The "global war on terror" is over

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Quote by: RickSp The "global war on terror" is over

America's War on terror is over, but World War 3 is just beginning. China and Russia are combining and growing more hostile to America. Any occupied area in the middle east could start of revolution against America, and Europe is starting to get mad at America, too. Mexico is angry at border patrol policies. Canada will follow Europe where ever it goes. North Korea has always hated America, in South Korea, recent interviews show that though the government there is allied with us, the people there hate America more than they hate North Korea. Not to mention Southern Africa is mad about not getting enough aids money and what not. The entire planet seems to hate America exept Brittain. Oh and Antarctica, they always give some support.

[lathurberk]

He was a good president, but not infallible. Nor, for that matter, is GWB. The faults of all leaders become easier to discern with the luxury of hindsight.(Except in the case of Bill Clinton, where revisionism is facilitated by the blank slate of his long sought after legacy. No doubt the remaining archival impediments to this agenda can be dealt with when Sandy Berger finds some boxer shorts with extra pockets in them.)

The majority of Jihadists in Iraq were drawn there from Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, to find common cause with the dwindling ranks of disgruntled Saddam loyalists. And despite devastating defeats at the hands of Coalition forces, they find aid and comfort in their darkest hours, through every seditious word that tumbles from the lips of Senate Democrats. The enemies of modern, western civilization draw their encouragement from disunity, and weakness, in the free world, not from from our projection of strength.

[lathurberk]

America's war on terror is not over. But it is beginning to show positive results. Recent worldwide opinion research conducted by the Pew Trust shows that favorable opinions of America have jumped up significantly throughout the world, especially in Europe and Asia.

I've been in Korea. What people think of America varies widely, depending on what demographic group they belong in. The majority of older people there have a very good opinion of the U.S. The folks who dislike America mostly belong to the University-age population, who evidently have much in common with their American peers, in that their heads are being stuffed full of socialst garbage at the hands of their foolish professors. Take a good look at the two Korea's. Which one has a vibrant, dynamic economy, and one of the highest standards of living in Asia? And which one has an oppressed population on the edge of starvation? You couldn't ask for a better example to demonstrate the perennial failure of the immoral, bloodthirsty, oppressive ideology of Socialism.

[RickSp]

Quote by: lathurberk America's war on terror is not over. But it is beginning to show positive results. Recent worldwide opinion research conducted by the Pew Trust shows that favorable opinions of America have jumped up significantly throughout the world, especially in Europe and Asia.

What completely ludicrous spin. After King George gave the world really good reasons to hate us, the recent poll suggests that in some quarters they hate us a tiny bit less.

Opposition to the U.S. government remains high in Western Europe, with a majority of French, Germans and Spaniards saying they don't trust America, they dislike President Bush, and they want to see a loosening of the trans-Atlantic alliance. Those are findings of the latest survey on global attitudes toward the United States taken by the Washington-based Pew Research Center in April and May and released last month.

Survey: Negative Views of US, Bush Still Prevail in Europe

Thsi is what you call "positive results"? What a bad joke.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: lathurberk Recent worldwide opinion research conducted by the Pew Trust shows that favorable opinions of America have jumped up significantly throughout the world, especially in Europe and Asia.

Can you cite the research?

[Sonart]

Quote by: lathurberk The faults of all leaders become easier to discern with the luxury of hindsight.(Except in the case of Bill Clinton, where revisionism is facilitated by the blank slate of his long sought after legacy.

My, how non-partisan of you...

The main difference here is that those of us on this thread... Patrick, RickSp, Nono, myself, and many others, were making the same arguement against LBDubya's and Rumsnamara's war back before it actually started.

In other words, our foresight matches our hindsight. In yet other words... We told you so!!!

Quote by: lathurberk The majority of Jihadists in Iraq were drawn there from Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt,...

Exactly our point. They weren't in Iraq when we invaded. They came to Iraq to kill Americans and prevent the creation of an American client state. We created the Iraqi mujahadeen.

Quote by: lathurberk And despite devastating defeats at the hands of Coalition forces, they find aid and comfort in their darkest hours, through every seditious word that tumbles from the lips of Senate Democrats.

