Opinions on Nader's decision?

Nader has announced that he'll run for president.

Personally, I'm pissed. Any other election and I wouldn't be bothered, but this election is too important to liberals like me. He's going to give votes to Bush, and for what? His ego.

Hopefully people will ignore him this year.

What do you think?

[RebelWithanAK]

He'll go down in history not as a consumer advocate, but as the guy who gave Bush eight years. And while Bush may have the SS, Nader's unprotected.

[bentodd]

I think the Green party shot themselves in the foot by running Ralph Nader in 2000. Now this year he will get a large % of the Green vote. The GP canidate for president will get next to nothing.

Personally I think Nader is a joke. I think this is hid forth time running, and he is even more of a socialist the the republicrats. My vote will go to Libertarian Gary Nolan. He is the only canidate who will bring the issues of smaller government to the mainstream.

http://www.garynolan.com

When will you stop Ben? Don't you have a mind? All the posts I read from you are the same. I don't mind that you're wasting your vote on some distorted belief that either party will listen to you, but stop making every topic an advertisement. I've come here to read about what people think, not what they have to paste like a drone into every single topic.

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And Rebel, yes you're right. Nader will go down in history as the man who gave Bush 8 years. I can't believe it.

[Impenitent]

nader is the democRATS perot...

go nader!

^ when imp is supporting Nader, you know he's trouble Seriousely though, Nader needs to be wiped out. Hopefully he won't get signatures.

[PeterAngelo]

LAW - in our system - is supposed to be based on case law and what "reasonable" people would agree to.

The checks and balances built into the system are supposed to prevent the perversion of this system and insure that every citizen can approach the "court" (as in the court of the king), present a grievance, and have the dispute resolved WITHOUT VIOLENCE.

It is also "HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANERS" for a sitting PRESIDENT to ILLEGALLLY DECLARE WAR BASED ON LIES.

The system has been deliberately perverted. It is not supposed to be impossible for an average citizen to "find a lawyer", or be effectively excluded form the justice system.

The law is SUPPOSED to include justice and mercy - it has been perverted to the point that everyone seems to accept today’s version that says, "If it is legal - it is ok".

IT IS NOT OK.

Laws that affect the lives of people HAVE to include reason, justice and mercy - that is what is missing.

Instead - we have evolved into a system that is run by ghouls who say,"ABRA CADABRA - IT"S LEGAL - THEREFORE YOU OBEY OR ELSE"

WRONG.

Bribery has been made legal - it is now called campaign financing.

Administrative agencies meant to protect us from corporate, and public abuse are used to PROTECT the corporations, public facilities, FROM US.

The savings and loan debacle was a scam made legal by Reagan’s -DEREGULATION. - Which lead to airline bailouts - stock market fraud - ENRON - and NAFTA (and all” outsourcing").

The phony WAR is keeping the airlines alive and the military-industrial complex is working overtime. This is being called GOOD for the economy.

LAW -is a euphemism for truth and justice - that is what is missing.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

Lies by liars to a lying culture of liars who lie to themselves and everyone else.

The Christians train their young to lie from birth with the "Santa Lie".

The end of my "QUEST" is already here - I understand that LYING and DISHONESTY are the roots of all evil - not money.

I do not want Islamic fundamentalism to replace Christian fundamentalism - they are identical - they are evil in their practice of murder by god.

We are now evil in our practice of murder by law and eternal war.

The ONLY candidate that makes sense (I just saw him announce his candidacy) is RALPH NADER.

He spoke every word I have written here - he wants to see BUSH impeached.

Ralph is the ONLY man in AMERICA who could pull this runaway wagon back on the road and stop the stampede to oblivion.

I haven't been active in a campaign in my life - or ever gave them a dime.

I will volunteer for Ralph, send money, and WRITE any speech he wants better than anyone else can - for free.

Want to do something worthwhile - GET RID OF THE ORGANIZED CRIME GANG PARTIES AND PUT A REAL PATRIOT IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT - THERE IS NO OTHER LEGITIMATE CHOICE.

