2008 Presidential Election

[zynner]

Quote by: lsbskins1 zynner- If I was a Jew, living in Bizzaro world and Benito was running against Adolf, and I wanted to survive to vote in another election, you can bet your ass I would vote for the bald guy. Especially if I knew that ALL the really hard core Jew haters would be voting for Hitler and they were 49% of the population and the remaining votes would either oppose Hitler together or split between 2 guys, both of which were better than Hitler, but neither of which could win if one side or the other got more than 2 % of the vote. Play the game by the real rules and not by the ones you wish were written on the back of the box.

You are under the illusion that Benito and Adolph are not on the same team. To vote for either is to vote against your own best interests.

Some things are better slow, like sex and the last two minutes of a basketball game. But tyranny ain't one of 'em.

~ zynner

[Morgan_Freeman]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel So you believe they are mindless because? Why? Because they dont speak American English? Your arrogance is showing.

If asserting that fish are mindless counts as "arrogance", then I'm proud to be called arrogant.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel You may not have noticed our herding and flocking is a bit looser, but we to tend to connect with our own kind.

"Connecting" with other humans is not even vaguely analogous to "herding" or "flocking". This is absurd. Maybe you flock, I don't know, but speak for yourself man.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Iraq war: The dems were provided fixed/rigged intelligence. John Conyers said "If you were given the intelligence that we were given, you would have voted for the war too "

Horseshit. They accepted that intellegence gladly and wholeheartedly, without an ounce of criticism.

"But how could we have ever known that the president would try to dupe us???!!!"
say the senators, sucking their thumbs and holding their comfort blankets.

Answer: Cut the crap. You knew it was a scam all along, or didn't care. No one in the halls of Congress is that naive. If they are, then they don't belong there.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel They did not have subpoena powers (being the minority. They had to use what they were given, and just blindly trust that it was true)

Care to elaborate on this? For what possible reason would someone have to "just trust what they were given"?

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Patriot Act: Was signed without being read the first time, this last week it was signed by Dems only after some revisions were made

I rest my case.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel . When the act was 1st passed it was under threat of death. The only targets for anthrax letters , were those who spoke out against the act.

Even if this far-fetched scenario is true, it hardly constitutes an excuse to vote in favor of the Act. What are you saying, that our legislators are just a bunch of scared puppets, who are doing whatever they can to avoid being killed? Absurd. It's the fucking UNITED STATES CONGRESS. If they aren't MAN enough to do their damn job, I say they resign and let someone in who can.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Also they had no subpoena powers and could not assemble to debate the act due to the bullshit expediency required.

I have no idea what you mean by this. Explain.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel They didnt have time to physically read the damned thing.

What a crock of shit. If a legislator hasn't read the bill being voted on, he has no business voting for it! You're talking about these people, the highest legislators in the land, like they're a bunch of kindergarteners!

(If only that were true -- instead they're a bunch of corrupt liars)

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The urgency of 911 (dubious imho) demanded swift passage.

Clear nonsense. What urgency? The thing had already happened. The perps were all dead.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I dont like defending them. They should have stood up for what is right.

Then why are you defending them???

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel But the Anthrax attacks on Daschle and Leahy, DID influence the voting on the Patriot Act, equal to the Reichstag Fire influencing the vote for the 1933 Enabling Law in Nazi Germany.

So you're comparing the US Congress to a bunch of corrupt, incompetent Germans in the Nazi era?

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Anthrax attacks were against another enemy of the bush administration.

Oh brother. I guess it's never occured to you that these attacks could have been fakes, planted by congressional Democrats in order to provide an excuse for them voting for the PATRIOT Act.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Splinter groups are cute, but we are talking Mass Murder here. Grow a brain, rise up as one against the Tyrant we know.

Talk is cute. I say they're ALL tyrants, and Bush just happens to be the one in power.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Ron Paul has an (R) after his name. And hes a Libertarian? So Are Libertarians more Reich than Left? Now, I doubt I will ever be a Libertarian.

Because libertarians sometimes run as Republicans? Now THAT's divisive partisan nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Once again, great post Milton, and I agree 100% If the next elections debates dont allow all parties equal debate among all participants, I vote for revolt.

I think our country could use a little "political healing." A good revolt might do us good.

[Osborn F Enready]

SoccerfreakAB2 said: I think our country could use a little "political healing." A good revolt might do us good.

I say:
I agree with that too.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Sorry about the delay. I needed a day off.

Quote by: Morgan_Freeman "Connecting" with other humans is not even vaguely analogous to "herding" or "flocking". This is absurd. Maybe you flock, I don't know, but speak for yourself man.