Oh, yaaawn... what devastating defeats? Apparently so 'devastating' that insurgent violence is at it's highest levels ever. They find more aid and comfort in the gross negligence and incompetence with which this misadventure has been handled by LBDubya and Rumsnamara. How incredibly lame to blame the failure of a policy on the people who argued against it.

Quote by: lathurberk Recent worldwide opinion research conducted by the Pew Trust shows that favorable opinions of America have jumped up significantly throughout the world, especially in Europe and Asia.

What Patrick Henry said... I recall a Pew study that said Muslim support for Islamic terrorists had dropped way down.

However, that same report said that Islamic support for the United States had not changed and remained low, and European distrust of America had increased.

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[belverron]

Quote by: lathurberk The folks who dislike America mostly belong to the University-age population, who evidently have much in common with their American peers, in that their heads are being stuffed full of socialst garbage at the hands of their foolish professors.

So quick to condemn! Socialist, indeed! I don't happen to support that ideology, but that does not mean I believe the war with Iraq was a wise move.

Concerning the initial question, I've been saying from the beginning that they've been trying to fight an abstraction with smart bombs. And the alteration in diction hasn't changed my mind.

[northtexan]

Quote by: RickSp U.S. Officials Retool Slogan for Terror War The implications are fascinating. The rationale for the slogan change is even more intriguing. Any opinions on the slogan change?

Heard on Randi Rhodes today (on Air America Radio): "I'm reading that classic book, 'Struggle and Peace.'

[rmnunez]

I think violent extremism and terrorism are indistinguishable so the change in the slogan unimportant, I prefer the revamped acronym to its predecesor.

Meanwhile, some good news in the US-led effort to SAVE the world (though no credit to them here):

Meanwhile, Paris gets tough too:

Imams and their followers who fuel anti-western feeling among impressionable young French Muslims will be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin, most commonly in France's case to its former north African colonies. Imams indulging in inflammatory rhetoric will be expelled even if their religious status is recognised by mainstream Muslim bodies. Those who have assumed French citizenship will not be protected from deportation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Cont...c30.xml&site=5

I expect deported mullahs suspected of extremism will not be warmly welcomed in places like Algeria and Morocco.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: rmnunez I expect deported mullahs suspected of extremism will not be warmly welcomed in places like Algeria and Morocco.

Maybe by other Islamists. I bet their governments won't be too happy to see 'um.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Maybe by other Islamists. I bet their governments won't be too happy to see 'um.

Yep. That would put them firmly in the crosshairs for a democracy installation.

[nomad10]

Yeah, the funny stuff came from Clinton,..................but it didn't kill 17000 GI's.

Funny, Huh.

[Logjam]

Quote by: PatrickHenry In fact Clinton's watch had some significant successes against international terror. Bush has been unsuccessful in reducing the numbers of jihadists, and has even been responsible for creating more of them, according to CIA sources in Iraq.

Oh, baloney!

Under Clinton's watch the USS Cole was attacked, we had embassies destroyed in Africa....I can't recall all of the terrorists attacks. I guess I could do a computer search.

Also during the Clinton years the 9/11 terrorists planned and put in place their 9/11 attack.

Clinton let Ben Laden ago (they had him cornered in the Sudan). Clinton did nothing to get our allies to support us in our conflict with Iraq. The Taliban took over Afghanistan, and destroyed the ancient Budda statues there. Plus they hanged women for minor offenses and beheaded folks who took actions against them.

Clinton was a huge failure as president. Under his reign North Korea got the bomb and China got the technology to target the US with their nuke missiles. Our nuke labs were a sieve. We lose 400,000 pages of secret military technology.

[RickSp]

George Bush stood up for Republican values, balanced the budget and reformed welfare. Oh, no wait, that was Clinton.

The real difference is that when Clinton lied, nobody died.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Logjam I guess I could do a computer search

I guess you could...