[Jackney Sneeb]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)

RALPH NADAR FOR PRESIDENT - THERE IS NO OTHER LEGITIMATE CHOICE.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
It's "Nader," by the way. I would only add,

A VOTE FOR KERRY IS A VOTE FOR BUSH!

<snicker>

--Jackney Sneeb

[Jackney Sneeb]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dotComa,)
Nader has announced that he'll run for president.

Personally, I'm pissed. Any other election and I wouldn't be bothered, but this election is too important to liberals like me. He's going to give votes to Bush, and for what? His ego.

Hopefully people will ignore him this year.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
I suggest Nader petition the Treasury Department for Secret Service protection. There's no telling how desperate some DemocRATs could become if they think he might help Bush get elected. My question is, are you DemocRATs going to write George Bush a letter and politely ask him to let the guy who gets the most votes be president next time? If not, why isn't your voting just a meaningless ritual that Bush will use to claim he represents all Americans? You have already proved that you will let him steal an election, and act as if he is your legitimate Grand High Exalted Mysic Ruler. After all, I haven't seen any DemocRAT calling for resistance to Bush's tyranny. So, why not at least tell him your feelings about him refusing to honor your plebiscite? Maybe if you asked nicely, he might understand how profoundly his actions affect your emotional well-being.

A VOTE FOR KERRY IS A VOTE FOR BUSH!!

--Jackney Sneeb

[PeterAngelo]

Nader wants Bush impeached - finally a call for reason and justice.

Impeach this time for real "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" - like illegal war justified by lies and deception for oil - not a stinking BJ from a fatbroad.

That would be justice and a message to the world that we REALLY are a nation of laws - Bush should be the first American President tried at the Hague and executed for war crimes - like the NAZI - organized criminal he and his family are now and have always been.

Then get the Kennedy's, Rockefellers, Kissingers, Chaneys, etc.

Rev up the guillatine.

I need a picnic at the park like day's of old - it must have been GRAND to see the heads roll that ate ALL the cakes - for centuries.

BURP!!

[terstorm]

Nader is the Democratic Perot...yep...


Just wait till the Judge Roy Moore from Alabama runs (and I believe he will) on the Constitution Party Ticket. There goes Bush's evangelical vote.

[Jackney Sneeb]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)

That would be justice and a message to the world that we REALLY are a nation of laws<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
You're kidding -- right? You don't really believe that "nation of laws, not men," crap do you?

Myth of the Rule of Law

A VOTE FOR KERRY IS A VOTE FOR BUSH!

--Jackney Sneeb

[bmaestro]

Remember last time when the republican party paid for pro-nader ads again? That was dumb. I think that his decision is remarkably stupid, because the only goal to running presidential elections for the green party is to gain major-party status and have access to currently unavailible funds, to advance the party a little further. This is a really dumb election to do this because if the green party DOES gain major party status, those are votes for the most part taken from kerry, and basically, bush is back in office (something that no green voter would want). There's no way that the green party can win 5% or whatever they need and still ensure that bush doesn't make it into office. If you were nader, would you want major-party status for you party and a douche as president for another four? Because that's basically what they're aiming for here. Maybe they can pull it off with some more help from the republican party.

B

[lucas]

I'm just mad that Kerry is leading. I want Bush to leave, but Kerry isn't any better. Is is exactly the same as Bush. I wish Kucinich would win. It won't happen, though. I will still vote for him in the primary here.

Nader shouldn't get involved. While I do need a liberal in the White House, Nader isn't that person, and neither is Bush.

[bmaestro]

its just a fact that nader couldn't win it. he failed to even gain the greens major-party status, all the while hurting gore's election. whats to say the same can't happen this time around? I couldnt' care less whether the greens get major-party status right now, if another four years of bush is on the line.

kerry is an asshole. its true. he was in skull and bones at yale with bush, yada yada yada... its just that special interests have a lot more control over bush, and groups like the project for a new american century wouldn't have so much influence in policy in a democratic white house.

