Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset

[righthand]

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I reread this article and double checked its source before I could accept the stupidity of the 'victim' race. For a country that suffered anti-religious under the Nazis regime, it's unbelievable to me that it would so blatantly discriminate against it's fellow citizens. For course, a country that would attack an ally, murder 33 US crew men on 'USS Liberty', and nearly start WWIII for short term ends, is capable of anything. So, what's it all about.

Quote by: Israel/Occupied Territories: Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/...25704C005459AD According to the new Civil Torts (Liability of the State) Law, some three and a half million Palestinians who live under Israeli military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are considered "residents of a conflict zone". As such, they are denied the right to claim compensation for death, injury, or damage to property inflicted on them by Israeli forces. The law, which applies retroactively to incidents going back to September 2000, [b]applies only to Palestinians – not to Israelis who reside in the Occupied Territories in violation of international law....Its effect will be to deny a fundamental right to victims such as the ten children of Noha Maqadmeh, who became orphans and were rendered homeless after their pregnant mother was killed in her bed when her home collapsed as Israeli soldiers blew up a neighbouring house in the al-Bureij refugee camp in the Gaza Strip on 3 March 2003. Six nearby houses were also destroyed in the blast , leaving some 90 other people homeless and now with no prospect of any reparation for the wrong done to them. An amendment to the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Family Reunification Law) was also approved by 59 Israeli lawmakers on 27 July. It bars family unification for Israelis who are married to Palestinian women aged under 25 and to Palestinian men aged under 35. This law discriminates explicitly against Palestinians and also implicitly against Palestinian citizens of Israel, who constitute some 20 percent of the Israel's population, and against Palestinian Jerusalemites, as it is they almost exclusively who marry Palestinians from the Occupied Territories. This law formally institutionalizes a form of racial discrimination based on ethnicity or nationality . As such, it violates the absolute prohibition on discrimination set out in international human rights law,... Israel has ratified all of these treaties and is obliged to implement them. The exceptions allowed under the new law are based on age and gender and are arbitrary in nature. They will benefit only a small percentage of Israeli-Palestinian couples who seek family reunification, as most such couples get married at ages below those in the law. The new law will continue to affect thousands of couples, denying them the right to enjoy a normal family life by forcing many Israeli citizens to live apart from their Palestinian spouses or to move abroad in order to live together. Israeli officials have sought to justify the discriminatory provisions of the new law by reference to security considerations, notably the need to prevent Palestinians considered to pose a security threat from settling in Israel. In practice, however, they were able to deny admission to Israel to such Palestinians under existing legislation . Recent statements by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and other government ministers and officials suggest that the new law may in fact to be motivated primarily by demographic considerations

Not since the Poor Laws in Ireland during the Famine have I seen such repressive laws against a countries own citizens. When has a country last legislated to prevent citizens of marriage age marrying and if married, force them to live apart.

They basic concept of innocent until proven guilty does not appear to apply to Israeli citizen who are not jews. In there case the presumption is always guilty.

Then you see the vast billions of dollars that Israel wants from the US to withdraw from the West Bank you can see there is real money to be made in invading and withdrawing. Well there is when you have born-again 'christians' running the US administration. Withdrawal includes blowing up perfectly good housing judged 'too good' for the Palestinians.

Quote by: Sean , you still don't appear to have read my private message sent over a month ago. It's marked 'unread'.

[righthand]

Update on policy of knocking houses.

[center] Israel to demolish homes in village for collaborators PEOPLES DAILY Online ....UPDATED: 15:46, August 10, 2005[/center] The Israeli army decided to demolish dozens of houses in the Dahneya village in southern Gaza on the Egyptian-Palestinian borders, which was inhabited by Palestinian collaborators with Israel, Palestinian security sources said on Wednesday. The sources said that an Israeli ministerial committee was formed to examine who of those collaborators deserves to stay in Israel and to be evacuated with the settlers after implementing the Gaza withdrawal plan. The families of collaborators from Dahneya had appealed to the Israeli High Court of Justice, demanding compensation and right to move to live in Israel as part of implementing the disengagement plan. There are 67 families live in the village. Meanwhile, Israeli Radio reported that an Israeli committee that is composed of Defense minister Shaoul Mofaz, Interior Minister Ophir Pines-Paz and Justice Minister Tzipi Livni will meet to discuss the issue of the families from Dahneya. Dahneya area is considered the base for collaborators with Israel in the Gaza Strip, which was built by Israel on the Palestinian-Egyptian borders in Rafah in the early eighties to protect collaborators flee the strip. Israel is proposing that the families would probably receive temporary residency in Israel after they appealed to the Israeli High Court of Justice. The families of collaborators were afraid if the Israeli army leaves the Gaza Strip and they are kept in the village, they might be prosecuted and killed by the Palestinians for helping and supporting the Israeli army. Source: Xinhua

