.

I agree that other people want to us the attention there to show their support in bring the troops home also but that's no big deal. We already have had tons of coverage of why we needed to go, and now why we (supposedly) need to stay. A bit less DC agenda and a bit more public impact coverage would be nice, from my pov.

For example during the presidential debates, Kerry only disagreed with Bush in that he wanted even more troops sent there along with U.N. involvement ... and that's what we call a debate.

[Gorgo]

Quote by: Hermes Many in this country appreciate the sacrrifice her son made in defense of our Nation

Defense of our nation? They've taken part in an illegal war which has become a brutal occupation. What does that have to do with "defense" of "our" nation?

[Sonart]

Quote by: Hermes Say what...?

Ah yes, of course... you would be steeped in the whole mythology of the 'biased Lib'rul media'. Nah, the 'Lib'rul Media' has been pretty cowed since 9/11 and their reporters were embedded in Iraq.



Think about it... we invaded and occupied a sovereign nation by mistake. Meaning that the reasons given to the world by our President, his Secretary of State and the rest of his cabinet, turned out to be completely false, much of it supplied to Bush and Rumsnamara by an Iranian spy, Ahmed Chalabi.

Then, once our invasion was complete, any hope of success was, as Jimmy Carter so eloquently stated, "squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations". Nothing promised by the administration turned out to be correct and everything warned about by dissenters and Bush's own intelligence and senior military turned out to be true.

So here we are, two years later, the insurgency every growing, U.S. dead aproaching 2,000 with 10 times that number maimed and wounded, Iraq still without stable electricity, water, gas, employment, etc., teetering on the verge of civil war, oil prices the highest they've ever been, the rest of the Axis of Evil, Iran and North Korea, arming themselves to the teeth and defying us to do a damn thing about it, Osama bin Laden still at large and al-Qaeda still active...

... and only now does the media focus on one mother leading an opposition to the war.

Quote by: Hermes Many in this country appreciate the sacrrifice her son made in defense of our Nation

The war in Iraq is the defense of our nation? From what?

Quote by: Mr.Viichio You guys do know she first Praised Bush when THEY DID MEET, and now a year later is deep in the anti-war left pocket.....

Yeah, so? Donald Rumsfeld first praised Saddam Hussein when they met, too. She was being gracious and diplomatic. Now, a year later and the war getting nowhere and our troops still dying, maybe she has a few more questions.

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[Gorgo]

Quote by: Sonart Think about it... we invaded and occupied a sovereign nation by mistake.

There is no mistake. This is a crime. They knew it was a crime, they meant it to be a rime, and it still is a crime.

[Gorgo]

And "WE" didn't do shit. A group of criminals did this.

[righthand]

Quote by: Gorgo And "WE" didn't do shit. A group of criminals did this.

Correct, correct, but that does not absolve you from doing whatever from putting it right. The "group of criminals" are not going to ever. If your loses were ten time more, they cannot expect that the 'criminals' will change. If there is any chink in their wall, it will tumble very quick. Then we'll see proof of the lies. Jail time, is what is mainly stopping change. Simple self preservation. It just like the mafia. Just one needs to start singing.

1,572 outlets are now carrying her story, mainly World wide.

[center]Bush passes by protest camp. Sheehan calls him liar
Basque news and Information Channel ...2005/08/13 | 22:00:37
http://www.eitb24.com/noticia_en.php?id=82215 [/center]

Law enforcement agencies used their cars to block two intersecting roads as Sheehan and fellow demonstrators waved homemade placards at the president's motorcade. The mother from California has demanded to meet Bush face-to-face to talk about why the US went to war. Sheehan sends this message to President Bush: "Mr. President, my name is Cindy Sheehan. On April 24, 2004, my son was killed in Iraq. He was only 24 and he died in his best friend's arms. Casey was so good and so honest, why can't you be honest with us? You were wrong about the weapons of mass destruction. You were wrong about the link between Iraq and al-Qaida. You lied to us and because of your lies my son died. Mr. President, I want to tell you face to face how much this hurts. I love my country, but how many more of our loved ones need to die in this senseless war? How many more soldiers have to die before we say enough? I know you can't bring Casey back, but it's time to admit mistakes and bring out troops home now." The White House also put out an accounting of all the meetings that Bush has had with families of the war dead - 900 relatives of 272 people who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He did not account for why he REFUSES to attend the funerals of his fallen men, unheard of in the civilized world.