B

[Xicano82]

LOL, this is great. The Democrats are gona pay for bashing Dean as a lot of his and DK's supporters will prolly vote for Nader. There is no difference between Dems and Pugs. They both eat from the same corporate trough. If the democrats want the liberal vote, then they should be liberal.

[Sean]

Moved to featured topics.-it be a good starting topic. I'll do this with posts that I feel pose some good questions every so often.

[mooseboy84]

i think ralph nader is a joke. no one will vote for him and is impact will not be non existent. the media is inflating this guy to something beyond what he will actually acomplish in the election.

[libertyminded]

Man PeterAngelo... I don't think anyone else on this forum is as discombobulated as you are, sheesh... keep up with your meds.

I think Nader running again is great and not just because I hate the Democrats, but also because this 2 party system has become untennable. Any candidate out there that can siphon off significant amounts of votes from the major parties is alright by me. What irks me is that the Libertarian Party is by far the 3rd largest in the country and they get almost no press. The left wing media touts Nader around because they love his socialist agenda, even though the Green Party has no supporters outside of the Sierra Club and the PETA jerkoffs.

For all of you left wingers that are SOOO pissed about Nader running againg, get a grip. Nader will no more hand the election to Bush then the Libertarians will hand it to Kerry.

[ArtyP]

I think a lot of people here are being a bit harsh on Nader after all the great things he has done for "consumer rights". It is very easy to forget that, before Ralph Nader came along, consumers were among THE most disenfranchised minorities in this country. In many Southern states consumers couldn't vote, they couldn't intermarry and they had to use different drinking fountains from the rest of us.

Even in more Liberal enclaves like Manhattan and LA, in the days before Ralph Nader's iconoclastic "I Have A 10% Discount Coupon" speech, it was common for storefront signs to be emblazened with the legend "No Blacks. No Irish. No Consumers."

OK obviously I am joking.

In fact I sent a very encouraging letter to Ralph Nader's people today. They wanted suggestions for their campaign. And I was happy to oblige:

Dear Ideas,
As a lifelong Republican voter, naturally I was thrilled to hear that Mr Nader would once again be entering the presidential fray. Especially with recent opinion polls giving our president some cause for concern, the announcement certainly came at an extremely opportune time.

As someone who believes our great nation could well enter its very darkest hour should anyone but GW Bush be our president for the next 4 years, I now consider it my patriotic duty to do my level best to encourage the utmost success for Ralph Nader's presidential campaign.

I dropped by your site today to see how far your campaign had progressed, and of course it is early days but I could see a few obvious steps that you could take, so I was glad to see you were inviting suggestions from readers at this address.

I myself run a BlogForBush (www.BlogsForBush.com) along with a large number of likeminded individuals. Membership of BlogsForBush does not require that every blog entry be political, it is merely a kind of "club" for sympatico Bush Supporters. Each blog is linked from the central location, which also hosts a comment section where Bush supporters can congregate and share thoughts on the issues of the day.

Though this forum is by its nature pro-GOP, nonetheless alternative viewpoints are welcomed and encouraged - as long as the intent is to share views and not merely to antagonise.

It seems to me that on a very similar model a BlogsForNader site, could help to harness and unite disparate Nader supporters and give them a focal point. I did a google search on "BlogsForNader" just this morning, to check my idea had not already been put into practice, and it came up blank. Your site at www.votenader.org is fine as far as it goes but the lack of feedback BETWEEN supporters makes it somewhat dry, if I was to be harsh.

Additionally from the BlogsForBush site we run something called Wictory Wednesday. This is simply a blog roll of participating bloggers who once a week agree to run a specific fundraising entry and give a link to other participating Wictory Wednesday bloggers. You can get more information here (link provided).

Anyway if I can think of anything else I will let you know. I am sure you have already been inundated with good ideas from Bush voters like myself, equally eager to give your campaign all the encouragement we can, so I apologize for potential redundancy if I am just telling you ideas other Bush supporters have already given you.

Again best of luck in 2004. I, like all Bush supporters, will be cheering your efforts all the way to November!

Arty

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