What did the houses do on them. This is only equalled by their knocking down perfectly good houses that the departing settlers are vacating.

[center] Israel, Palestinians agree settlement rubble deal Source: Reuters ...09 Aug 2005 20:44:16 GMT[/center]

[righthand]

[center] Was UK peace activist responsible for his own murder?

Soldier gets 8 yrs for killing Hurndall {PRESS Here}

JERUSALEM POST ...6 Av 5765, Thursday, August 11, 2005 20:17 IST ...
By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH and AP [/center]

Former IDF soldier Taysir Hayb was sentenced by a military court to eight years in prison for manslaughter in the fatal shooting of British activist Tom Hurndall in April, 2003. The case marked the first time a soldier has been found guilty of killing a foreign citizen during more than four years of Palestinian-Israeli violence. Hayb, who was convicted in June for shooting the pro-Palestinian activist in the head during an army operation in the Gaza Strip, received ten years for manslaughter, three years of which were a suspended sentence. Hayb, a Beduin Arab, was sentenced to an additional year for obstruction of justice and six months of that offence was suspended, leaving him a total of eight years in prison.

I restate " The case marked the first time a soldier has been found guilty"

But more importantly is "Hayb, a Beduin Arab". [center]Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset {PRESS} [/center]

An amendment to the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Family Reunification Law) was also approved by 59 Israeli lawmakers on 27 July. It bars family unification for Israelis who are married to Palestinian women aged under 25 and to Palestinian men aged under 35. This law discriminates explicitly against Palestinians and also implicitly against Palestinian citizens of Israel, who constitute some 20 percent of the Israel's population, and against Palestinian Jerusalemites

So its OK to have a Beduin Arab found guilty of murder. Doubt my belief that Israel is Racist?

Check out the last paragraph of the JERUSALEM POST

Hurndall was a member of the International Solidarity Movement, whose activists often place themselves between Israeli forces and Palestinians to try to stop the Israeli military from carrying out operations, ignoring orders to leave closed areas. Israel complains the protesters are endangering themselves and the soldiers with their activities.

So, peaceful activist=endangering themselves=dead and so justified except for a Beduin Arab, who is sacrificed. Sound like another type of suicide mission.

I'm learning that the best is always in the last paragraph. Then you know that they REALLY think.
[center]Soldier gets 8 yrs for killing Hurndall {PRESS}
[/center]

[righthand]

[center] IS ISRAEL RACIST.
That's not a question. In moves reminiscent of the UK hiving off six of the nine Ulster counties to insure a loyalist majority, Israel intends repeating the same.

Reuters - Israel bars Gaza settlement visitors before pullout ...{Press now} [/center]

Non-Jews now outnumber Jews in Israel and the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, but the planned Israeli pullout from Gaza will ensure a Jewish majority in the other two areas for two decades, a study showed on Thursday. REUTERS/PETER ANDREWS Israeli religious rightists condemn the plan, saying it forsakes Jewish claims to biblical land and rewards a Palestinian uprising that began in 2000. Ultra-nationalist settlers and their supporters have mounted months of protests, at times violent, to overturn the Israeli parliament's approval of the plan to evacuate all 21 settlements in Gaza and four of 120 in the West Bank

[center]
Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset [/center]

Palestinians welcome the prospect but suspect Sharon devised the plan as a smokescreen to cement Israel's hold on much larger West Bank settlement blocs he says are strategically vital. Around 240,000 settlers live in fortified enclaves among 3.8 million Palestinians, who fear rapid settlement growth in the West Bank will strip them of land central to their dream of a viable state. The West Bank is 15 times the size of tiny Gaza. (Additional reporting by Jonathan Saul in Pe'at Sadeh and Matt Spetalnick in Tel Aviv)