Sure it is especially in the context of voting. And the shopping holy days. And sporting events. And Movies. And Concerts. And the beach. And the slopes. And the State Fair etc. Always looking for a reason to bleat, chirp and murmur in unity. We are still animals, only our egos tell us different.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Iraq war: The dems were provided fixed/rigged intelligence. John Conyers said "If you were given the intelligence that we were given, you would have voted for the war too " Quote by: Morgan Horseshit. They accepted that intellegence gladly and wholeheartedly, without an ounce of criticism.

You are just making that up.

CNN Senate Approves Iraq War Resolution Administration applauds vote Friday, October 11, 2002 Posted: 12:35 PM EDT (1635 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions. Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133. The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

Yeah, "one voice", my ass. I see more than "an ounce of criticism". I believe something as serious as human lives shouldnt be murdered with less than 2/3 vote of a bunch of fat rich white men, bent on profiteering and mayhem.

Quote by: Morgan "But how could we have ever known that the president would try to dupe us???!!!" say the senators, sucking their thumbs and holding their comfort blankets. Answer: Cut the crap. You knew it was a scam all along, or didn't care. No one in the halls of Congress is that naive. If they are, then they don't belong there.

Yes, I knew it was a scam. Plenty of us knew it was a scam. Not much we could do about it. I am not going to pretend to know why anyone would believe anything that spews like fresh steamy shit from the mouth of GWB. Alas they do, and hundreds of thousands of innocents are slain and maimed and impoverished. May Dubya live a long and tortured life.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel They did not have subpoena powers (being the minority. They had to use what they were given, and just blindly trust that it was true) Quote by: Morgan Care to elaborate on this? For what possible reason would someone have to "just trust what they were given"?

Dems in Congress are treated with disdain by the ruling party. Maybe you have been asleep. Dems were under the impression that the UN weapons inspections would be completed. When word was coming back to the White House that there were no wmds, junior warned the UN to git out or die with the infidels......

Link On October 10, 2002, Rep. Waxman voted for resolution H.J.Res. 114, authorizing the use of military force to ensure Iraq's disarmament of weapons of mass destruction. He did so with the expectation that a strong bipartisan stand in Congress would pressure the United Nations to carry out its responsibilities to enforce its own resolutions and because he believed it was necessary to send a tough message for Saddam Hussein to understand he would have to comply. Strong congressional support for H.J.Res. 114 led to unanimous UN Security Council support for Resolution 1441, which called for Iraq's disarmament and full cooperation with UN weapons inspectors. Rep. Waxman grew concerned, however, about President Bush’s push for unilateral action without the support of the international community. On January 24, 2003, he joined more than 130 Members of Congress in a letter urging President Bush to work with the United Nations and our international partners. On March 17, 2003, Rep. Waxman called for an investigation of the revelation that the President relied on false intelligence sources to present the case for war with Iraq to the American people and the United Nations. On June 26, 2003, he introduced H.R. 2625, which would establish an Independent Commission on Intelligence about Iraq - modeled after the September 11 Commission - to examine pre-war intelligence and the representations made by executive branch officials about Iraqi efforts to develop and deploy weapons of mass destruction.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Patriot Act: Was signed without being read the first time, this last week it was signed by Dems only after some revisions were made Quote by: Morgan I rest my case.

I can and do admit when both parties are wrong.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel . When the act was 1st passed it was under threat of death. The only targets for anthrax letters , were those who spoke out against the act. Even if this far-fetched scenario is true, it hardly constitutes an excuse to vote in favor of the Act. What are you saying, that our legislators are just a bunch of scared puppets, who are doing whatever they can to avoid being killed? Absurd. It's the fucking UNITED STATES CONGRESS. If they aren't MAN enough to do their damn job, I say they resign and let someone in who can.

Yes, scared puppets; and I agree they should resign. But who is going to screen out the new batch of Fear Mongers? It all comes back to the culture of fear. Without Colin Powells little vial of baking soda and Condis imaginary MUSHROOM COUD!!!!!! Cheney doesnt get his $20,000.00 (plus) per day from vested interests

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Also they had no subpoena powers and could not assemble to debate the act due to the bullshit expediency required. I have no idea what you mean by this. Explain.

That the minority has no subpoena powers, may be another issue that may not matter much in the Patriot act issue, you are right. As for the expediency part though, bush was beating the war drums and the reich was playing the "Patriotic Card", meanwhile destroying what makes America worth being patriotic about. None of the dems should have voted for it. But they were basically threatened with being considered unpatriotic for questioning the powers that be.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel They didnt have time to physically read the damned thing. Quote by: Morgan What a crock of shit. If a legislator hasn't read the bill being voted on, he has no business voting for it! You're talking about these people, the highest legislators in the land, like they're a bunch of kindergarteners! (If only that were true -- instead they're a bunch of corrupt liars)

I agree they are corrupt. And I dont understand why they had to push this through 45 days after 911. I understand it was written during reagan era and was shot down in congress.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The urgency of 911 (dubious imho) demanded swift passage.

