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tman_ndsu08 · Aug 8, 2005, 01:59 pm

It hsould be the goal of every American to make sure that the IRS's days are numbered.

Flat tax or fair tax, it's gone on long enough. The people who work for the IRS are just getting welfare from the government for a job that was created out of nothing and is only still active because of the purposfully over complicated tax code.

Osborn F Enready · Aug 8, 2005, 02:02 pm

Whilst I agree with you completely T-Man, you have opened a can of worms.

Might want to arm up the "conspiracy shields" and the "foil hat" fenders, because they are probably coming out of the woodwork on this one, and I am betting after this post, it won't be but five or so posts before you hear the words "conspiracy theorist" aimed at you a few times.

RickSp · Aug 8, 2005, 02:14 pm

At the risk of being repetitious, unless we find a way to cut the amount government spends, working to abolish the IRS won't do much. The IRS, odious as it may be, is just the servant of the Congress. If the Congress keeps spending wildly, we will have to pay for it one way or another.

Prometheus · Aug 8, 2005, 03:33 pm

As a libertarian I agree with your anti-IRS sentiments, but we need to be practical. Our current society requires (or al least thinks it requires) collection of taxes. Unless we go to a consumption tax, the IRS will be in buisiness for a while yet.

bishop · Aug 8, 2005, 07:45 pm

rick hit the nail right on the head...

tman_ndsu08 · Aug 8, 2005, 08:58 pm

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Quote by: Prometheus

As a libertarian I agree with your anti-IRS sentiments, but we need to be practical. Our current society requires (or al least thinks it requires) collection of taxes. Unless we go to a consumption tax, the IRS will be in buisiness for a while yet.

Then consumption tax it is!

RVonse · Aug 8, 2005, 09:21 pm

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Quote by: RickSp

At the risk of being repetitious, unless we find a way to cut the amount government spends, working to abolish the IRS won't do much. The IRS, odious as it may be, is just the servant of the Congress. If the Congress keeps spending wildly, we will have to pay for it one way or another.

As in the other thread I agree with you about the spending. But just getting rid of the IRS plus all the lawyers and accountants would be a huge blessing in and of itself. Please think about all the money the taxpayer has to pay for silliness. We are twice paying for services that aren't really needed. First we have to pay the salary for the IRS food chain and then we have to pay in the private sector in the accounting food chain to do our taxes each year. And all those people I just mentioned should be doing other work that really matters to our society.

I say get rid of all that unnessessary crap and make it simple. Even if everyone pays the same amount.

Caduceus · Aug 8, 2005, 09:24 pm

I'd agree with you normally, but let's focus on getting rid of this atrocious national debt first.

Forseti · Aug 8, 2005, 09:27 pm

Example of why I hate the IRS. My Grandfather owed the IRS ten thousand dollars. His daghter opens a buisness and he is hired as a consultant and a book keeper (he was the one really running the show however). As a book keeper he wrote checks. Now here is when the IRS pisses me off. Since he was sighing the checks the IRS was able to put them selves in his place and take the ten thousand dollars from my Aunt. And it was all legal. So make sure the book keeper you hire does not owe any thing to the IRS (even if his signiture is worth less than the amount due the IRS can still take the owed amount).

Forseti · Aug 8, 2005, 09:35 pm

Our National debt is bad but our economy is more than able to handle it. That is if these fiscally minded republicans stop this over spending (notice the sarcasim when using fiscalley reasponible and rebulican in the same sentence.)

bishop · Aug 8, 2005, 11:43 pm

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Our National debt is bad but our economy is more than able to handle it.

really? pray tell how we can pay down our debts without using income tax revenues.

Forseti · Aug 9, 2005, 12:05 am

If our goverment spent less money and stuck to a consumption tax we would be just fine. Not only would life be easier for the citizens but the goverment would be getting more than enough funds from the American public. We are the biggest consumers in the world after all.

The fed has become far to big and far to powerful. A down sizing is needed. That would also mean less taxes. But i live in a wonderland if I were to believe our nations leaders would give up any amount of power for the mere cause of doing what is right and just.

Aug 8, 2005, 01:59 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Abolish the IRS!! It hsould be the goal of every American to make sure that the IRS's days are numbered. Flat tax or fair tax, it's gone on long enough. The people who work for the IRS are just getting welfare from the government for a job that was created out of nothing and is only still active because of the purposfully over complicated tax code.

Aug 8, 2005, 02:02 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Whilst I agree with you completely T-Man, you have opened a can of worms. Might want to arm up the "conspiracy shields" and the "foil hat" fenders, because they are probably coming out of the woodwork on this one, and I am betting after this post, it won't be but five or so posts before you hear the words "conspiracy theorist" aimed at you a few times. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Aug 8, 2005, 02:14 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	At the risk of being repetitious, unless we find a way to cut the amount government spends, working to abolish the IRS won't do much. The IRS, odious as it may be, is just the servant of the Congress. If the Congress keeps spending wildly, we will have to pay for it one way or another. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

Aug 8, 2005, 03:33 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	As a libertarian I agree with your anti-IRS sentiments, but we need to be practical. Our current society requires (or al least thinks it requires) collection of taxes. Unless we go to a consumption tax, the IRS will be in buisiness for a while yet. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

Aug 8, 2005, 07:45 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	rick hit the nail right on the head... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Aug 8, 2005, 09:24 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Caduceus Archconservative Posts: 33	I'd agree with you normally, but let's focus on getting rid of this atrocious national debt first. "Some vices miss what is right because they are deficient, others because they are in excess, in feelings or in actions, while virtue finds and chooses the means." --Aristotle, Ethica Nicomachea

Aug 8, 2005, 09:27 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Forseti Free market believer Location: Eugene OR Posts: 23	Example of why I hate the IRS. My Grandfather owed the IRS ten thousand dollars. His daghter opens a buisness and he is hired as a consultant and a book keeper (he was the one really running the show however). As a book keeper he wrote checks. Now here is when the IRS pisses me off. Since he was sighing the checks the IRS was able to put them selves in his place and take the ten thousand dollars from my Aunt. And it was all legal. So make sure the book keeper you hire does not owe any thing to the IRS (even if his signiture is worth less than the amount due the IRS can still take the owed amount).

Aug 8, 2005, 09:35 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Forseti Free market believer Location: Eugene OR Posts: 23	Our National debt is bad but our economy is more than able to handle it. That is if these fiscally minded republicans stop this over spending (notice the sarcasim when using fiscalley reasponible and rebulican in the same sentence.)

Aug 9, 2005, 12:05 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Forseti Free market believer Location: Eugene OR Posts: 23	If our goverment spent less money and stuck to a consumption tax we would be just fine. Not only would life be easier for the citizens but the goverment would be getting more than enough funds from the American public. We are the biggest consumers in the world after all. The fed has become far to big and far to powerful. A down sizing is needed. That would also mean less taxes. But i live in a wonderland if I were to believe our nations leaders would give up any amount of power for the mere cause of doing what is right and just.