[center] Reuters - Israel bars Gaza settlement visitors before pullout ...{Press now}
Source: Reuters ...11 Aug 2005 17:20:04 GMT ... By Mark Heinrich[/center]

JERUSALEM, Aug 11 (Reuters) - Israel shut Jewish settlements in Gaza to non-residents on Thursday to choke off a quiet influx of rightist radicals bent on obstructing a pullout from the occupied territory due to begin next week. The move, taken two days ahead of schedule, betrayed concern that hundreds of radical Jews who entered settlements with temporary visitor passes were digging in to reinforce resistance to evacuation vowed by hard-line settlers.

[righthand]

AMNESTY, but not on thread.
On Tuesday, Amnesty International declared Kevin Benderman a "prisoner of conscience" and is seeking his immediate release.

[center]USA: Prisoner of conscience, Kevin Benderman
full story
USA Kevin Benderman (m), aged 40, US army sergeant...09 August 2005[/b][/center]

On 28 July, a US court-martial sentenced Sergeant Kevin Benderman to 15 months' imprisonment, after he refused to return for a second tour of duty with the US army in Iraq. Amnesty International considers him to be a prisoner of conscience, imprisoned solely for his conscientious objection to the war in Iraq. Kevin Benderman has served as an army mechanic for 10 years. He served in Iraq from March to September 2003 but refused to deploy to Iraq a second time, citing his moral and religious objections to the war in Iraq, which developed in response to his experiences as a soldier in Iraq. In his conscientious objector application filed on 28 December 2004, Kevin Benderman explains how his religious studies of both the Bible and the Qu’ran, coupled with his experiences, led him to develop objections to the war. He described the devastation he witnessed as his unit drove to their destination:

[CENTER]============================[/CENTER]

In this open letter to President Bush, the wife of a soldier imprisoned for objecting to the war makes the case for peace.

[CENTER] 'There is No Enemy Greater Than Ourselves'[/CENTER]
[CENTER] full letter [/CENTER]

As I am certain you are all aware, my husband, Sgt. Kevin Benderman, was sentenced to 15 months confinement, loss of rank, forfeiture of pay and a dishonorable discharge last week, the charge being "Missing Movement" or failure to get on a plane. In actuality, the charge was "filing a Conscientious Objector packet against the recommendation of his commander, who had no intention of allowing my husband to follow his conscience, and therefore serving notice to the rest of our military that they should not follow suit."

[Hermes]

Quote by: righthand AMNESTY, but not on thread. On Tuesday, Amnesty International declared Kevin Benderman a "prisoner of conscience" and is seeking his immediate release. [center]USA: Prisoner of conscience, Kevin Benderman full story USA Kevin Benderman (m), aged 40, US army sergeant...09 August 2005[/b][/center] [CENTER]============================[/CENTER] In this open letter to President Bush, the wife of a soldier imprisoned for objecting to the war makes the case for peace. [CENTER] 'There is No Enemy Greater Than Ourselves'[/CENTER] [CENTER] full letter [/CENTER]

He is lucky he only got 15 months. He should be shot.

He won't however, as we have to deal with the press and his wife's letters to the editor.

As far as I am aware the military is voulantary,; if you sign up you, go were they tell you to go and do what they they trained you to do.

Any Republic that can not maintaim military discipline is eventually defeated and subjugated.

[Hermes]

maintaim = maintain

sorry, I cant find the spell checker

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Hermes He is lucky he only got 15 months. He should be shot.

Refusing to fight because of your conscience isn't worthy of a firing squad. Especially when treasonous fucks like Ollie North get doodley squat for selling rockets to the enemy while in uniform and then run for US Senate on a Republican ticket, heh.

Amnesty was a source for Rummy when he wanted to attack and sieze Iraq, but now they are saying the US shouldn't be torturing. So now BushCo and the Republican spin machine are saying Amnesty is a crummy org. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/060205X.shtml

And on topic about the Jim Crow laws Israel is pasting up: My opinion is that Zionism is racism, based upon Jewish Supremecism. God's chosen people and all that. So therefore they can do anything to anybody else, because they're the Kings and you're nothin'!