Clear nonsense. What urgency? The thing had already happened. The perps were all dead.

Thats why I said dubious. They were working the whole patriotic America at War gig. And working it hard. Remember the whole bush crapola about "Wit us or agin us. If you aint wit us, you are wit the terrist" line ? Congress HAD to play along, or commit political suicide. Thank God for a few brave souls who stood up for the truth. It damn sure wasnt anyone from the Reich Wing.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I dont like defending them. They should have stood up for what is right. Quote by: Morgan Then why are you defending them???

I am trying to reconstruct the crime. The worse offenders were the ruling party. But you have to remember how far criticism will go against a tyrant.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel But the Anthrax attacks on Daschle and Leahy, DID influence the voting on the Patriot Act, equal to the Reichstag Fire influencing the vote for the 1933 Enabling Law in Nazi Germany. So you're comparing the US Congress to a bunch of corrupt, incompetent Germans in the Nazi era?

Pretty much. Yep.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The Anthrax attacks were against another enemy of the bush administration. Quote by: M Oh brother. I guess it's never occured to you that these attacks could have been fakes, planted by congressional Democrats in order to provide an excuse for them voting for the PATRIOT Act.

Possible, I suppose. I dont believe so. But feel free.

They didnt need another reason besides the durress of the sneer and the smirk.
They could, after all be arrested without due process, charge, attorney and for an indefinite time frame. Why would they need to fake anything with these legit threats hanging over their heads.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: PatrickHenry On the election of the next President: When will there be someone from outside the establishment? What does it take to have someone elected who is not a part of the conspiracy against freedom?

When people give up this idiotic notion that voting for "third party" candidates is a wasted vote.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I would vote Libertarian too, but only if they poll somewhere close to 33%. If they poll at less than 20 percent I will definitely vote Dem. I refuse to disrespect my vote by throwing it away.

Third parties become viable when people vote for them. It's the lie of the Republicrats that voting third party is a wasted vote. DON'T GIVE IN TO THE LIE!

[gr8fuldaniel]

It's the lie of the Republicrats that voting third party is a wasted vote. DON'T GIVE IN TO THE LIE!

Well, Its the lie that turned out to be true the last two major elections.

If you really believe anybody ever really counts the votes.

It seems like a royal waste of time to argue about elections, sometimes.

The election is decided by the oligarchy that we never see. The monied power will not leave it up to us to decide something they have so much invested in. And now its all electronic, Bullshit.

A 9 year old can swap the vote.

Its almost useless to talk about it.
Who knows.
Somebody may snap and actually do something about it. Somebody with power.

[Osborn F Enready]

It will stay this way until people wake up to the fact that two selections is an ULTIMATUM, and not a CHOICE.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready It will stay this way until people wake up to the fact that two selections is an ULTIMATUM, and not a CHOICE.

You stole my line. ( However, since it was used correctly, I won't deduct any points. )


Cough, but yeah, what he said!

[Osborn F Enready]

Your right Milton, I did.

Daniel giving me openings like that, hard to pass up.

Since when is picking between evil and eviler, a choice?

Would you like butt raped, or face raped? Some choice!

[Osborn F Enready]

Heres an example of our bi-partisan system theory applied to some other things....for comedic value, as well as impactual value.

Ice-Cream comes in two flavors only, pork and liver.

Clothing comes in two colors only, black and dark, dark grey.

Religion comes in one accepted form only, christian or damned.

Marriage comes in one accepted form only, straight or none.

Cars come with one of two options, runs but doesn't stop, and stops but doesn't run.

Education comes in one of two choices, state mandated, or lose your child.

Taxes are voluntary, pay without question or go to jail.

Service to your country is voluntary, serve without question or go to jail.

Medicine comes in two price ranges, outrageously high, and ridiculously high.

Pants come in two sizes, one size to large, and two sizes to large.

Shoes come in two sizes, one size to small, and two sizes to small.


Kind of like voting for either Republican or Democrat. Which flavor of wrong do your prefer?


Now once again......

How is two selections a "choice", when both choices are equally corrupt, and don't really provide a "choice" of two different entities?

Both parties are pro-big government.
Both parties support the other parties mistakes, without repeal.
Both parties argue for the need for more government agencies.
Both parties support the federal bank, which is usurping your system of government.