Israel ranks among most corrupt in West

[grandpa]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Israel stole Lebanese topsoil, too. A nation of thieves...

The civil population of Lebanon lost the war (as if it can be adequately called a "war.")
As for the theft aspect, that's expected of states in general.

Grandpa h.

[Atlas]

The civil population of Lebanon lost the war (as if it can be adequately called a "war.") As for the theft aspect, that's expected of states in general.

Unlike the Israeli civilians in the north of the country, they had a jolly time playing beach volleyball all day...:rolleyes:

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Any credible link to you claim?

Do you deny the wrong-doing as you usually do in defending your TheifNation?

Israel never does anything wrong, huh? And if it does, it is justified.:rolleyes: This gets so old, shrike...

Science Blog -- SECURITY COUNCIL EXTENDS MANDATE OF INTERIM FORCE IN LEBANON UNTIL 31 JULY

Security Council - 5 - Press Release SC/6633 3970th Meeting (AM) 28 January 1999 In the ICA, Israel maintained a civil administration and security service, the Secretary-General reports. Infrastructure was improved with funds provided by the Government of Lebanon, but the ICA remained economically dependent on Israel, where more than 2,500 of the inhabitants go to work every day. Late in October, Israeli contractors removed topsoil from the al-Marj area and took it to Israel, but stopped after UNIFIL raised the issue with the IDF.

I am reminded of a story from the Bible. The original Israel, who was a man born with the name of Jacob, was a theif, too. He stole his brother's blessing from an aged, blind father... Maybe it's unrealistic to expect modern-day Israel to be honest...

[ise]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I am reminded of a story from the Bible. The original Israel, who was a man born with the name of Jacob, was a thief, too. He stole his brother's blessing from an aged, blind father... Maybe it's unrealistic to expect modern-day Israel to be honest...

God how do you...

I can't look crooked. I thought the water was bad enough but...

Next you'll be saying that he'd steal your dung and come back for the smell.

Myself, well I blame all those Russian mafia imports!:) They are only part-time Jews.

[shrike]

Israel never does anything wrong, huh? And if it does, it is justified. This gets so old, shrike... Science Blog -- SECURITY COUNCIL EXTENDS MANDATE OF INTERIM FORCE IN LEBANON UNTIL 31 JULY

Where did I said that?
Anyway blaming the whole nation for the action of few contractors is bigotry.

I am reminded of a story from the Bible. The original Israel, who was a man born with the name of Jacob, was a theif, too. He stole his brother's blessing from an aged, blind father... Maybe it's unrealistic to expect modern-day Israel to be honest...

What some fairytaile has to do with everything?

[Atlas]

I am reminded of a story from the Bible. The original Israel, who was a man born with the name of Jacob, was a theif, too. He stole his brother's blessing from an aged, blind father... Maybe it's unrealistic to expect modern-day Israel to be honest...

If you read the bible more throughly you'll see that it was a fair and square deal between Jacob and Esau, and he was the one trying to break it.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Where did I said that? Anyway blaming the whole nation for the action of few contractors is bigotry.

Not if what they are doing is in another nation's territory, occupied by your nation's military. See, nobody does anything without official permission by the occupation power. Don't act like the contractors didn't have approval.

Quote by: Atlas If you read the bible more throughly you'll see that it was a fair and square deal between Jacob and Esau, and he was the one trying to break it.

I know the Bible pretty well, and your take is mistaken...

[shrike]

Not if what they are doing is in another nation's territory, occupied by your nation's military. See, nobody does anything without official permission by the occupation power. Don't act like the contractors didn't have approval

Well you link don't really tells us more on the story. I really like to see reaction of Israeli government if really some corrupt clerk approved it. It doesn't mean the government approves it too. And even if the Government approves it too (and its apparently not the case) it doesn't mean the whole nation approves it. It's like saying the Americans supports every action by their government.

[Atlas]

I know the Bible pretty well, and your take is mistaken...

Lets check that, shall we ?

Genesis 25:29-34:

When Jacob had cooked stew, Esau came in from the field and he was famished; and Esau said to Jacob, 'Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished.' Therefore his name was called Edom. But Jacob said, 'First sell me your birthright.' Esau said, 'Behold, I am about to die; so of what use then is the birthright to me?' And Jacob said, 'First swear to me"; so he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew; and he ate and drank, and rose and went on his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright."