[shrike]

And on topic about the Jim Crow laws Israel is pasting up: My opinion is that Zionism is racism, based upon Jewish Supremecism. God's chosen people and all that. So therefore they can do anything to anybody else, because they're the Kings and you're nothin'

Did you read this laws or just a spam that righthand posted?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Did you read this laws or just a spam that righthand posted?

Got a link? (in English?)

[shrike]

ok I didn't found the laws in English but here is a most important part

The Damages Law established that "the state is not responsible for damage done to someone who is the subject of an enemy state, or someone who is a member of a terrorist group, or someone who was hurt while working on behalf of either one." ... The state argued that in a war between two countries each side takes care of its own wounded. However, in the case of Israel, the state ends up being forced to take care of Israeli casualties and to field Palestinian lawsuits.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...118987,00.html
So the first law has nothing to do with race. And I think its logical that every state in war take care of his citizens and not the enemy ones
Yes the second law does target nationality but it's a temporary law that will expire in year.
And its limit only potential terrorists to enter the state.
For example USA is in war with Canada and there is some Canadian that can be potentially terrorists' wants to enter USA for various reasons wont it be logical to limit this at least for the time of war.

The Knesset voted on Wednesday on law to limit citizenship rights of Palestinians married to Israeli citizens, the law passed by 59-12. According to the approved law, the state will discuss citizenship applications only if the Palestinian man is 35 years old and older, and if the women are 25 years old and older. The new decision is related to an “emergency measure” approved by the Knesset and was due to expire on July 31, 2005. The “emergency measure” barres the Palestinians from becoming Israeli citizens under family reunification policies. The amendment, to the Citizenship Law, which was approved on Wednesday, is claimed to “ease” the Israeli emergency regulations by allowing Palestinians to become Israeli citizens. The new law remains part of the law limitations on family unification which was previously considered temporary by the Knesset. Also on Wednesday, the Knesset plenum approved amendments to a law called “Intifada law”, in order to limit the ability of Palestinian residents to sue Israel for damage occurred during the Intifada. The amendments passed by 54-15 in the second and third readings of the law which was submitted by the government, one abstention was reported in the vote.

http://www.imemc.org/index.php?optio...902&Itemid=143

[crossfire]

Real hypocrisy (on this thread and with Amnesty as ever) - the Arabs seek the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews - who according to most Islamic commentators and preachers will "go to hell" anyway.

Yet Israel decides that the very same people who would kill them are not to be classed as ISRAELIS (its nothing to do with Jews) and suddenly people are complaining that the Arabs are not to be allowed to be Israelis!!!!????

Come on - let's have less hypocrisy and more consistency from the Islamo-fascists and Amnesty terrorist supporters please.

[righthand]

crossfire Real hypocrisy (on this thread and with Amnesty as ever) - the Arabs seek the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews - who according to most Islamic commentators and preachers will "go to hell" anyway. Yet Israel decides that the very same people who would kill them are not to be classed as ISRAELIS (its nothing to do with Jews) and suddenly people are complaining that the Arabs are not to be allowed to be Israelis!!!!???? Come on - let's have less hypocrisy and more consistency from the Islamo-fascists and Amnesty terrorist supporters please.

Crossfire, I'm afraid your firing blanks. I'd get it seen to. There maybe hope for you.

Think of it in terms of the Native American. If a few of them killed some WASPs, would your solution be to:
1. Strip all of them of their American citizenship, in the land they more right to citizenship than any WASP.
2. Ship them off to some artificial reservation where they would have no rights.

If this needs further explanation, I can explain it more detail.

An item by Ola Coren from HAARATZ may help your cause -hopeless causes.

[righthand]

shrike OK I didn't found the laws in English but here is a most important part The Damages Law established that "the state is not responsible for damage done to someone who is the subject of an enemy state, or someone who is a member of a terrorist group, or someone who was hurt while working on behalf of either one." ... The state argued that in a war between two countries each side takes care of its own wounded. However, in the case of Israel, the state ends up being forced to take care of Israeli casualties and to field Palestinian lawsuits.

Who "who is the subject of an enemy state". What enemy state. Palestine was a state but is not now nor for decades.

