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Impenitent · Feb 22, 2004, 01:41 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
proof of over riding the voters? look at san francisco... the state of california voted 2/3 to 1/3 that marriage was exclusively between a man and a woman... the vast majority of the electorate in california has spoken democratically, but lo and behold, the shining example of the liberal democRATS the mayor has been illegally marrying gay and lesbian couples... where is the outrage? where is the cry for the democratic majority?

the voters mean little to totalitarians<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

That is a matter of law and not public opinion.

Was it popular to give Blacks rights? or to allow them to marry white people?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

yes law... the mayor is breaking the law that the majority democratically enacted... the mayor is breaking the law as well as going against the majority...

yes it was popular to give rights... the popularity contest was won by the north...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

And as we speak the are changing the law. Judges have already thrown out two arguments against it because it is unconstitutional to not allow it, or at least that is how the state sees it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

no, that is how a few radical leftist judges see it...

the law will be voted upon by the people and in this case a constitutional ammendment will be required...

and if you look at the law, where is the law that says it is legal to have an abortion? what specific piece of federal legislation was that? which president signed that into existence? the abortionists got to enact law without legislation, it won't happen with gay marriage

Jackney Sneeb · Feb 22, 2004, 01:42 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
Jackney Sneeb: The US has allies? From what I've heard in the news, the whole world hates the US, and no one likes the US sending its military forces around the world to invade every country that doesn't bow to US policy.
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The US has all the allies it needs to accomplish whatever it decides to do.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Which makes it automatically right to do whatever it decides to do because
_________________________________________ ?
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
We have the resources to do it alone, if need be. The rest of the world would collapse without the US. We subsidize nearly every country in the world in one form or other, including France, Germany and Russia.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Another wonderful reason to pay taxes . . .
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
We need to carry a big stick to keep the monsters of the world from rising up and killing us or each other.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
How do you keep the monsters of the world from conning you voters into electing them to office?

--Jackney Sneeb

PS - Hint: Does "Skull and Bones Society" sound like a bunch of altruistic citizens to you?

Impenitent · Feb 22, 2004, 01:48 pm

kerry is in skull and bones too...

Jackney Sneeb · Feb 22, 2004, 01:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
proof of over riding the voters? look at san francisco... the state of california voted 2/3 to 1/3 that marriage was exclusively between a man and a woman... the vast majority of the electorate in california has spoken democratically, but lo and behold, the shining example of the liberal democRATS the mayor has been illegally marrying gay and lesbian couples... where is the outrage? where is the cry for the democratic majority?

the voters mean little to totalitarians<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

That is a matter of law and not public opinion.

Was it popular to give Blacks rights? or to allow them to marry white people?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
You have a fine habit of making my arguments for me, thank you!

Incidentally, politicians don't give rights. They do their best to restrict us -- look at the Patriot Act, for example. Remember, It was the state that upheld slavery and Jim Crow laws in the US.

--Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Maybe I have a habbit of doing so because I have some similar views as you. Not all views but some...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Which ones?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
Which is another reason why I would have an issue with the state being re-organized but I wouldn't want them out of my life as much as they could be as well, because then we wouldn't be protected from the large companies and they wouldn't be any better.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
You've never explained how the state protects you from the large companies who bribe politicians, finance their election campaigns, and collect taxes for them.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,)
If people weren't just so damn lazy and everybody voted then maybe this world would be a better place.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
We don't refuse to vote out of laziness. That's like saying people who don't go to confession, or don't get baptized are "lazy." Voting is a purely religious ritual. It doesn't alter reality, morality, or the way the state does business. Besides being a colossal waste of time, it represents hiring a tiny group of lawyers and other thugs to rob your neighbors and order us around. You have no more right to do that than anyone has to ask the Mafia to shake you down and give some of the loot to him.

If no one voted, politicians would have to give up the pretense of "majority rule," and openly admit that they maintain their power by threatening everyone with force. I'd prefer that to millions of Americans (still, the minority) demanding to be protected and given OPM (other people's money), and then bitching their damn fool heads off when the state acts like a gang of thugs!

