Iran: Is the UN retarded?

[dotcoma]

Has anyone been following the recent problems with Iran? The first thing I heard on cnn this morning was that the UN did not want to "provoke" or blame Iran for the recent removal of UN seals within nuclear facilities. They merely are going to express regret...ha

Why are we ignoring this issue? Is this not the best place for terrorists to obtain nuclear weapons?

Would going in with a few fighters and destroying their facilities spark a war? Would sanctions be the better option? Will the UN have the balls to implement such sanctions?

For those in a cave this week: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...a/iran_nuclear

With United Nations inspectors watching, Iranian officials removed U.N. seals that had been placed voluntarily on equipment at the facility eight months ago when Tehran agreed to freeze most of its nuclear program. Technicians then immediately resumed work on the process that turns raw uranium into gas for enrichment. The breaking of the seals at the facility in the mountains outside the southern city of Isfahan was the latest move of Iranian brinkmanship over its nuclear ambitions. The hard-line government's determination to move ahead left Europe and the United States scrambling over what to do next. Iran has rejected European proposals to limit its program in return for economic incentives and shrugged off threats of U.N. sanctions. Any attempt to impose sanctions could face a veto in the U.N. Security Council from Russia and China, which have close ties with Iran. Tehran's delegate to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Sirus Nasseri warned Europe and the United States that referring Iran to the Security Council over the resumption of operations at its uranium conversaion plant, would be a step toward "the path of confrontation." Europe and the United States were left appealing to Iran to reconsider the proposals and waiting for Tehran to make its own offer in negotiations, while diplomats at the U.N. nuclear watchdog — the International Atomic Energy Agency — debated how strongly to rebuke Iran.

[Trotsky]

Bollox, the best places for terror groups to obtain nuclear material are Uganda for the actual Uranium and plutonium, or for ready made devices any of the former Soviet republics.....for any budding terrorists here I hear that the Tajik's and Uzbek's have some good quality warheads which reportedly have "gone off the radar". Also Belarus has recently been implicated in the sale of fissile material to "undesireable" nations.

As for your Israel-like approach to the solution, that would cause a bloody war that we have no comprehension of. You'd be attacking the "model" Islamic republic, if you think things are bad now, wait till something likes this happens and we actually end up with a real Jihad where the West has taken further "un-provoked" aggressive action on Islam.



I use the term un-provoked very loosely

[Matt W]

There's also the fact that, at the end of the day, Iran is not doing anything illegal. They have the right to explore nuclear power - 'specially given their expanding populace and dwindling resources. They're also a signatory to the NPT - which North Korea isn't - and something which has been swept under the carpet in all the hype is that the removal of the seals was done under IAEA supervision, and there are monitoring cameras in those sections.

Besides, the UN, US, UK, EU et al have done precisely jack shit about India and Pakistan (who, if you may recall, have a few scientists who have sold nuclear tech all over the place), so why the hypocritical outcry now?

[icu]

An argument for Irans WMDs - must read

...'A world without nuclear weapons would be less stable and more dangerous for all of us.'

This is not a statement of Osama bin Laden, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei or Saddam Hussein. The author of the above quote was in fact former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher...

For complete article click below

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%2...jad%20Khan.htm

[icu]

[Forseti]

Ok the problem I see with Iran becoming nuclear ready is the fact that they don’t like us very much. I mean come on Pakistan and India aren’t going to waste time with us when they have each other. The fact is Iran hates us and if able would supply and train terrorist with nuclear weapons, then we would have something a bit worse than 9/11 on our hands. And the problem with terrorist is that it gets rid of M..A.D. If we get hit who do we hit back the entire middle east? Better to be safe than sorry on this matter.
It’s nice to here that we are watching what they are doing at their plants but who’s to say they haven’t tampered with surveillance or are building another plant in some mountain. I just hope I’m being paranoid.

[Matt W]

Not a lot of people like the US 'very much', and as for them tampering with the surveillance, that's why you have such things as IAEA inspections - constantly. And if you think Iran is that stupid, you really have a low opinion of Arabs....

[jose]

Quote by: Matt W Not a lot of people like the US 'very much', and as for them tampering with the surveillance, that's why you have such things as IAEA inspections - constantly. And if you think Iran is that stupid, you really have a low opinion of Arabs....

while i agree with with your post i have to remind you Iranians are not Arabs,and they dont even speak arabic,but farsi.

Apart from that i´d like to add that there is NO oversite or surveillance of Israel´s Dimona nuecler weapons factory, why the double standard?

[Matt W]

Good point - thanks for the correction.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Forseti The fact is Iran hates us and if able would supply and train terrorist with nuclear weapons

The question: Why is the US hated by Iran's government, and how to regain their friendship?

The well read volconvo member understands the why: US/CIA meddling with democracy in the fifties, and the installation of a torturing murdering Shah. Remember SAVAK? http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

How to move forward from here? How about stopping the harsh rhetoric and threats? After all they were a good place to sell rockets when Ollie North (later a US Senate candidate) needed money for the contras. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

[Sonart]

Quote by: dotcoma Why are we ignoring this issue? Is this not the best place for terrorists to obtain nuclear weapons?

Well, duhhh!! And what exactly do you expect the UN to do about it?? The UN we've spent the last 2 years singlehandedly immasculating, remember? You expect the UN to now save us from Iran?

And what do you think Bush should do about it? Hmmmmm?? Isn't this exactly why we invaded Iraq, that nasty Axis of Evil with their WMD and ties to terrorists? We're bogged down in Iraq and both Iran and North Korea are thumbing their noses at us.

Great call, Boy George, way to go!

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[asterix404]

There is a problem with iran having nulcear weapons... they openly support terrorism and fund any islamic group under strugle from the oppressor. Letting them having nulcear weapons would be like letting... no there is nothing like it. It would be a very bad idea. They also have tons of oil which are selling off like mad which I find quite amusing. The other problem was that UN didn't want them to have plutoium enrichment but said nothing about unanium enrichment. Now before everyone jumps on me about the US being a terrorist state... we are not nearly as bad as others. Honestly nukes are a horrable thing right now and I just wish that everyone would disarm them and stop... but that is not going to happen. The thing that the UN doens't get is that Iran getting WMDs is that well... englad just had a problem with terrorism... spain did too... reacently. I don't think Iran would stop at giving them away to terror groups. Do you?

[Hermes]

Is the UN retarded...?

No.

Complicit.