"Someone who is a member of a terrorist group". You have sought evidence before accepting any argument and I am glad that you have that approach. Now in most states the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty". Does this basic concept not exist in Israel. I have no problem with your statement as such, but you have a presumption of guilt without evidence. By your logic all Palestinians are terrorist without any evidence. Now I'm sure you don't think that yourself, but you must be clear on this point.

I didn't know that there was a state of in Palestine? Please explain your quote in the context of Israel and who ever you are in a state of war with. "In a war between two countries each side takes care of its own wounded," yes but do you think that applies here. Fielding lawsuits is the norm, but not just those of a favoured ethnic group. Passing laws in breach of International just doesn't cut no matter what the 'security concerns'.

The world's attention is focused on the "plight" of settler-colonists from the Gaza Strip and some in the West Bank, who have to leave their homes. However, we have to remember that the settlements were illegally-constructed in the first place and that the settlers will receive substantial compensation. But without exception settlers knew that they were moving to an area that was conquered in war. In contracts for the sale or rental of land in the occupied territories there was a clause that explicitly stated their temporary nature. Jeff Handmaker and Adri Nieuwhof comment that, while US-taxpayers foot the bill for the so-called pull-out, virtually no attention is being paid to Palestinians whose property has been demolished over the years, not to mention those who were deprived of their homeland since 1948.

from ...[center] Compensation if you are displaced, unless you are Palestinian
Jeff Handmaker and Adri Nieuwhof ...15 August 2005

[/center]
"The settlers will receive substantial compensation". The joke is that it is US money that will pay this compensation. The double whammy is that US money probably built them first. Care to guess whose money will rebuilt the half size Palestine houses!

[shrike]

Who "who is the subject of an enemy state". What enemy state. Palestine was a state but is not now nor for decades

There was never an independent state in this area since the destruction of last Jewish state until 1948.

"Someone who is a member of a terrorist group". You have sought evidence before accepting any argument and I am glad that you have that approach. Now in most states the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty". Does this basic concept not exist in Israel. I have no problem with your statement as such, but you have a presumption of guilt without evidence. By your logic all Palestinians are terrorist without any evidence. Now I'm sure you don't think that yourself, but you must be clear on this point.

Of course you right if he think he is not member of terrorist group he can go to court to get the compensation if he really deserves it.

I didn't know that there was a state of in Palestine? Please explain your quote in the context of Israel and who ever you are in a state of war with. "In a war between two countries each side takes care of its own wounded," yes but do you think that applies here. Fielding lawsuits is the norm, but not just those of a favoured ethnic group. Passing laws in breach of International just doesn't cut no matter what the 'security concerns'.

You right there is no state by the name of Palestine so the only last part of the law applicable towards I/P conflict.

Fielding lawsuits is the norm, but not just those of a favoured ethnic group

What are you talking about?

[Sean]

righthand, go easy on the multiple posts before anyone gets to reply. Bumping your own topics is not cool.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Hello Righthand, I don't know why you had to feature venom at Christianity when you say "born-again 'christians' running the US administration".

Granted, the United States Declaration of Independence and Constitution were founded by mostly white Christian guys, and I will also say that in general, the USA's laws tend to mirror the Ten Commandments by the time you get done with the thousands upon thousands of laws. Yet, even at it's inception, the old wise mostly Christian white guys that formed the United States in the 1700s sought to separate the Republic from any attempts at theocracy.

George Bush is some form of Christian I guess, but what happens in the United States also mostly takes the Congress, Senate and Courts to go forward.
This is a President of all the people and Americans in general don't care what you want to worship as long as you don't harm others while doing so. (radical Islam an example of a problem)

From the tone of your presentation regarding the Jews, payments from America and the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel, I take it you say this is all for the bucks with some evil intent.
I think it is much more complicated than that. Even if they have citizenship, I believe the Jews do have to worry that the Palestinians with citizenship are as likely to attack them as the rest. Based on decades of such displays of violence, who can blame the Jews for being squeamish.

Regarding Amnesty International:
"Unfortunately, like almost all international and most domestic groups, the Left took over Amnesty International, and it devolved into another predictably anti-American, morally destructive organization.