Fair & square, isn't it ? Says Esau hated the birthright, so much he wouldn't mind trading it by oath for a good meal.

Genesis 27:1:

And it came to pass, that when Isaac was old, and his eyes were dim, so that he could not see, he called Esau his eldest son, and said unto him, My son: and he said unto him, Behold, [here am] I.

As it continues Esau never even mentions to Isaac that he actually sold his blessing to Jacob when his father speaks of it. Only then it is told about the deception Jacob and his mother orchestrate to give Jacob what became rightfully his.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Atlas As it continues Esau never even mentions to Isaac that he actually sold his blessing to Jacob when his father speaks of it. Only then it is told about the deception Jacob and his mother orchestrate to give Jacob what became rightfully his.

The blessing and the birthright are two different items. Even if Jacob had "bought" his older brother's birthright for the equivalent of a hamburger, he still wasn't able to receive the blessing from the father in his own name. He lied, disguised himself and said he was Esau.

Not a real nice guy for "buying" the birthright from man who was famished for a meal, either. Not a lot of love for his brother there...And this is the cleaned up story told by his own descendants. The real story was likely far worse, but we can't know because the records are from the Israelites...

So we have cheating, lying and deceit by Israel to get something that rightfully belonged to his own brother. I wouldn't name an honorable nation after Israel. Then again, maybe they're proud of that aspect of their nation...

Israel is one of the planet's most godless societies. And my understanding is that when that occasion arose in the Bible narrative, (and it did) God saw fit to kick their ass for them.

[Atlas]

Quote by: PatrickHenry The blessing and the birthright are two different items. Even if Jacob had "bought" his older brother's birthright for the equivalent of a hamburger, he still wasn't able to receive the blessing from the father in his own name. He lied, disguised himself and said he was Esau.

The blessing was to be given to the one who has the birthright, therefore it was rightfully Jacob's, but Isaac didn't knew that, and Esau, apparently changing his mind about the birthright, did not admit to him admit he wasn't the one who should receive it.

Quote by: PatrickHenry Not a real nice guy for "buying" the birthright from man who was famished for a meal, either.

May be true, but the bible states the birthright didn't mean to him that much at the time, unlike for Jacob, his willingness to sell it by oath to Jacob for some food reflects his mocking of it.

Quote by: PatrickHenry Not a lot of love for his brother there...

Not a lot of love for his fathers heritage n Esau's part there...

Quote by: PatrickHenry And this is the cleaned up story told by his own descendants.

That story, and countless of other stories in which Hebrew ancestors and people are presented in a bad way as well as in the good way are just proofs of that nations objectivity toward itself and the ability to criticize itself constantly for its wrong doings, just like you see today from ise's sources.

Quote by: PatrickHenry The real story was likely far worse, but we can't know because the records are from the Israelites...

Doubt there even was a real story, it, not like latter ones, lacks historical support and might have been myth just like the myths of other nations.

Quote by: PatrickHenry So we have cheating, lying and deceit by Israel to get something that rightfully belonged to his own brother.

True about the deception, not true about rightfully belonging.

Quote by: PatrickHenry I wouldn't name an honorable nation after Israel. Then again, maybe they're proud of that aspect of their nation...

Or maybe that he was the sole patron of that nation, unlike Abraham and Isaac, that where fathers to other nations as well. Your speculation is way of line here, even the bible could tell you that.

Quote by: PatrickHenry Israel is one of the planet's most godless societies.

If it wasn't for Israel, you would still be worshiping idols now, how is that for godless ?

Quote by: PatrickHenry And my understanding is that when that occasion arose in the Bible narrative, (and it did) God saw fit to kick their ass for them.

Sins where committed by all ancient societies as the bible states many times, god saw fit to kick only the sons of Israel's ass because they where his chosen people, Israel, unlike any other society back there, does not portrait itself as a perfect one in its ancient texts.

[PatrickHenry]

So you you find Jacob's behavior honorable...interesting...I don't.

But, I'd say we have strayed from the topic...

[Atlas]

Quote by: PatrickHenry So you you find Jacob's behavior honorable...interesting...I don't.

I never said it was honorable, only not unjustified.

Quote by: PatrickHenry But, I'd say we have strayed from the topic...

To a very extent point, I might say, lets stop this here for now.