--Jackney Sneeb

Feb 22, 2004, 01:41 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) proof of over riding the voters? look at san francisco... the state of california voted 2/3 to 1/3 that marriage was exclusively between a man and a woman... the vast majority of the electorate in california has spoken democratically, but lo and behold, the shining example of the liberal democRATS the mayor has been illegally marrying gay and lesbian couples... where is the outrage? where is the cry for the democratic majority? the voters mean little to totalitarians<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> That is a matter of law and not public opinion. Was it popular to give Blacks rights? or to allow them to marry white people?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> yes law... the mayor is breaking the law that the majority democratically enacted... the mayor is breaking the law as well as going against the majority... yes it was popular to give rights... the popularity contest was won by the north...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> And as we speak the are changing the law. Judges have already thrown out two arguments against it because it is unconstitutional to not allow it, or at least that is how the state sees it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> no, that is how a few radical leftist judges see it... the law will be voted upon by the people and in this case a constitutional ammendment will be required... and if you look at the law, where is the law that says it is legal to have an abortion? what specific piece of federal legislation was that? which president signed that into existence? the abortionists got to enact law without legislation, it won't happen with gay marriage "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 22, 2004, 01:42 pm	#42 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) Jackney Sneeb: The US has allies? From what I've heard in the news, the whole world hates the US, and no one likes the US sending its military forces around the world to invade every country that doesn't bow to US policy. ====================================================================== The US has all the allies it needs to accomplish whatever it decides to do.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Which makes it automatically right to do whatever it decides to do because _________________________________________ ? </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) We have the resources to do it alone, if need be. The rest of the world would collapse without the US. We subsidize nearly every country in the world in one form or other, including France, Germany and Russia.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Another wonderful reason to pay taxes . . . </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) We need to carry a big stick to keep the monsters of the world from rising up and killing us or each other.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> How do you keep the monsters of the world from conning you voters into electing them to office? --Jackney Sneeb PS - Hint: Does "Skull and Bones Society" sound like a bunch of altruistic citizens to you?

Feb 22, 2004, 01:48 pm	#43 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	kerry is in skull and bones too... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 22, 2004, 01:58 pm	#44 (permalink) (top)
Jackney Sneeb Igneous Magma Posts: 240	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Jackney Sneeb,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) proof of over riding the voters? look at san francisco... the state of california voted 2/3 to 1/3 that marriage was exclusively between a man and a woman... the vast majority of the electorate in california has spoken democratically, but lo and behold, the shining example of the liberal democRATS the mayor has been illegally marrying gay and lesbian couples... where is the outrage? where is the cry for the democratic majority? the voters mean little to totalitarians<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> That is a matter of law and not public opinion. Was it popular to give Blacks rights? or to allow them to marry white people?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You have a fine habit of making my arguments for me, thank you! Incidentally, politicians don't give rights. They do their best to restrict us -- look at the Patriot Act, for example. Remember, It was the state that upheld slavery and Jim Crow laws in the US. --Jackney Sneeb<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Maybe I have a habbit of doing so because I have some similar views as you. Not all views but some...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Which ones? </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) Which is another reason why I would have an issue with the state being re-organized but I wouldn't want them out of my life as much as they could be as well, because then we wouldn't be protected from the large companies and they wouldn't be any better.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You've never explained how the state protects you from the large companies who bribe politicians, finance their election campaigns, and collect taxes for them. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Evil Baby,) If people weren't just so damn lazy and everybody voted then maybe this world would be a better place.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> We don't refuse to vote out of laziness. That's like saying people who don't go to confession, or don't get baptized are "lazy." Voting is a purely religious ritual. It doesn't alter reality, morality, or the way the state does business. Besides being a colossal waste of time, it represents hiring a tiny group of lawyers and other thugs to rob your neighbors and order us around. You have no more right to do that than anyone has to ask the Mafia to shake you down and give some of the loot to him. If no one voted, politicians would have to give up the pretense of "majority rule," and openly admit that they maintain their power by threatening everyone with force. I'd prefer that to millions of Americans (still, the minority) demanding to be protected and given OPM (other people's money), and then bitching their damn fool heads off when the state acts like a gang of thugs! --Jackney Sneeb