[center]Arianna Huffington: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/200...uffpost/005557
Huffington Post ...Fri Aug 12, 7:22 PM ET [/center]

The right wing attacks on Cindy Sheehan -- desperate, pathetic, and grasping at straws -- expose much less about their target than about the attackers. How much longer can the Bushies get away with mauling the very values they profess to stand for before their supporters start getting wise to the fact that the only value they really value is power? Think about it, they’ve shown absolutely no compunction about turning the sleaze machine on an undercover agent who’d spent her career working to protect us from weapons of mass destruction, a Silver Star/Purple Heart veteran who volunteered to fight in a war the administration chicken-hawks gamed the system to avoid, and now the mother of a dead soldier.

[righthand]

CRAWFORD, TEXAS. Friday 08-12-2005

After a brief meeting yesterday with some trusted reporters on his way to gather funds for his party, Mr Bush gave a brief interview. We've had a quick translation done of it is believe Bush said when asked why US soldiers continued to died, thousands of miles away in Iraq, defending American soil.

He refused to answer questions on Weapons Of Mass Destruction (WMD} mumbling that they'll turn up someday and that he'll damn well make sure that they did. It's understood that Condi has been dispatched, no that should be sent, to bring them back.

On a question about Saddam's involvement with 9/11, he said that his brain - Rove - tells him that he's not to use Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence. Then, to the reporters relief, he said there is a definite link between 9/11, Saddam and God's voice in his ear.

On the main point of his meeting with the reporters he said:

"The sacrifice of so much American blood would be in vain if we don't spill more American blood."

A Cheney translation of this was: The OIL is not flowing yet, but if we stick at it the rewards will be huge!!

Another translation was: More Americans to die defending US freedoms in Iraq.

He also said: "We have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission." This translates as "and I won't be turning up at no bucking funerals, either.". ..."No I didn't mean bucking, but I'm still not wearing black for anyone."

As a parting comment, he was asked had he any thing good to say about Cindy Sheehan. It's reported that he said: "We sent the wrong catholic bitch into space." This didn't need translation, but a spokes person, another bitch, said that everyone heard the president wrong and that he welcomed their safe return from Mars.

[Gorgo]

Quote by: righthand Correct, correct, but that does not absolve you from doing whatever from putting it right.

Of course not, but the first step is realizing that this is not a mistake. This is what governments do. Yugoslavia was torn apart while "liberals" cheered. The last shreds of Haiti are being torn apart and no one cares. Iraq is brutally invaded and occupied, and liberals call it a "mistake."

[righthand]

Quote by: Gorgo And "WE" didn't do shit. A group of criminals did this. righthand Correct, correct, but that does not absolve you from doing whatever from putting it right.. The "group of criminals" are not going to ever. If your loses were ten time more, they cannot expect that the 'criminals' will change. If there is any chink in their wall, it will tumble very quick. Then we'll see proof of the lies. Jail time, is what is mainly stopping change. Simple self preservation. It just like the mafia. Just one needs to start singing. Quote by: Gorgo Of course not, but the first step is realizing that this is not a mistake. This is what governments do. Yugoslavia was torn apart while "liberals" cheered. The last shreds of Haiti are being torn apart and no one cares. Iraq is brutally invaded and occupied, and liberals call it a "mistake."

"Of course not, but the first step is realizing that this is not a mistake." I'm not getting the 'not'.