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Quote by: lathurberk America's war on terror is not over. But it is beginning to show positive results. Recent worldwide opinion research conducted by the Pew Trust shows that favorable opinions of America have jumped up significantly throughout the world, especially in Europe and Asia. I've been in Korea. What people think of America varies widely, depending on what demographic group they belong in. The majority of older people there have a very good opinion of the U.S. The folks who dislike America mostly belong to the University-age population, who evidently have much in common with their American peers, in that their heads are being stuffed full of socialst garbage at the hands of their foolish professors. Take a good look at the two Korea's. Which one has a vibrant, dynamic economy, and one of the highest standards of living in Asia? And which one has an oppressed population on the edge of starvation? You couldn't ask for a better example to demonstrate the perennial failure of the immoral, bloodthirsty, oppressive ideology of Socialism.

North Korea is not socialist at all, niether was Josef Stalin, they both said they were but they really weren't at all. The only real socialist government in the world today is Cuba, which should allow free speach, but generally is doing well. Also, you said oppinions are rising of America in Europe? I live in Stockholm, Sweden and everyone I know including me hates the current government of America.

[Athena]

Sonart

Nope, Bush was busy spending 42% of his first seven months in office either at Camp David, Kennebunkport or Crawford, Texas, spending important quality time with his wife and his dog. Not until after 9/11 did Bush decide to put in action everything that Clinton's team had tried so hard to get past Republicans.

That was a most eye opening post. I may consider voting for Hillary after all.

But for the original concept of pulling away from war mentality, this is long over due. I think we have the British and Irish to thank for this step forward. When I heard the pledge that the Irish would give up voilence as the means to get what they want, I thought of the saying God, works in strange ways. What have the Brits and Irish learned in the years of violent conflict and are they now better prepared to lead the world than the US?

Surely this will discredit me in the eyes of some, but have we entered the New Age. Especially with the possibility of terrorist possessing a nuclear weapon, we need to rethink international relationships. When small bands of people are willing to take on the wars their countries will not, we need to rethink what our might can do for us, and perhaps consider how to make relationships better with the whole of humanity. I sure hope the whole of Christianity decides to be more Christ like, and lets go of the old testament war God.

[Osborn F Enready]

Clinton, Bush Jr., Bush Sr., Reagan, and the past presidents WERE ALL GUILTY.

Get off your partisan horses and admit THEY ARE ALL LIARS!

You people make me sick when you climb on top of your partisan mantra and say things like "it's all Clintons fault" or "it's all Bush's fault", it only shows your partisan stripes and your denial for admitting that NEITHER PARTY REPRESENTS ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR CORPORATE CONSTITUTENTS.

They all set us up, they all lied, and we are all sitting here in the dark still, trying to figure out the truth from the propaganda machine., scratching our heads.....while SOME OF YOU are pointing the finger saying it's ANYONE, that's not in my party.....

Guess what, I can proudly say NOBODY in MY PARTY had a DAMN THING TO DO WITH IT, since BOTH OF YOUR PARTIES HAVE EFFECTIVELY RUINED THE VOTING SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY TO PREVENT THE TRUTH FROM COMING OUT FROM MY PARTY.

Bush lied, people died.
Clinton lied, people died.
Bush Sr. lied, people died.
Reagan lied, people died.
Carter lied, people died.
Ford lied, people died.
Nixon lied, people died.
and on the history line goes...................

[Milton Bradley]

Yikes! It looks like Osborn didn't have his coffee this morning.


I have to agree with the sentiment of that post though.


It was indeed the two major parties that compromised us right out of our constitutional rights.

[RickSp]

At the beginning of this thread I commented that the implications of the language change were interesting. No one seems to have picked up on that so I might as well make a few comments.

The Bush cabal is notorious for staying "on message". The only time the "message" changes is when they have been caught in a distortion or lie. The previous time this happened it was after the WMD debacle.

The GWOT, Global War on Terror", was useful in justifying the invasion of Iraq. It was a skillful continuation of the previous lie that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Even though that lie had been repeatedly debunked, claiming that Iraq was part of the GWOT was a continuation of the lie without worrying about getting caught up by facts.

Stepping away from such an effective slogan has to suggest that the Bush folks are acknowledging that the American people are no longer buying the lie. Almost 60% of Americans say that the war in Iraq isn't "worth it." The Bushies need new terminolgy to continue their exploits. Folks are getting tired of "war" so they shift to "struggle."

I don't think the new sloganeering will sell but that remains to be seen.