Amnesty International listed the United States as a major violator of human rights because it executed murderers. The organization's inability to morally distinguish between executing murderers and executing innocent people means that Amnesty International is worse than ineffectual; the good it has done notwithstanding, it is becoming harmful to the cause of human rights." by Dennis Prager

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0605/prager060705.php3

[righthand]

No surprise god is here too - only joking

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god is everywhere - only joking
god can do no wrong - only joking
god is protected - only joking
god is a racist - only joking
god is a bigot - only joking
god listens to no one - not even the other god - only joking
god aka KKK - only joking
god is blind - sees what she wishes - only joking
god types curds faster than a rattler - only joking
god is knows everything - only joking
god knows nothing - only joking
god knows we need her to show how much we know compared to god - only joking
god can see up her ass - only joking
god speaks up his ass - only joking
god cra_s - only joking
god is here - only joking
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god is everywhere - only joking
god can do no wrong - only joking
god is protected - only joking
seen it all before so has god - only joking
god is a racist - only joking
god is a bigot - only joking
god listens to no one - not even the other god - only joking
god aka KKK - only joking
god is blind - sees what she wishes - only joking
god types curds faster than a rattler - only joking
god is knows everything - only joking
god knows nothing - only joking
god knows we need he to show how much we know compared to god - only joking
god can see up her ass - only joking
god speaks up his ass - only joking
god speaks out her ass - only joking
god cra_s - only joking
god cra_s a lot - only joking
god cra_s more than everyone - only joking
god is the record cra__er - only joking
god is a broken record - only joking
god holds the record for the most cr__ - only joking
god is protected - only joking
I'm mortal, I'm not - only joking
mortals get warned - only joking
god doesn't - only joking

every term here has been used to god. I cannot list them, That's god's job. Mere mortal cannot help god. - only joking

[righthand]

Who "who is the subject of an enemy state". What enemy state. Palestine was a state but is not now nor for decades Shrike There was never an independent state in this area since the destruction of last Jewish state until 1948

As an Irishman, who in his youth gloried in the gore of Leon Uris books and the death of innocent Palestinians, your denial of Palestinian rights can only be seen in the following scenario.

When there was a last High King of All Ireland in the distant past, there was no UN or other body to establish nationhood. A first hurdle to nationhood we had to establish was that right. This was unlike in the case of the US, where they were both from the mother nation, and so the new artificial nation was acceptable. They would not give us equal status as english either. Yes, then we were Irish but no nationhood. Rebellion was the only accepted method of indicating our desire for nationhood. The Famine is still the largest catastrophe to hit any nation. NO loses come close. Then I could fill pages but replaying the past is not my purpose.

When England did decide it was time to go they retained six of nine counties of the northern province of Ulster. There are HUGE similarities with that and the artificial state being created today to give an ARTIFICIAL MAJORITY to your state. You are guaranteeing future problems. When the swing goes the other way in the US, it is most certain that your state will be the victim of the blame game consequent. But that is still not my scenario.

Suppose when England was pulling out, it believed it could solve an other problem of its own at the expense of Irish. This notion isn't preposterous. England left the start of a civil war in EVERY (except one) country that it vacated. So in addition to the one that they left for Ireland they also decided a different future for an additional two or three counties. The first Gulf war is a sequel to a similar division of Iraq!

SCENARIO: Large Jewish population in Limerick. Pay for all the Jews in Dublin, London, Liverpool, from wherever. Arm them to the teeth. Get American backing. Offer transport to move out the natives. Offer the rest of the bloody Irish what is left of their country. Declare the new Free State of Western Israel. What have the natives to complain about. That had no country and now they do.

Leaving aside the dubious legal entitlement from the bible, please argue against my scenario vis-a-vis today.

I will come back with replies to your other points, if 'Sean' allows me. By the way, I admire your courage attempting to defend the indefensible.

I also hope to open a thread on the courage of your soldiers and police in facing those acid throwing, illegal, 'terrorists' as seen live on CNN. No one else in this forum has. What kept the US enthralled for days does not merit a mention.

Is there a new state policy in dealing with 'dissent'. Is the eight bullets in the face - test in London with training in Israel - no longer in vogue.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: righthand No surprise god is here too - only joking god is here - only joking god is there - only joking BLA BLA BLA

We get it, you can't post anything reasonable so you spam your own thread.