"This is what governments do." Is this "what governments should do" but this one never will. What point are we discussing here?

As long as this goverment spout platitudes while following their own personal adgenda, they not only WILL NOT, they CAN NOT change.

"The sacrifice of so much American blood would be in vain if we don't spill more American blood." A Cheney translation of this was: The OIL is not flowing yet, but if we stick at it the rewards will be huge!!Another translation was: More Americans to die defending US freedoms in Iraq. He also said: "We have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission." This translates as "and I won't be turning up at no bucking funerals, either.".

[Gorgo]

Quote by: righthand "This is what governments do." Is this "what governments should do" but this one never will. What point are we discussing here?

This is what governments do. They illegally attack other countries and illegally imprison and murder their people as the U.S. is doing and has done for years in Iraq, has done in Yugoslavia, and is doing in Haiti. Is that what your question is?

[righthand]

Quote by: Gorgo This is what governments do. They illegally attack other countries and illegally imprison and murder their people as the U.S. is doing and has done for years in Iraq, has done in Yugoslavia, and is doing in Haiti. Is that what your question is?

"has done in Yugoslavia" I have nothing against what the US did in Yugoslavia, except that it might have been sooner. I've seen this criticism of US action in Yugoslavia and didnt respond, mainly because I didn't respect their opinion. There the same type that repeat mantras about the UN, but when you ask for chapter and verse, it turns out to be empty.

I respect their opinion yours, so give me some info or refer me to a thread where this may have been covered.

On Haiti, I don't know enough to comment. Is there a thread on this. The little that I do know, I don't like of US fingers. I do not think they're clean.

However, I don't see either of these cases on a scale with what the US is doing in Iraq.

[Gorgo]

The Truth is not Politically Correct (Yugoslavia spinoff)

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html

http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html

http://www.newleftreview.net/nlr26102.shtml

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You guys do know she first Praised Bush when THEY DID MEET

I dont remember her ever "praising" bush. Do you remember what she said? This article has Sheehan reflecting on their meeting last year.

So when Sheehan received an invitation to meet privately with President Bush at the White House two months after her son died, the least she could have expected was a bit of compassion or a kind word coming from the heart. But what she encountered was an arrogant man with eyes lacking the slightest bit of compassion, a President totally "detached from humanity" and a man who didn’t even bother to remember her son’s name when they were first introduced. Instead of a kind gesture or a warm handshake, Sheehan said she immediately got a taste of Bush arrogance when he entered the room and "in a condescending tone and with a disgusting loud Texas accent," said: "Who we’all honorin’ here today?" "His mouth kept moving, but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all. This is a human being totally disconnected from humanity and reality. His eyes were empty, hollow shells and he was acting like I should be proud to just be in his presence when it was my son who died for his illegal war! It was one of the most disgusting experiences I ever had and it took me almost a year to even talk about it," said Sheehan in a telephone conversation from Washington D.C. where she was attending a July 4th anti-war rally. Sheehan said the June 2004 private meeting with the President went from bad to worse to a nightmare when Bush acted like he didn’t even want to know her name. She said Bush kept referring to her as ‘Ma’ or ‘Mom’ while he "put on a phony act," saying things like ‘Mom, I can’t even imagine losing a loved one, a mother or a father or a sister or a brother.’ "The whole meeting was simply bizarre and disgusting, designed to intimidate instead of providing compassion. He didn’t even know our names," said Sheehan. "Finally I got so upset I just looked him in the eye, saying ‘I think you can imagine losing someone. You have two daughters. Imagine losing them?’ After I said that he just looked at me, looked at me with no feeling or caring in his eyes at all." <snip> "It’s interesting that they put us each in separate rooms. I heard this was done to prevent any type of group outburst and since it’s easier to control a situation when people are separated. Looking back, all I can say is that the meeting with Bush was one of the most disgusting experiences in my life.

More.....
There is more from Cindy Sheehan in that link, none of it "PRAISE"